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hikoro
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posted September 13, 2010 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know what this is, maybe a rant or a rambling.

I looked at the charts of Prince William and Kate Middleton and it looked so good when it came to synastry.

There was even a part of me that envied their venus-mars aspects when my boyfriend and I have oppositions and squares among our venuses and mars.

Then, I look at astrology boards and read about women, because yes, it is usually women, raving about this so-great synastry this and that...people responding, "oh, it is so nice".

To then find out that they broke up later. But it was supposed to be a perfect synastry!

Sure, astrologers like to say that no synastry is perfect but I have been around long enough to see that there is a bias going on...

And sometimes I get irritated by the superficiality of how some women idealize these so-good synastries just like women who are dreaming with the perfect guy from the very unrealistic hollywood films.

I don't even know what my point was supposed to be but, worshipping synastry irritates me, and I think that often times, it is more of a detriment toward women. I just find it so superficial.

Mind you, I am not saying that looking at the synastry and composite is wrong but....I just wish more women would keep it real, at times.

And that astrologers would also give equal standing and floor to the so-called awful squares and oppositions as all of the trines and sextiles.

Maybe I am envious of the couples with all the conjunctions, trines and sextiles but I can't help it when the astrological world is telling me that that is the ideal.

No difference that looking at the real world and realizing that being rich, straight, western,...etc is the ideal. sigh.


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posted September 13, 2010 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Actually, I prefer hard aspects in synastry. Trines and sextiles do nothing for me.

Especially between Venus and Mars.

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letram
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posted September 13, 2010 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
i think the perfect synastry is in our hearts and charts, and maybe even the composite.

but no synastry is perfect by how it 'looks' in synastry i don't think.

show me lots of synastry charts anyway that are 'perfect' or 'really good' and the couple have been together for a long time (4 years plus and still going)

synastry to me is like TV channels, different channels suite others more and keep them more interested than others, perhaps some channels are more 'popular'. but its up to the hearts and desires in the persons involved that decide how long they are in it to stay 'tuned in'. and its also about whats needed.

i like how it has been said that no aspects can't be made to work. what can't be made to work is two people, not the aspect.

im sure you will find in all of the longest lasting relationships, including the happiest and well working ones, all osrts of surprises. sometimes that includes a lack of saturn aspects in long lasting. and the opposites.

and other 'no go' aspects in relationships that work.


as for your feelings of resentment or jelousy, i think its pretty normal. who wants to be told that their synastry with their lover is less adequette for lasting, or owrking than some one elses? especially based on astrology. no one does.

in my synastry we have two very strong 'no go' aspects, but were still together, still moments that the challenges make worth it when they arise.

we also have to be able to deal with hurdles and challenges, if theres a WILL there is a WAY.

how much effort, communication, and working it out, and commitment can you put into solving something?

and will you or wont you want to do the things necessary, is it in our hearts? tahts what probaly decides synasry and relationships, not aspects.

love prevails all. sometimes that means love runs out, sometimes taht means love can't prevail what challenges the relationship offers, therefor love only works outside of it.


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posted September 13, 2010 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't even think there was a such thing as a synastry with all trines, sextiles, and conjunctions. Odd.

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posted September 13, 2010 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
I wrote this on another thread:

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The food analogy is good here. Think of trines and sextiles as the basic ingredients and the square, opposition and conjunction as the condiments.

Too much condiments will make the relationship bitter and unfulfilling, too less will make it bland and boring. However, when you mix them in the right proportions, voila! You get an "a la carte" relationship.


So, this so-called perfect synastry may actually turn out to be not-so-perfect when keeping in mind the big picture which is learning life lessons.

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posted September 13, 2010 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
I like the squares and oppositions in my relationships... especially Venus square Mars...

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Venus De Milo
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posted September 14, 2010 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message
I think easy aspects in synastry produce good friendships, NOT romantic relationships.

I think a little tension is necessary.

I think "perfect" synastry is actually a strong mix of easy and hard aspects with binding influences like Saturn and conjunctions to the angles.

I find the obsessing about synastry kind of tedious too. I'm not saying I'm immune to it, but I DO NOT base my decisions off of synastry and I do try not to look too early in relationship.

I think its much more valuable a tool for later, when you might be having some challenges and you have both gotten to know each other a little better. For example, my family dynamics were explained to me so clearly when I looked at all our synastry and the way in which our energies affect each other. It helps to change my tactics and be more conscious in all my dealings with them.

Not so valuable until you've peeled a few layers off, and really gotten to know each other, IMO.

