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racole12
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posted September 09, 2010 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
< Sag Sun/Scp Venus... I am VERY aware of my actions and overly empathic. (but I have Neptune conj my Sun)

I think something else has to be added to the mix.

Violet, I'm so sorry about your situation. I can related a little bit. My dad has pulled a gun on me b/c he was angry over something not even related to me (He has a stellium and Moon in Scorpio in the 8th house and another stellium and Sun in Aquarius- all the energy is squaring each other)

BUT his Nessus is conj my Moon...

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VioletFlyer
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posted September 09, 2010 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VioletFlyer     Edit/Delete Message
OK...I got a REAL lucky break and got my Auntie on the phone who said she believes she remembers her brother's birth time, and so here is the Synastry.

You guys are awesome. This is so validating to me to be getting some insight. I've never even spoken of this to anyone except my partner.

I can knit you something nice in return! Taking requests!! How bout some fingerless mitts for Winter??!

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VioletFlyer
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posted September 09, 2010 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VioletFlyer     Edit/Delete Message
and Pluto you are so spot on. i get hung up on losers like you wouldn't believe.Doesn't matter how bad they treat me, I'm all like "I know they didn't really mean it, it's just their way" and then I keep going back for more! Virgos and Pisces men especially...
I'm with a really good guy now, but I had to fight that instinct in me to go running from him- even though I knew he would (and does) worship the ground I walk on and is a constantly happy and stable person.

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VioletFlyer
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posted September 09, 2010 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VioletFlyer     Edit/Delete Message
Racole I'm so sorry to hear about what happened to you... ((((hugs))))

This G hid in a closet and waited until I was asleep and put a pillow over my head to suffocate me. He sat on me to hold me down so I couldn't escape. I have no idea what made him stop. I have always felt like I am watched over by angels ( everyone says that right?) and even have a bit of angel "in me" so I think there was divine intervention or maybe he realized what he was doing. It was like he was possessed. When I was a little girl we were so close. I mean, he was super strict and could be violent, but we had a telepathic bond. Usually his violence was explosive, and so this was the only time it was stealthy like that. He never touched a hair on my head physically after that, though he can hurt just as badly with his words and actions. And we have never spoken about the incident.
Anyway, you and all people who experience this kind of violence have my compassion and friendship. Thank you for being willing to share your experience. It helps!

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FrozenQueen
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posted September 09, 2010 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
His Sun on your MC:
He had a major influence in how you deal with others, esp. authority. Yes, he was "THE" authority in your life, and I'm thinking, still is.

His Moon conjunct your Sun:
Considered a harmonious aspect, but the Moon is our hidden nature, the id, the unconscious that we try to hide. He sees his inner personality revealed in you. In a way, you are the embodiment of that which he cannot express and thus, represses.
Maybe, he's trying to fight his own darkness, but can't because you project it all back at him so brightly. Could be why he takes it out on you.

Your Uranus conj His Venus:
He has problem relating to you where Love is concerned. You are too unpredictable to him and he CAN'T QUITE FIGURE YOU OUT.

Your Jupiter conj. His Neptune:
Your presence seems to brighten his spirit, expanding his awareness of infinite potentials and possibilities. He is looking at the world as it could be and as he would like it to be.
Again, considered harmonious, but could also mean that You reflect to him his shortcomings, of what he could have been.

His Mars conjunct Your Mercury:
This combination can cause heated arguments where he tends to be the violent party, dominant and overbearing while you become overly critical and nit-picking.

His Mars squares your Uranus:
The more you rebel, the angrier he seems to get.

I noted He has his Natal Chiron conjunct his NN:

He is pretty spiritual, but only in talking about how he wants to achieve the great things in life and become a better person but constantly returns to doing things as he has always done them. He may often seem to be on the verge of taking the big step forward, only to revert to the prior line of least resistance i.e, his old ways. Have you seen this play out?

