posted September 10, 2010 06:54 AM         

i probably might have already looked a thousand times to joHN´S CHART.in several ways,through several matters.

Since i started studying by myself,and here in LL,i learned so much,and keep doing so,more and more.

But now,im looking at it,from a perspective that scares me.

He is strongly wanting to quit everything:his job.
im afraid he is getting into a depression,he doenst want to go out anymore,he gets locked at home and only says bad things about Humanity in general.

It is not only this overall Crisis that we´re passing through,I sense in him a deep,profound pain that has been widespreading to all his spheres in Life.

He is not victimizing himself,he is really feeling that bad and not having any Faith or Hope of happiness in his Future.

He also says that he is alone in the world and that he is going to die young.and that he keeps working for nothing.that no matter how hard he tries,he wont have anything that he dreamt for his Life.

And he says many more things.

he doenst sleep and he is not feeding himself good also.I think that he has health problems too and he doesnt want to go to the doctor.

Im a Virgo and unfortunately im not making this up.this is all REAL TO HIM AND i dont know what else to do.he doenst believe that he is doing bad to himself by believing in this stuff.

he really really thinks that there is no thing to live for in this moment..

there is Me in his life,but as im away he says that he is alone the same way..his family doenst support him or gives the love he needs too..

I could choose to be hurt by somethings he said and i am,but for him to say those i know he is in severe pain and what matters more to me now is to know what do you see.

If you see that he is gonna get out of this sson.or in the meantime or anything good btw.

posted September 10, 2010 07:40 AM         

Saturn is asking him to look at his life. This is from Cafeastrology:

When Saturn transits conjunct the Sun, our level of maturity, realism, and responsibility come up for inspection. The goals we have set for ourselves, as well as our very character, are now re-evaluated for strength and purpose, and tested against reality. Saturn has a way of slowing down our life, as if it is forcing us to take a really good look at it. Because the Sun rules our vitality, we may feel that our energy is somewhat depleted. We begin to feel our age, and the pressures that may go along with it. We may feel alone and un-parented or unsupported. We may be assessing our achievements to date, and we are extremely sensitive to whether or not we have been recognized on a professional level as well as on a personal level. Whether our talents and abilities, and our unique individuality and character, are recognized by others becomes especially important to us. We tend to be self-critical and/or we feel that others do not support or recognize us enough. This process is necessary, as we are learning to see ourselves more realistically—without rose-colored glasses�so that we can move forward with a stronger sense of purpose. This may be a time when we cut out projects or possibly relationships that are no longer working for us, or that have been built on weak foundations. We are essentially conserving our energy for those things that do work for us, and we work on building and strengthening them.

posted September 10, 2010 07:48 AM         

that description fits so well on the things he told me.

i also had that transit awhile ago but somehow i didnt felt it as strongly as John,or as you felt the Moon´s aspect ( btw im sorry that you have suffered all that much in that time).

posted September 10, 2010 10:15 AM         

all the other planets do their transiting .. under .. transiting pluto ..

here's what they do whilst pluto is getting to the point .. at ..
nov 8th 2011 .. the time when t.Pluto has finaly passed the square to his Sun ..
( it will be exact on that day .. then slowly move on )

the chart pic below : ..
inside planets .. now .. sept. 10th '10 ..
outside planets .. nov 8th 2011

compare .. or see in connection to his chart .. how each one has moved on
( and what they might aspect within the timespan )
e.g. t.Chiron has moved on .. but t.Nept is still hanging about ..
( t.chiron .. potential emotional pain .. t.nept potential for feeling 'lost' )
bear in mind .. any transit that hits natal Sun is normaly felt bigtime ..
so .. t.Saturn moves on .. but t.Pluto be about ..

posted September 10, 2010 02:44 PM         

thank you im gnna see the times.

