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FrozenQueen Knowflake Posts: 422 From: The boundary where 'reality' ends and Dreams begin Registered: May 2010	posted September 13, 2010 09:10 PM This person I know has some weird aspects He has Nessus conj. Moon 1 deg Isis conj. Dejanira 1 deg and Nessus quindecile Dejanira 1 deg. Going with the abuser/abused theme of these two bodies, he seems quite the opposite. Help? ------------------ *Look down at me and you'll see a fool. Look up at me and you'll see your god. Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.* IP: Logged
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1770 From: Orbiting Registered: Sep 2010	posted September 14, 2010 05:36 AM Hi Frozen Queen I don't know about Isis or quindeciles but Nessus conjunct moon may be a different manifestation of Nessus. The moon is our deepest, most receptive part. It pulls things in. It kind of sits there like a gentle, smiling lady waiting for a man to open the door lol. Maybe Nessus goes IN to the person when it is conjunct the moon rather than OUTWARD in an abuser mode. This is a total speculation PS What is quindecile? Is it an easy aspect like trine or hard like square? ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged
FrozenQueen Knowflake Posts: 422 From: The boundary where 'reality' ends and Dreams begin Registered: May 2010	posted September 14, 2010 10:58 AM Hi Ami. A quindecile is the 24th harmonic aspect: 165 degree. It is considered an aspect for obsession. ------------------ *Look down at me and you'll see a fool. Look up at me and you'll see your god. Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.* IP: Logged
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1770 From: Orbiting Registered: Sep 2010	posted September 14, 2010 12:16 PM Have you had experience with it versus the square, for example. Is`it a subtler energy? IP: Logged
FrozenQueen Knowflake Posts: 422 From: The boundary where 'reality' ends and Dreams begin Registered: May 2010	posted September 14, 2010 01:26 PM He is "obsessed" with people who have been abused, if you can understand what I mean. What I love about him is that inspite of all the abuse he has had in his own life, all the darkness that he has had to face, he is still pure. He reminds me of gold tempered by fire in that he accepts the abuse to be his teacher and not make it an excuse for being dysfunctional. I see in him the ideal of me, which is why we are two such kindred spirits. ------------------ *Look down at me and you'll see a fool. Look up at me and you'll see your god. Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.* IP: Logged
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1506 From: Registered: Aug 2009	posted September 15, 2010 03:46 AM Frozen Queen. Do not be afraid about nessus conj moon. I've lived with that aspect and I'm not far away to be 50. My Dejanira conj my Karma in scorpio. My moon in almost exact Parallel to pluto My moon conj nessus conj p fortuna also in a t-square to merk/uran/pluto and to saturn. Yes. Im obsessed to help people who be abused. Yes,I'm obsessed to help people who be going through traumatic events. Yes ,Im obsessed to help people who need help. Yes, Im obsessed to bring my children an good future and see they not being hurt Yes, Im obsessed to help the people I love etc etc I do not need a thanks from anyone. Im not afraid to meet the pain nessus brings into the moon. Im not afraid to meet the dangerous in the life. I'm not afraid to meet dangerous people. I've never tried to hurt anyone and will never make to do as long as I live. I have many happy moments in my life and never need help to confront my inner life yet. If I'm angry to someone I not remember why I was angry the next day. I write this for you frozen queen. I've now delete thats for me my own private on yours thread. I do not want to trigg science fiction on this thread. I want to show my own experience to live with an aspect like this. moon conj nessus. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1770 From: Orbiting Registered: Sep 2010	posted September 15, 2010 04:39 AM You are a VERY special person, Popcorn. When I was hurting, you were there every step of the way for me. I can see what you are saying very much! Love to you and Thank you for all you gave to me, Ami IP: Logged
FrozenQueen Knowflake Posts: 422 From: The boundary where 'reality' ends and Dreams begin Registered: May 2010	posted September 15, 2010 11:42 AM Thank you, popcorn. When I read what you were saying, it felt like I understood my friend better than ever. Thank you, popcorn The brave have no need to be ashamed. ------------------ *Look down at me and you'll see a fool. Look up at me and you'll see your god. Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.* IP: Logged
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1506 From: Registered: Aug 2009	posted September 17, 2010 03:52 AM Yes frozen queen. That's exact how I feel it works. It works out as an strong passion for something and it looks like obsession. The pain shows as an usual part of the life and give courage to realize what ever you want to do in the life. Maybe that kind of feeling could be dangerous for someone who are sick and not have the human thoughts but for me that's an another world "psychiatry "and not astrology. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1770 From: Orbiting Registered: Sep 2010	posted September 17, 2010 07:40 AM Well, my relationship that has Nessus in synastry shows me myself in a laser like way. His Nessus is in exact conjunction to my Sun, 15 seconds away. In a wordless way, I am given back to myself. I can't be fake in this relationship, for some reason. Fake would diminish it : would cheapen it or nullify it. I have freedom as long as it is real. I have to tell you what it feels like. Have you ever read "The Primal Scream" by Janov. He originated Primal Therapy. It takes off your layers of defenses. He does in in a few weeks in a very ,intense way by breaking you down. It is controversial cuz people have freaked out and even committed suicide . When I read it ,I knew that it was a model of the way to heal. Nessus,in synastry, doing something similar to me. My old self seems to be breaking down, dissolving .It is the layers of defenses which are breaking down and under it is ME, the diamond hiding under the coal. It is so strange that my words don't explain it and I want to erase them. Does anyone understand this? My heart knows it is Ok and I have faith in Something bigger than I or I could never go through these changes. Many RL people don't understand. They think things like this are dumb, ridiculous. Astrology is a world all it's own with it's own supernatural magic. I may erase this cuz it seems very vulnerable lol. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged