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VioletFlyer
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posted September 09, 2010 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VioletFlyer     Edit/Delete Message
OMG FrozenQueen this is SPOT ON. Yep, he's a very "religious" man. Sunday School teacher, Church Deacon, but it's all about wanting to earn that place of glory in heaven. I heard him say many times that he will accept what people think about him on Earth because he KNOWS he will sit at the right hand of God in heaven. He'll START to approach life in a more meaningful way, say things that make me think he's changing, but then fall back on the same dogma.
Yeah, he is THE authority figure in my life...though I'm working really hard at being my own. I can't explain it, but if you have a father like this, it is VERY hard not to bend to their demands. My only way to escape it was to flat out defy him and leave his hemisphere.
The more I defied him, the angrier and more explosive he becomes. Even now, when as an adult I've tried to confront him on his rage, he retreats in seething anger and lashes out with hurtful remarks (but cries too. he is a passionate man).
Yep, he says he sees the fuller expression of himself in me. He has always wanted to travel, but never did. I travel all over the world and have a very rich spiritual and creative life. He both admires this but also just doesn't understand why I do it. I mean, it's not for family, it's for ME. He has held himself in terrible situations because he believes his responsibility to God and family cannot EVER be broken. Whereas I'm like "hey, if it no longer makes you happy...move on!"
He has chilled out over the years, but that inner anger is still there. He's one of those "quiet ragers" who will then explode with no warning.

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VioletFlyer
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posted September 09, 2010 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VioletFlyer     Edit/Delete Message
----Your Jupiter conj. His Neptune:
Your presence seems to brighten his spirit, expanding his awareness of infinite potentials and possibilities. He is looking at the world as it could be and as he would like it to be.
Again, considered harmonious, but could also mean that You reflect to him his shortcomings, of what he could have been.-----

Yes, I am the person who brings him the most joy, and also the most pain. It is the guilt of being the bringer of both joy and pain that I feel that can at times keep me attached to him emotionally when I shouldn't. I really pity him. He had a LOT of potential, but a lot of it has been wasted because of his dogmatism and inflexibility.

He wanted the perfect family/life with the white picket fence, and he was unable to accept and adapt when that didn't happen. terrorized us all with his own anger at the inability to control what he thought he should have gotten from life!

Interestingly, I am the ONLY person, in his entire life (and I mean everyone) who defies him. I guess because I know that when he tried to kill me, my spirit was stronger, and so I will defy him.

Did I mention he's a psychologist???!

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FrozenQueen
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posted September 09, 2010 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Violet.

Good to know I could help you in understanding your relationship together, even if it's just a little bit.

I'll get back with you about other aspects

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iQ
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posted October 28, 2010 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Missed out on this thread.
VioletFlyer's dad's Nessus quincunxes her Saturn exact. Had it been a square, things would have gotten even more ugly and dangerous.
His Nessus probably opposes his Moon with a tighter orb. The man has a Psychopath signature, he has not been able to tackle the Mars square Chiron and Neptune squaring Nodes combination affliction, especially because the Scorpio Moon thirsted for more control over his Scorpio daughter.

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FrozenQueen
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posted October 28, 2010 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Violet...long time! It's been like, well almost 6 weeks so I apologise for not writing back ASAP.

I finally got my lazy arse to make updated synastry and composite charts of you and your father with certain asteroids relevant to the question.

SYNASTRY:

COMPOSITE:

Hmm, I can already see a lot of stuff. Will write back on it in some time

P.S. Hey iQ! What do you say?

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अस्तो मा सद् गमय |
तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय |
मृत्योन् मा अमृतं गमय् ||
ॐ शांति शांति शांति

From the unreal, lead me to the real,
From the darkness, lead me to light,
From death and destruction, lead me to immortality.
Peace. Peace. Peace.

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iQ
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posted October 28, 2010 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
The man reeks of being an illuminati slave, hell bent on performing a ritual sacrifice to please his "demons". Inner or Outer or both.
Look at his Venus, Kaali, Anubis, Siva all in a Scorpio Stellium.
Now that is great news for a conscientious psychic but terrible for a Neptune square Node and afflicted Mars creep.
David Icke would say "Aha!".

Composite KAALI conjunct Ascendant. He goofed up a long planned ritual sacrifice. Violet's Higher Self must have intervened. For one of her, many are lost. The Elite's greatest secret, worse than their 50-50 hybrid origins, is the way they ritually abuse their firstborns, that their children become demons as they are.

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FrozenQueen
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posted October 28, 2010 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
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For one of her, many are lost

Just curious as to what that means. Please elaborate.

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अस्तो मा सद् गमय |
तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय |
मृत्योन् मा अमृतं गमय् ||
ॐ शांति शांति शांति

From the unreal, lead me to the real,
From the darkness, lead me to light,
From death and destruction, lead me to immortality.
Peace. Peace. Peace.

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iQ
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posted October 28, 2010 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Will elaborate later in another thread Frozenqueen, am still collecting data.
Moon, Mars, Nodes, Saturn and Neptune. Their exact harsh aspects tell sordid tales, especially when you bring in NESSUS, SIVA, KAALI, ANUBIS, LUCIFER and RUDRA.

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