posted September 09, 2010 05:49 PM         

How that energy manifests is something personal, but I don't think we will have a choice in the matter, because that choice is already our reality. The planets are interesting, it takes a lttle meditation to understand what I'm getting at.

I can say that from having Natal Venus Rx, I am very passionate in my relationships and picky. Growing up I was always waiting for someone and I always knew I would meet him, and I did.

posted September 09, 2010 06:06 PM         

Interesting stuff
thanks for sharing

When goes Venus retrograde in 13'14 Scorpio on October 10th, It will be conjunct my current Solar Return Ascendant in 13'23 Scorpio

When it returns to the same position on December 20th after it goes direct, it will be conjunct my next Solar Return Moon in 12'54 Scorpio in 9th house which already contains the Sun-retrograde Venus cazimi.
It seems to repeat the theme.

Transits work with Solar Return charts, but it's mainly the fast moving planets in conjunction to the planets and angles.

I couldn't noticing my Juno Return in 26'26 Virgo is the day before.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 09, 2010 06:29 PM         

I checked the geocentric nodes of Venus at the time Venus goes retrograde. It's very relevant for it has to do with the orbit of Venus.
All objects have nodes. It's not just the moon that has nodes. Nodes are just the intersection of 2 orbital planes. Just imagine 2 rings that interlock with each other. The high point of where the 2 rings intersect is the North Node, and the low point of where the 2 rings intersect is the South Node

The Geocentric North Node of Venus could represent the present karmic connections,associations involving matters ruled by Venus
The Geocentric South Node of Venus could represent the past karmic connections,associations involving matters ruled by Venus

The Geocentric North Venus Node in '58 Virgo
no significant aspects to it

The Geocentric South Venus Node in 10'25 Scorpio
no significant aspects to it

Raymond

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posted September 09, 2010 07:08 PM         

I remember that in 2002, I was obese. I was the heaviest I have ever been. I lost all that weight by exercising (dancing) and by eating a low carb diet and I disappeared from the world to do this. When I reappeared to the public, people thought that I had had plastic surgery of sorts. My looks changed dramatically. Since then I have tried to maintain my weight to a healthy place but I gained a few due to being unwell the past few months, and probably due to meds and laziness.

The point is, I know the same thing is going to occur this time around because I am already on a program. This time I am not trying to lose half my body's size, but I am trying to look healthy, fit, firm and filled with vitality.

posted September 09, 2010 07:09 PM         

Geocentric means Earth-Centered

Geocentric Nodes are Nodes in relation to Earth.

The following is from Theodor Landscheidt who introduced Geocentric Planetary Nodes in Astrology:

"The points of intersection of the Moon’s orbit and the plane of the ecliptic — the Moon’s nodes — were already taken into account in Hellenic horoscopes. Today, they are regarded as essential elements of interpretation; there is no modem ephemeris that does not list them. This should be a cause for astonishment, as the Moon’s nodes are mathematical points that, in contrast to the Sun, the Moon and the planets, are void of space-filling substance. Yet, this immaterial quality is not exceptional in astrology. Like the Moon’s nodes, the Ascendant, Midheaven and house cusps, these outstanding individual factors in interpretation, are immaterial intersection points; they can only be defined by mathematical methods. The astrological expert, applying her or his knowledge, does not even wonder that aspects between such immaterial points and material astronomical bodies are effective."

"Thus, it seems paradoxical and inconsistent that the points of intersection of the ecliptic and the orbits of the planets, the geocentric nodes, were not taken into account in astrology. This is why I presented a groundbreaking paper, The Importance of Geocentric Planetary Nodes at a 1965 conference in Aalen, Germany, (Landscheidt, 1966). When I presented a workshop at the 1971 International Astrological Congress in Aalen, I again spread the news about geocentric planetary nodes. Dr. Zipporah Dobyns, who was present, was in resonance with the message. In 1972, she published her Node Book with ephemerides covering the years 1971 to 1974, computed by Mark Pottenger. My own computer program, which has been available to the public for decades, covers the period 1600 to 2100."