Quinnie

thankx but im afraid he chooses the other way around,the one that makes him suffer!

but im deeply worried.today john took his boss´s neck and held him against the wall saying if he will be at his path again,in a negative way,he will cut his leggs.like beating him one night.

he told me if his boss took his last 5 days of his holidays he will beat him till knockin him out.next sunday.

i dont kno what is happening.im scared...he is not violent and he is destroying his life and our Dreams together.

i cannot cope with this,even if he is suffering...violence is not they way.

this is not the JOnnhy i know.and i told him this and he is saying i should be happy cause he is defending our future?

posted September 10, 2010 03:18 PM         

but the worst thing is that he is wanting to do that to his boss cause he believes it is the boss fault.his boss is really a bad person,doing everything to John leave,but my worryings come from the fact that he is wanting that violence.he is wanting revenge for what he is feeling.

he says he is working for nothing,that all around him has happiness adn money because they are boss´s friends and that he has nothing and never will have,cause the country is in crisis and doenst have place for him to have a job.where he can be appreciated.

posted September 10, 2010 04:52 PM         

ive sent him the transit of saturn,and sometimes yes i do show him the transits in order for him to know whats going on.

but right now he doesnt listen or see wha tim saying.i told him that he must change his reactions to the person,cause he is only gettin things worse,everytime he gives importance to that person.im even reading books that say that we should not reinforce other´s behaviour by re-acting,and we must just let it flow and not feed other´s energy.

i told him all that...but he is angry with me saying i dont understand what he is passing through.

posted September 10, 2010 05:07 PM         

He will have an eclipse, a lunar, in dec. in his 12th. Those two houses, 6th/12th are being highlighted and will be for awhile. His third house is being hit and will be for awhile. 3rd house rules the mind. Pluto is squaring those planets from the 6th and will for awhile.

He also had eclipses on his AC/DC and a bunch more in his 12th/6th, which get activated every time a planet touches those points, which just happened.

He's also having a reverse nodal return with the 12th/6th houses again. The reverse nodal is harder and more karmic than the regular nodal return.

This won't just go away. He needs help. Things will come to a head, for better or for worse, at the eclipse.

You need to be understanding, and since he's an aries, you need to agree with him about his enemies. But you can't agree with the revenge. A fine line. Maybe if you can make him see that getting violent will tear you apart, because he'll be in jail, maybe he will listen.

You can't force him to get help. I don't think you can handle this on your own. This is a very touchy and difficult situation. I wish I had more advice.

posted September 10, 2010 05:18 PM         

that is really worrisome.
The readiness for violence.

I agree with Diana`s suggestions for the "course of action" though.

Also, maybe, Spiritual and astrological things are YOUR language, but maybe you need to translate it into HIS language?
Not in the form of transit lists, but since YOU know how his transits are, you can have an eye on the alarming developments and compassionately and gently point them out to him?
But still giving him the feeling that you are STILL absolutely standing beside him?

posted September 10, 2010 05:43 PM         

I forgot to add that the 12th is also the house of jail, so if he does do something violent he will most definitely go to jail.

posted September 10, 2010 05:57 PM         

Diana

so it wont go away...it is not a short thing about mars then...well that puts things in perspective.
im even more worried now - ive been understanding but i dont see how i can help!i dont see what is the meaning of this,where and what is the lesson here.

this is karmic and he must deal with it but it would ease if i knew why he is passing through this:the spiritual meaning perhaps?

i cannot force him not to do what he wants.he is already mad with me because i didnt supported him in this revenge need.

how could I?his boss is an enemy ok-he knows that i know that but! Violence is not the way to deal with people nor with anything.the more i talk and say he must calm down and not act by impulse,the more he says i dont understand his situation.

im scared cause i see the word jail and the boss is a very powerful man too!he is friend with the prime minister of my country !that is why he is there,because he has friends! and now John is saying these things and saying monday is the Day!

Quinnie

you´re having very hard and tough transits then..the thing is i didnt told this to my family because i dont want them to think bad of Johhny,or that he is not good for me,because of this violence thing.

his family are only his parents and a bad brother,i could maybe tell his Mom,but dont know what she can do.

posted September 10, 2010 06:42 PM         

I was told that when they are trying to get your attention, they throw small, subtle hints at you. If you continue to ignore guidance, they essentially "turn up the heat", and the lesson becomes more difficult. If all of these situations haven't helped him to see the situation more clearly, then his Saturn Return will surely get his attention about where he wants to be, and what he wants for his life. And I know it's difficult for you to stand by and watch someone you love suffer through a difficult trial/lesson.

