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Topic: Narcissism?
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hikoro
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posted September 15, 2010 02:03 AM
  
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Lonake
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posted September 15, 2010 02:51 AM
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Ami Anne
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posted September 15, 2010 04:45 AM
Thank Goodness, mutable would not be a Narcissist.
My mother, the therapist ,diagnosed me with everything so I like to eliminate a few when I can  ------------------
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DiandraReborn25
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posted September 15, 2010 06:20 AM
hi Hikorolet me say another thing:that same person of the chart i posted,awhile ago i posted on the sociopaths thread,and it is very possible that he has something there too. i would surely try to get the birth time cause without it it wont be that accurate. about the chart you posted: his moon cj kiron:shows probably some traumatic event with a mother figure perhaps?it skuares saturn and opose uranus so he wont be a stable guy or someone that you can trust your feelings lightly...on what concerns to emotional life. saturn placed cancer 4th,suqare sun/mars  uch...hmm could it be that he had an earlier upbringing that somehow limited himself,or was too demanding for him?a father or mother figure and that is why he doesnt concern for others now? i wont be messing with him really...i m not liking his aspects at all! and with that pluto/sun/mars cj in the 7th....yup he is very similar to the guy i posted about: a messy guy,full of himself,who lives through manipulation and control over others,specially through relationships in general. receives squares from saturn so the lord of karma wont be gentle either with him oneday. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted September 15, 2010 11:11 AM
He's got Pluto in Libra conjunct Venus (wide orb, though) and also conjunt Mars...I'd say those are signals that he's prepared to end relationships abruptly, coldly, and permanently like pluto energy does... With no regards to "feelings". IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted September 15, 2010 11:16 AM
Hikoro,With so many Pluto influences, and Saturn squares, I'd just stay far, far away... This is a power-driven individual, running from base ego places... people like that think in black and white terms, and only consider the opportunities that life and other people present to them, not the actual emotional benefits to developing real relationships. IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted September 15, 2010 11:48 AM
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hikoro
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posted September 15, 2010 01:19 PM
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PlutoSquared
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posted September 15, 2010 03:03 PM
Hikoro,I understand completely what you're going through. I feel the way you do, often... as my ex was a sociopath. I have no simple advice, because I still suffer from contact with a person like that. Thankfully, over time, I have softened and moved on, without any special effort. Time just slowly washes things away. All I can say is that: YOU WON. You are the winner of the biggest lottery, and you have no idea. This person leaving your life, no matter how much he took or caused you to suffer, was the biggest gift you could ever get. You won your ability to live your life without pure evil inside of it... Just learn the type and avoid them like the plague, they have distinct signals, and I'm sure you can pick them out, now  IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted September 15, 2010 03:08 PM
"It's better to have loved and to have lost, than to spend the rest of your life with the psycho..."IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 15, 2010 03:11 PM
My stepfather had Sun and Mercury in Leo. He might have had Moon in Leo too.He acted egotistical, but he was very insecure. He put my mom down and didn't want her to be successful in any way.
He was born on August 4, 1929
August 4th is when Sun and Earth are aligned with Geocentric and Heliocentric Neptune Nodes which are collective Neptune energies
President Barack Obama has the same birthday, and so he has the same Sun-Earth-Neptune Nodes, and there are people that think that he's a Narcissist
Raymond
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hikoro
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posted September 16, 2010 03:29 AM
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PlutoSquared
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posted September 16, 2010 10:51 AM
Hikoro,Out of all the things that you can lose in a relationship, the worst thing is your loss of control.... I imagine that's a multiplied loss for a scorpio. So, I don't agree with you being driven nuts by your scorpio influences - it's natural for you to hold onto people and events, considering your intense bonds and emotional connections. IP: Logged |
Cheshire Kat
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posted September 17, 2010 01:37 AM
For awhile, I use to think that I was Narcissist, but then I realise I question too much.My Sag uncle though he is a true blue narcissist, he would preach the Lord's words and love and then act completely opposite i.e abuse people and one incident was with my grandmother and we had to explain to her why she needed a to get a retraining order against him and finally she did.. ..Then the s.o.b wrote a victimizing letter saying how the family was getting in the way of HIS plans to fix his life and that she should lift the restraining order..wow..just wow.. The guy is in his late 40's and he has been mooching and abusing my grandmother for awhile now..and when he doesn't get his way he throws a tantruam like a adolescent boy and blames everyone else.. He even had the nerve to say my grandmother was the one who "started it".. I hope to post up his chart soon when I find his birthtime.. IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon
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posted June 27, 2014 10:17 AM
Is there anything in this chart that would show this person is a narcissist? I'm sorry I dont have an accurate birth time so angles aren't accurate and I can't be sure if Moon is in Cap or Aqua....thanks![URL=http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/KarmicMoon13/media/imagejpg1_zps716b4463.jpg.html]  IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon
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posted June 27, 2014 11:40 AM
Is there anything in this chart that shows this person is a narcissist? Sorry, I don't have exact birthtime, so angles aren't correct and I am not sure if Moon is in Cap or Aqua...thanks![URL=http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/KarmicMoon13/media/imagejpg1_zps716b4463.jpg.html] IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon
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posted June 30, 2014 08:06 AM
I'm going to try this again since it took soooo long to post the chart (above). This is my friends girlfriend. He thinks she is a classic narcissist. Takes hundreds of selfies a day and posts them on FB. He has to constantly tell her she is beautiful or she gets upset. Doesn't care about anyone elses feelings. I was surprised she has Sun in Virgo and Moon in Cap(although maybe Aqua). Her ASC must be fire, either Aries or Leo I'm thinking (don't have exact birthtime). Any thoughts are appreciated.IP: Logged |
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posted June 30, 2014 10:59 AM
That sounds more like she might have body image or self-esteem issues.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 30, 2014 01:10 PM
Venus in Leo unaspected.It takes over the chart. Leo = Self. Venus = beauty. Unaspected = There's a need to integrate that part of the chart in the personality. It's chaotic, erratic and over the place. Exaggerated. IP: Logged |
Moon is Lunatic
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posted June 30, 2014 01:13 PM
I would think that Jupiter conj. Sun in Leo would have extremely big ego, not sure about narcisstic though.IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon
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posted June 30, 2014 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Venus in Leo unaspected.It takes over the chart. Leo = Self. Venus = beauty. Unaspected = There's a need to integrate that part of the chart in the personality. It's chaotic, erratic and over the place. Exaggerated.