Here is something from Zipporah Dobyn's book, The Node Book.

"The geocentric north and south nodes of the inner planets, Mercury and
Venus, may appear in any zodiacal sign. The nodes of Mercury can range
from a conjunction when they are lined up with the Sun twice a year at
17 degrees of Taurus and Scorpio, on the north and south heliocentric
nodes, to a maximum separation of about 45 degrees. The Venus Nodes
similarly line up with the Sun at 16 degrees of Gemini and
Sagittarius,on the heliocentric positions, and their maximum
separation is about a quintile of 72 degrees. The geocentric nodes of
Mars range from about 7 Aries to 2 Cancer for the north node and about
8 Libra to 29 Sagittarius for the south node. As the distance from the
Sun increases, the viewpoints of Sun and Earth converge so that the
geocentric nodes remain within smaller arcs until with Pluto, there is
little difference between the geocentric and the heliocentric
positions. "

"Testing so far has been focused on the natal positions of the nodes,watching for ways in which they indicate personality factors,but evidence is accumulating to support the value of progressed aspects,and transits touching natal nodes,and of progressed positions of the nodes. There is also evidence for the importance of aspects between the nodes of one individual and the planets,angles,or other features in the charts of other people in his/her life. In some cases, the geocentric positions of the nodes of Venus and Mars have helped to explain strong attractions and frictions between two individuals: Uranus may show a galvanizing effect, Saturn may indicate a sense of pressure debt."

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 09, 2010 07:29 PM         

It will conjunct the following midpoints during its retrograde period

Ceres/Node in 12'13 Scorpio
Sun/Mercury in 11'50 Scorpio
Jupiter/Uranus in 11'47 Scorpio
Uranus/Neptune in 8'32 Scorpio
Jupiter/Pluto in 4'33 Scorpio
Venus/Uranus in 3'22 Scorpio
Mercury/Uranus in 1'49 Scorpio which transiting Venus is currently conjuncting
Neptune/Pluto in 1'19 Scorpio which transiting Venus is currently conjuncting

My Geocentric South Mars Node is in 13'52 Scorpio, and transiting Venus will be already conjunct that before it goes retrograde

It will also sextile/trine my Ascendant/Descendant in 13'26 Virgo/Pisces

Then will go conjunct my Geocentric South Mercury Node in 9'17 Scorpio, my Ixion (transneptunian dwarf planet candidate) in 5'25 Scorpio, my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio, trine my Moon in 3'10 Pisces, conjunct my Quaoar (transneptunian dwarf planet candidate) in 2'22 Scorpio, oppose my retrograde Sedna (transneptunian dwarf planet candidate) in 2'06 Taurus, and sextile my Geocentric North Mercury Node in 29'36 Libra.

I like your alternative positive perspective on retrograde Venus, Unmoved.

I even think retrograde Venus could be great for love,relationships if you focus on the inner beauty of the person instead of the outer beauty of the person.

A lot of people get caught up in the outer beauty of a person, and they ended up getting screwed over.

Give me a girl next door with a great heart instead of a beauty queen who acts like a diva. hahahahahaa

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 09, 2010 10:46 PM         

Thanks for starting this thread. It really got me realizing some things like how retrograde Venus doesn't rule out romantic,love opportunities and can even indicate that they can be numerous but can present lessons in regards to things that really matter in life as well as being torn between focusing on outer beauty or inner beauty.

During that Solar Return, I changed my taste in music from Hip Hop to House,Techno,and Dance.
I actually dancing a lot more to House,Techno. I started getting interested in Rave culture. I didn't do the the drugs though. It was one of the 3 women that got me curious about the Rave stuff. I met a girl that was into the Rave stuff too.

interestingly, retrograde Mercury in Libra in 7th square Uranus-Neptune in Capricorn in 10th

I felt the conflict about wanting a relationship and being in the navy
Of course, it fit with my new interest in techno and other type of music.