This is a portion of Mars Conjunct Pluto from Robert Hand, "Planets in Transit":

With this transit you will be tempted to take over and run whatever is happening around you. This transit is a strong stimulus to any kind of ambition, but the danger is that its energy can be rather violent and disruptive. It represents a ruthless burst of ego energy that does not take kindly to limitation. And it is not only that you will try to have power over others, but that you may also be the victim of someone else’s power play. In cases of violent assault, this or a similar transit usually occurs in both the victim’s and the assailants charts. But this is not a typical occurrence with this transit. One indication is not enough to account for an incident of violence, and you needn’t anticipate it. However, it gives you some idea of the strength of these energies. You should be warned, though, to avoid dangerous neighborhoods during the few days of this transit is in effect.

There is danger now of severe ego conflicts, of which violent assault is an extreme example. Your strong energies attract people who have similar energies, and before you know it, you may have quite a power struggle on your hands.

posted September 12, 2010 08:16 AM         

Quinnie

yesterday i called his Mom but imagine who answered her mobile?John!!!! i immediately knew it was a sign and he asked what was i doing calling his Mom,once its unusuall for me.i invented something and when i hears his Mom´s voice i just lost courage and he was there listening....

She is a kind and nice woman and i knew that even if i told her,she would be extremelly disapointed with John,and John would turn against me for telling his Mom ( he is a cancer asc dont forget)so he would see my action as something against me,and thinking i was doing things behind his back.

yesterday i didnt knew what to do - he doesltn call me or send me sms.he is waiting for me to call and say sorry...me!

he doesnt see what he is doing.he thinks im not there for him cause i dont support his actions.

VIG

yes i know-we attract the energies we project. and he has been acting like a victim of the System,therefore his Boss will always be there,acting like the bully.

i kind of figured something like what you´re saying: his Higher Self/Angels are showing him that the way he is directing his life,he will always be like he is now:unhappy,angry,not wanting to live in this world...those things that are happening are signs for him to see where he is now,where he is stepping and what changes he must do to live in accordance to what we all came here for: to live in harmony,abundance and happiness.

all this time,since ive been into this spiritual path,ive been also throwing hints at JOhnny,trying to indirectly show him that if he is not fullfilled now,that he must change within,work from within and trust/have Faith.

i think that he lacks Faith most of all:all his life has been traumatic from an emotional/Family experience..deep inside he doesn't believe he is worth of happiness.

he looks around him and sees:disonhest colleagues with their families beside them,gaining much more than him and doing "shi +t" or people like his Boss,acting evillessly and getting out of it cause he has the right friends in the Company.

he has been sending cv+s to where i live,but JOhn believes in the Crisis Event,and has only been receiving proposals that arent good.so the external has been supporting what he thinks/Feels: that he is not worth of opportunities for his happiness.

i was told by my sister ( she puts cards) that she saw health problems in JPhn,not that bad,but worth a check-up.she also saw a promotion of some way,and change of residence for both of us.

kind of goes the way you told me,months ago,remember?

Somehow,these events must be related:maybe he will turn around,make the change he must?

posted September 12, 2010 08:45 AM         

I'm saying this just because you may not realize that this is THE BIG TEST for your relationship. Don't judge him for the violence (show him - by your behavior - violence is the LAST step but really don't judge him because of it!!).
If you're really against violence, it should mean that you CARE about HIM and what the consequences will be for HIM, not about the Violence itself (I don't know how to explain this in another way but I just get the feeling that it's more the violence itself worrying you, instead of HIM)
Try to see EVERY possible solution - talk with his boss/ write him a letter regarding these 5 days holiday for instance etc!! - and really, simply the fact that you stand NEXT to him will mean SO much to him, probably It'll even decline his hate and anger because right now, he feels the WHOLE WORLD is against him!!