Thanks! So you only take into account the four major aspects?
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AlexDern
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posted June 30, 2014 02:28 PM
3 things narcissists do...They are not necessarily self-centered as someone who talks about himself alot might be.. Here are my signs: 1. Lies about accomplishments. - he will say he has a degree in x, but he is really just going to the bar and getting wasted. 2. Demeans others. Maybe he is wicked smart and has a degree from harvard but does he bring it up everytime someone else doe ssomething? Like does he think someone getting a degree from another university in the same subject is less than an accomplishment? We all know harvard is a tough school to get into but the truth is most people can given the opportunity. 3. Does he cry? Narcissists don't like to cry necessarily unless it's to get there way for something. Does he or she cry in the sense that it's out of profound sadness.... 4. Don't mistake context for truth. Sometimes people act narcissistic because they are trying to be strong. They may not show you emotion believing from past experiences that it's weakness. A narcissist is usually narcissistic all the time...get to know a person before you judge them. IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon
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posted June 30, 2014 05:23 PM
Thanks for all your replies.Honestly, I'm not sure if she is a narcissist or not. I have never met her. My friend has another friend who is a psychologist that he talked too. She said it sounded like a classic case. I became curious if it was in the chart. I guess she isn't very bright so she doesn't have much to brag about other than her beauty, lol. Everything revolves around how she looks so it seems likely that that Venus is the culprit. She has several hundred followers on FB and Instagram. She is very superficial. She does put others down. She sees people only has a means to an end and doesn't concern herself with their feelings. Uses her looks to manipulate others. The things she says often just don't add up. He's so convinced he's trying to get her to see a psychologist. IP: Logged |
fishbull11
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posted June 30, 2014 06:36 PM
I would add that someone with NPD is less astrology and chart based than abuse related early in life. It also is an overused term as 1% or just over of the US population is this way. Being self centered, lack of empathy and a user of people doesn't necessarily mean someone suffers from a NPD personality. Now someone's chart could lead them to succumb and develop a NPD personality, typically stemming from someone who has trouble developing their own identity and can't shake the abuse and ultimately become the abuser. Other siblings in the family shake the abuse and go on to live productive lives and stand up against ill willers, some are not so strong and become the abusers just as some people born in unfortunate situations go on to rise out of it and some end up on the street corner slanging rocks.
Key traits I have personally seen of someone with NPD, absurd daily outlandish (well sold) lies, routine control and domination tactics that a lot of times lack reason or tact, strange and more strange behavior like mocking others, delusions of grandeur and having to be the best as their ego cannot accept anything else. They also depending on how controlled they are have self centered outbursts, self loathing and complete lack of empathy though have a weird way of portraying themselves as a caring individual or upstanding family man. I say man because typically over 3/4 of these individuals are male, its centered around an out of control larger that can be contained ego and power lust beyond reason...male based for the most part. The key is the lying, from my observation these people are dead inside and live life as a reflection, i.e. projection and projecting something that is not there requires lies, lies and more lies. And if events happen that render them less than the best they will go about strange behavior, lies and tactics to make themselves feel like they are the best, they can accept nothing less.
I would say if your friend is dating this person they have an uphill battle if they wish to continue to do so assuming she has NPD. Since she is a girl and as you said not that smart I would say she probably has other things going on. Narcissists are usually quite intelligent and use psychopathy very well, are dysfunctional yet hide it well and as I said on the whole male. If she has a NPD personality she won't change, it is like trying to rearrange her existence so far in life up to this point. Most or just about all NPD people don't or won't accept help as it means identifying they have a problem and the ego of "being the best" won't allow it...being the best means you are above everyone else and certainly don't need help, in fact they will see it as you are jealous of them and you are the one in need of help for suggesting it. Not an expert but spent hours studying and observing an individual who I would say had this and it is abuse related that can be bolstered or fueled by a chart that allows it. IP: Logged |
NeptunianSag
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posted June 30, 2014 06:52 PM
So a definition of a narcissist is the stereotypical Scorpio? IP: Logged |
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