I think that I actually was more sociable during that solar return period. I enjoyed showing off, dancing on stage in the nightclubs more

I got out of the navy the first time during that Solar Return period, but I went back in 9 months later because of hard time getting employment. Man...I remembered I had joined a company that specialized in selling knock-off fragrances. Could that be the retrograde Venus. I got a girl's phone number during my time. I broke a bottle of the fragance when I met her. hahahaha How was that for retrograde Venus. I didn't sell her a fragrance,but I got her phone number. Nothing came of it. I became a member of Telepersonals,and I met some gals from there.

I was really clubbing too.

The retrograde Venus in 13'13 Scorpio
square the conjunction of Ceres in 12'18 Leo and Mars in 12'56 Leo. For awhile, I thought I got one of the 3 women pregnant. She was 11 years older than me,and she lied about 3 years older than me. She was already involved with another guy.

HOLY COW...I just realized that the upcoming retrograde Venus station is going to be in the same degree,minute position as my Solar Return retrograde Venus during the 1994 Solar Return chart!

HOLY COW!

In my next upcoming Solar Return chart, I am going to have retrograde Venus in 9th sextile Ceres-Pluto-North Lunar Node in 11th and trine South Lunar Node in 5th.

hmmmmmmm

Maybe it means that I have an opportunity to have a love relationship that involves becoming a nurturer like having a child. Venus trines the South Lunar Node in 5th

I checked the standard 45 asteroids in Solar Fire which tend to show significant thems.

conjunction of
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 9th
Venus in 5'36 Scorpio R in 9th

conjunct Panacea in 3'57 Scorpio in 9th - belief in what it takes to fix the problem,remedies,cures
conjunct Lilith in 3'32 Scorpio in 9th - social justice,equal rights,women's rights
oppose Tisiphone in 7'12 Taurus R in 3rd - named after one of the Furies in Greek mythology - she punished crimes of murder, furious and cruel guardian of Tartarus - it seems like it could be about retribution
trine Hera in 5'43 Pisces in 1st - committed relationships,marriage,partnerships
square Isis in 3'00 Leo in 6th/7th - putting things together,deals with recovery and making things whole
square Cupido in 7'01 Aquarius in 1st - love
sextile Ceres in 5'50 Capricorn in 11th - nurturing,mother,reproduction
sextile Eurydike in 6'56 Capricorn - not dwelling on the past,not looking back and moving forward

It looks like the opportunity of romantic,love relationship leading to marriage

but it could also be caught in the dilemma and needing to choose

I am not going to make the same mistake as I did when I was 23 years old.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 09, 2010 11:09 PM         

I believe that if we worry about it and focus so much on negative possibilities, then it become self fulfilling prophecy.

I think that a lot of so-called bad astrology stuff correlates with self-fulfilling prophecies.

Heck..people talk about the Law of Attraction. I don't see why that can't be applied to Astrology.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 09, 2010 11:51 PM         

Venus Stationary Retrograde in 11th House
Taking things (and people) for granted can be an easy slip-up during this period. Longstanding friends and situations should not be allowed to become simply a backdrop, but rather reinvigorated, separating the wheat from the chaff. That also means not allowing yourself to become backstage to others who may have forgotten your importance, so it may be a good time to sort things out. Problems most likely come from individuals (yourself included) thinking more about personal ends than personal friends. It's time to get personal again and play it like you mean it -- a sure recipe for heart and hand alike.

Venus Stationary Retrograde in 10th House
What you would like others to think about you can become a focus in this period. What is your reputation worth -- and, in fact, what is your reputation, anyway? The surest way to attain success is to define it well to begin with -- you can't get what you want if you don't know what it is. You may discover that what you are worried about not attaining is actually not what you want to attain in the first place, clearing the decks for real personal success. In the end, willingly redefining goals and clarifying expectations can make this a time that will both bring forth fruit and plant the seeds for another crop.

posted September 09, 2010 11:58 PM         

I'd like to see what Venus retrograde in 9th say.

