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Topic: Narcissism?
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fishbull11
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posted July 01, 2014 12:15 AM
  
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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
So a definition of a narcissist is the stereotypical Scorpio?
One could look at it that way but there are a lot of differences. First of all Scorpio's from my experience generally are quite strong willed and proud, a NPD person is ashamed, a coward and a counterfeit personality but they will show you otherwise. Scorpio's also have the ability to love and love strongly their partners, close friends and family..a NPD person loves one and one only themselves and it's a loathing very jaded one at that. Scorpio's are also known as the best or one of the best healers of the zodiac, a NPD person while they may show they care couldn't legitimately heal anybody especially themselves. Scorpio's are also quite defensive of their families and partner, a Narcissist would rather watch their way get beat up while they stand by, see the hurt they want to see, then see the hurt they want to see when they are looked at like "why didn't you back me up" and then turn around and kick the person while they're down with some kind of BS comment like "why did you let that person do that to you" when really it really should be why are you such a slime ball you can't come to my defense. Scorpios are also quite closed, suspicious, strong willed and not all that impressionable, targets for Narcissists (i.e. they abuse and turn into abusers) are open personalities, lack of identity, impressionable and overall weaker people who can be wielded without fighting back...show me a Scorpio who doesn't fight back, they have a stinger and can be quite nasty for a reason. I think Bob Seger summed it up quite well "she'll hurt some she'll wound some too..but oh how they love to watch her strut" Ok I'm getting carried away now, its the Aries in me..tootalou.
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AlexDern
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posted July 01, 2014 12:35 AM
I know two Scorpios well, three....two are narcissistic relative the general population, and one is amazing and has the heart of a lion.I think in general though, Scorpio's are just intense frog sizzles. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted July 01, 2014 01:03 AM
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So a definition of a narcissist is the stereotypical Scorpio?
The astrological definition of Scorpio, as a sign (wherever it happens to be in any particular chart).. includes - high empathy levels.. since this is a water sign.
I don't see the connection with NPD. IP: Logged |
KarmicMoon
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posted July 01, 2014 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by fishbull11:
I would add that someone with NPD is less astrology and chart based than abuse related early in life. It also is an overused term as 1% or just over of the US population is this way. Being self centered, lack of empathy and a user of people doesn't necessarily mean someone suffers from a NPD personality. Now someone's chart could lead them to succumb and develop a NPD personality, typically stemming from someone who has trouble developing their own identity and can't shake the abuse and ultimately become the abuser. Other siblings in the family shake the abuse and go on to live productive lives and stand up against ill willers, some are not so strong and become the abusers just as some people born in unfortunate situations go on to rise out of it and some end up on the street corner slanging rocks.
Key traits I have personally seen of someone with NPD, absurd daily outlandish (well sold) lies, routine control and domination tactics that a lot of times lack reason or tact, strange and more strange behavior like mocking others, delusions of grandeur and having to be the best as their ego cannot accept anything else. They also depending on how controlled they are have self centered outbursts, self loathing and complete lack of empathy though have a weird way of portraying themselves as a caring individual or upstanding family man. I say man because typically over 3/4 of these individuals are male, its centered around an out of control larger that can be contained ego and power lust beyond reason...male based for the most part. The key is the lying, from my observation these people are dead inside and live life as a reflection, i.e. projection and projecting something that is not there requires lies, lies and more lies. And if events happen that render them less than the best they will go about strange behavior, lies and tactics to make themselves feel like they are the best, they can accept nothing less.
I would say if your friend is dating this person they have an uphill battle if they wish to continue to do so assuming she has NPD. Since she is a girl and as you said not that smart I would say she probably has other things going on. Narcissists are usually quite intelligent and use psychopathy very well, are dysfunctional yet hide it well and as I said on the whole male. If she has a NPD personality she won't change, it is like trying to rearrange her existence so far in life up to this point. Most or just about all NPD people don't or won't accept help as it means identifying they have a problem and the ego of "being the best" won't allow it...being the best means you are above everyone else and certainly don't need help, in fact they will see it as you are jealous of them and you are the one in need of help for suggesting it. Not an expert but spent hours studying and observing an individual who I would say had this and it is abuse related that can be bolstered or fueled by a chart that allows it.
Thank you, very informative. I guess she just has some narcissistic traits then. I don't know whether she was abused but it sounds like where she is from, women are only valued by how they look. In fairness, maybe she never had the opportunity to better herself through education so I shouldn't joke. Having lots of Virgo placements myself I certainly understand self-criticism and low self-esteem, lol! Still, I can't help worrying about my friend a little. He thinks he has everything under control but he has been telling me for months he has to break up with her but doesn't. Well, he has but she has weedled her way back. I think she is more manipulative than he gives her credit for. I just don't feel she is being genuine with him. IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted July 01, 2014 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
Thank you, very informative. I guess she just has some narcissistic traits then. I don't know whether she was abused but it sounds like where she is from, women are only valued by how they look. In fairness, maybe she never had the opportunity to better herself through education so I shouldn't joke. Having lots of Virgo placements myself I certainly understand self-criticism and low self-esteem, lol! Still, I can't help worrying about my friend a little. He thinks he has everything under control but he has been telling me for months he has to break up with her but doesn't. Well, he has but she has weedled her way back. I think she is more manipulative than he gives her credit for. I just don't feel she is being genuine with him.