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Ami Anne
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posted September 14, 2010 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
You Rock,Letram

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posted September 14, 2010 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I am starting to think that there is something to the conjunctions,oppositions to the East Point/West Point axis and Antivertex/Vertex axis which are auxilliary Ascendant/Descendant axises.
The squares could be significant too for it's the midpoint of the axis.


Trines and sextiles to those auxilliary Ascendant/Descendant axises might be good for getting along with each other but won't be that connectedness that you might feel with a conjunction or opposition.


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posted September 14, 2010 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Trines can be romantic...
Sextiles are friendships
Conjunctions are the most important
Oppositions are serious relationships
Squares are... well.. I'm not sure but since they are activated with the most important points in our charts.... I.C, DSC, ASC, MC... They are more important than the easy aspects.

Hard aspects are better, hands down.

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Ami Anne
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posted September 14, 2010 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Raspberri
I want to pick your brain
Why/how are oppositions for serious relationships?
After you answer, I will ask you another question

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raspberri
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posted September 14, 2010 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Because 1st/7th house Axis. It's your natural partner, your marriage partner.

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posted September 14, 2010 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
I get your point but why make it a gender issue?

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hikoro
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posted September 14, 2010 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
awowls

it is not a gender issue. the observations that i made are facts. more often than not and if we women can be honest with ourselves, the woman gives way more emphasis and idealizes synastry more than men. i have observed this talking to astrologers, both male and female, astrology boards, etc.

it is an observation that i made in my post but the original topic is about the so-called perfect synastry with other things mentioned in passing.

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posted September 14, 2010 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
letram

That was so cute!

Thanks everybody for your comments.

But, how can oppositions be good?

Ok, my man and I:

My venus squares his venus.
My mars opposes both his venus and mars.
And then, his venus and mars square my sun.

How can't I know whether these aspects have to do with our challenges? I mean, I have read that having oppositions when it comes to venus and mars reflect challenges in regards to romantic nature, loving and being loved. And also, that often times oppositions and squares when it comes to venus and mars create a love-hate relationship.

Wouldn't a trine be better?

Ease things a tad bit?

Add more of a in sync feeling? For example, when I am with my fellow water signs, I get a feeling that I don't get with my Virgo, for example.

Now, I do not know if it is my Saturn in the 7th talking. I feel it adds this feeling of weight on my shoulders when it comes to love. As if, everything is always complicated.

And unfortunately, I do wonder the "what-if" we had this and that....maybe it would be better. Maybe not.

I don't know.......

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posted September 14, 2010 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
in my experience, perfect synastry between a man and a woman is rather indicative of friendship between them or fellow feelings about each other.

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Ami Anne
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posted September 14, 2010 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
What do you mean by "perfect synastry", Peri---all trines, sextiles etc--easy aspects?


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posted September 14, 2010 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
I've had Venus trine Mars in Synastry and it wasn't even remotely an attraction for me.

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posted September 14, 2010 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tangerine     Edit/Delete Message
"But, how can oppositions be good?"

I've always wondered how can oppositions be bad!

Opposite signs have a lot in common. I see them like different sides of a coin, completing each other but in the same time not being too similar which would be boring in the end. I also think that opposite signs "get" each other, even they can be different.

Squares seem more harsh fo me, but im not sure if that is bad either. They seem to attract each other a lot too.

What Glaucus said about East Point/West Point is interesting.. is East Point same as meridian 1st house cusp? I have been following this point because i've read about it being significant point in relationships earlier too, dont remember where it was.. anyways, im now involved with someone who i have East Point conj. NN with and Vx square Vx.

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posted September 14, 2010 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Someone tell me what the East point is and how I find it?

Is the East Point the Antivertex?

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posted September 14, 2010 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tangerine     Edit/Delete Message
No, East point is definetly not same as Anti-Vertex.

Im not sure, but i think East Point is same as "Meridian ascendant", 1st house cusp of Meridian chart. You find it when you make a chart and choose Meridian house system and check the 1st house cusp from there.
I hope i have understood it right...

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raspberri
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posted September 14, 2010 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Let me check.

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raspberri
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posted September 14, 2010 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
No it's the same as my normal ASC.

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posted September 14, 2010 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tangerine     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, the Asc is same, but the 1st house cusp should be different. At least i have and all the other charts i've checked.

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posted September 14, 2010 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Mine is still at Libra...

Hmmm.I checked someone else's it does start at Aries instead of Taurus.. But do we know what degree?

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