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posted September 10, 2010 09:50 AM         

My step-daughter, who I've been having a lot of problems with and has a moon in Scorpio square Venus just got caught out today on a big fat ring of lies that have been going on for a long time unbeknownst to anyone. A lot of her relationships (me, her dad, mom, sister) all found out about her lies today and all of her relationships have just blown up in her face. I feel for her, because she is going through the hell of being "caught out" right now, but wow it was all pretty explosive!

posted September 10, 2010 10:16 AM         

Hopefully, not too much drama for me, or anyone else for that matter. Natally I have:

Venus as my chart ruler
Pluto & Anti-Vertex at 6° Scorpio
SN at 8° Scorpio oppose Sedna at 8° Taurus, & Aura at 9° Taurus
Adonis at 10° Scorpio, & Angel at 12° Scorpio squaring Jupiter 12° Aqua
Eros at 14° Scorpio
Juno, Sappho, Ixion, Quaoar at 19° Scorpio
Venus at 28° Scorpio in 2nd house

As for midpoints:

Sun/Mars at 16° Scorpio
Sun/Pluto at 23° Scorpio
Venus/Asc at 6° Scorpio
Venus/Mars at 10° Scorpio
Venus/Pluto at 17° Scorpio
Mars/Saturn at 11° Scorpio
Mars/Uranus at 19° Scorpio
Mars/Neptune at 27° Scorpio
Neptune/Asc at 23° Scorpio

posted September 10, 2010 10:41 AM         

Funnily enough I just got 3 big payouts in the last week which seems to coincide the same as that year. Venus being retro did make me go back to an ex. I was very happy. Right now I am in the middle of getting rid of Ferdi for the millionth time. I don't intend on going back to any of my exes.

posted September 10, 2010 10:44 AM         

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I like your alternative positive perspective on retrograde Venus, Unmoved.

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posted September 10, 2010 10:57 AM         

This thread helped me revisited my past, and helped me realize the wrong choices and wrong actions that I made which made my retrograde Venus Solar Return in 1994 a bad one. I had opportunities for love relationship with Bridget, but I messed it up because I wanted to rekindle something with Amy who was bad for me and ended up dumping for the second time. Then when I tried to see if I could have another chance with Bridget, she already had a boyfriend.
I was feeling resentful towards Amy.

It was my fault because I made the wrong choices and actions. I wanted to end things with Michelle because I felt that Bridget was a better match for me. Michelle was 11 years older than me,and she wasn't truthful about her age. I am glad that I didn't get her pregnant which I had feared. Bridget was a year older than me. I called Amy up while I was out at sea, and she wanted to get back together with me. Shortly after, I received a letter from Bridget. If only I gotten her letter earlier, things would have been different.

There were beneficial opportunities during retrograde Venus that I had, but I didn't take advantage of them. I made the wrong choices and actions,and I paid dearly in a bad way. I missed out on a possible good romantic relationship with the "girl next door" with a gal who told me she would help me with my homework after I told her that I thought about going back to college for "beauty queen" that I had a lot of passion,intensity with.

I was 23 at the time. I am almost 39 now. I believe that I won't make the same mistakes again. I am older and wiser now. I am a lot more into spirituality now in contrast that I was more into clubbing,having fun (wanting to make up for a sheltered,unfun teenage years),and trying to fit in with my fellow navy sailors.
Now I just try to be myself. I am no longer in the closet about my special ed past and I am not in denial of my ultrasensitivity. I have a much better understanding of myself because of Astrology,Numerology,and reading about neurodivergent conditions. That was something that I didn't have when I made those wrong choices when I was 23 years old.

I can't blame retrograde Venus for the bad love,romantic stuff that happened to me.
I blame myself. I am responsible for my own actions.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.