Actually, when I read this description, you've pretty much described everyone. IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted July 01, 2014 09:22 AM
Think about it this way. If we all weren't a little narcissistic would there be telivision? Mass Genocides with death tolls greater than all world wars combined in a single year, etc...etc...No...there would not...we all have to take responsibility and admit that to a certain degree, we are all lying to ourselves about the current state of human suffrage... IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted July 01, 2014 09:50 AM
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we always point the finger like the crusades, but more children starve to death in a single year than all the crusades and world wars added up.IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted July 01, 2014 03:30 PM
Common theme of narcissism is one of manipulation.Triangulation is their method of choice. This is where the narcissist communicated to you what he thinks someone else thinks but really is just speaking from his gulio. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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posted July 01, 2014 03:39 PM
I had a psychotic ex who was a Virgo male and was the definition to a T. Complete nutcase. He had tons of squares and opposition with Mercury, Mars and Venus in his chart. IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted July 01, 2014 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I had a psychotic ex who was a Virgo male and was the definition to a T. Complete nutcase. He had tons of squares and opposition with Mercury, Mars and Venus in his chart.
Would he express to you that "so and so" said, "this or that," and when you asked "so and so" about it they said, "huh?" What made you stick around initially? Was he intriguing or mysterious? IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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posted July 01, 2014 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by AlexDern:
Would he express to you that "so and so" said, "this or that," and when you asked "so and so" about it they said, "huh?"What made you stick around initially? Was he intriguing or mysterious?
All the time, he was a compulsive liar. I stuck around because he would tell me he'd kill himself if I left and at that time I didn't want to be responsible for that so I stuck it out. When I did leave he had a complete melt down screaming and throwing crap. Had to call his sister over because his mom was too lazy to deal with him. He was decent not spectacular, I felt bad for the kid from the very beginning and developed feelings a year after which soon dissipated. His motto when we lived together was "What's mine is mine, what's yours we share." So you can imagine how that went. He had extreme insecure issues. IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted July 01, 2014 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
All the time, he was a compulsive liar. I stuck around because he would tell me he'd kill himself if I left and at that time I didn't want to be responsible for that so I stuck it out. When I did leave he had a complete melt down screaming and throwing crap. Had to call his sister over because his mom was too lazy to deal with him.He was decent not spectacular, I felt bad for the kid from the very beginning and developed feelings a year after which soon dissipated. His motto when we lived together was "What's mine is mine, what's yours we share." So you can imagine how that went. He had extreme insecure issues.
Good grief! That sounds like a nightmare. He sounds kind of like the kid that was in the news...Eliot. To be honest, I think he was truly the definition of a narcissist in the truest sense. Well at least you have a new man now. Isn't your new manz deepfreeze? IP: Logged |
Babysmackle
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posted July 01, 2014 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
All the time, he was a compulsive liar. I stuck around because he would tell me he'd kill himself if I left and at that time I didn't want to be responsible for that so I stuck it out. When I did leave he had a complete melt down screaming and throwing crap. Had to call his sister over because his mom was too lazy to deal with him.He was decent not spectacular, I felt bad for the kid from the very beginning and developed feelings a year after which soon dissipated. His motto when we lived together was "What's mine is mine, what's yours we share." So you can imagine how that went. He had extreme insecure issues.
Was he a cold fish?
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astri
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posted May 18, 2020 07:01 AM
I would also check the asteroids Narcissus and Echo to see if they are placed prominently in the chart.IP: Logged |
mikstar
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posted May 19, 2020 07:16 PM
Apologies to anyone who has Libra moon... but LIBRA MOONS! I know a narcissistic sociopath with a Libra moon. It is a cold moon that will have no issues betraying you. “Libra Moon, is named the Courtesan’s Moon. This refers to the ability to have sex divorced from feeling” They constantly need attention or they can’t function. Struggles to stay loyal. IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted May 19, 2020 10:24 PM
^Poor Libra gets so much crap like no any other signs.
It doesn’t turn to cold without reasons. Why it is ok to be revengeful only for Scorpio? Ironically, Libra is one of the least self-center moons. Otherwise, it wouldn’t care about the others opinion that much.
And you turned me to cold lol There’a a reason 😊IP: Logged |
mikstar
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posted May 20, 2020 05:16 AM
Haha it’s ok, I’ve got Libra too. Im a Libra ascendant and I’m vain as hell. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with roasting signs. But maybe that’s my Aries sun speaking  I don’t think Libras get that much hate... not as much as Scorpio’s. IP: Logged |
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