FrozenQueen Knowflake Posts: 422 From: The boundary where 'reality' ends and Dreams begin Registered: May 2010	posted September 17, 2010 08:53 AM To quote from a beautiful song about finding your true self quote: You're a diamond in the rough A brilliant ball of clay You could be a work of art If you just go all the way... ------------------ *Look down at me and you'll see a fool. Look up at me and you'll see your god. Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.* IP: Logged
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1770 From: Orbiting Registered: Sep 2010	posted September 17, 2010 09:06 AM Man, Frozen Queen That is beautiful. Don't EVER worry about being a Narcissist. No way,are you! ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged
FrozenQueen Knowflake Posts: 422 From: The boundary where 'reality' ends and Dreams begin Registered: May 2010	posted September 17, 2010 09:11 AM Thanks, Ami ------------------ *Look down at me and you'll see a fool. Look up at me and you'll see your god. Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.* IP: Logged
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1506 From: Registered: Aug 2009	posted September 17, 2010 09:20 AM I agree with you Ami. Moon conj Nessus are deep and primal. The men I been in loved in... the men who been in loved into me who have theirs asteroid lilith, BML and Nessus in conj to my moon /nessus help me to go throught the feelings again and again....and I feel it heal my self. The men also been so strong in love into me..... It feels like nothing will scares me anymore. Maybe the moon conj nessus feelings could get weak people to be suicidal but never not me and not my friend either. My friend is born later on the same year as me and have her moon/nessus in the same sign as me and also in square to saturn. My sons N.N exact in conj to my moon/nessus/p.fortuna. I nowadays know my words are more important than I thought before. I'm so proud of him. He is the most smart, intelligent man I know. For me he is an einstein and he is always on the top whatever he going through. IP: Logged
FrozenQueen Knowflake Posts: 422 From: The boundary where 'reality' ends and Dreams begin Registered: May 2010	posted September 17, 2010 09:21 AM Okay, new hypothesis Isis was the main goddess in the Egyptian mythology, wife and sister of Osiris, mother of Horus. The story of Isis and Osiris has been used several times to demonstrate the concept of Twin souls. Hmm... Isis conjunct Dejanira could mean that his Isis or Twin is someone who has undergone a lot of abuse and suffering, and that he may have seen her undergoing the pain. Another thought about Nessus conjunct Moon: The person may have witnessed the mother or significant female figure in their life being abused or the mother/significant female was someone who had undergone major suffering and this affects him emotionally. Just my thoughts. ------------------ *We are mourned on the basis of WHAT we leave behind, not WHO we leave behind.* IP: Logged
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1770 From: Orbiting Registered: Sep 2010	posted September 17, 2010 09:25 AM Interesting, Frozen Queen. I think that through my experience, Nessus ,in synastry ,is like a laser beam breaking down your old, worn out, unneeded defenses and GIVING you back to yourself as you are--the coal to diamond thing. It hurts so badly but it must be the hurt of a medicine on a sore. The hurt is like a dying hurt but a dying and being reborn. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged
FrozenQueen Knowflake Posts: 422 From: The boundary where 'reality' ends and Dreams begin Registered: May 2010	posted October 12, 2010 04:45 PM Digging up old threads and found Peri's post concerning Nessus. quote: It seems that Nessus brings opportunities to understand and release deep patterns of helplessness, being taken advantage of, and being oppressed. This is particularly relevant for people raised in a culture where they are in a minority group. Nessus processes really do seem to bring to an end the unfathomable ties that bind us to people, places, and situations. We can psychoanalyse our bonds, do 'tie cutting exercises', sweat and strain to be free of situations which burn with relentless continuity, but only when such endeavours are in harmony with the deeper timing of the soul will they result in deep release. And when they do, the healing is unmistakeable. Nessus activations correspond with times when things really do end, finish and transcend to another level, when release occurs and when the turning point is reached. This sometimes happens through an intensification of suffering. The end of falsely hopeful innocence is signalled by Nessus transits, and the opening of a deeper wisdom. The part about cutting ties seems appropriate in my friend's case since he has severed all ties with his family and they have disowned him. ------------------ Kill me once, kill me twice, For all I care, kill me thrice No matter what you do, I will survive, Oh Baby, the cat has nine lives ♥ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1770 From: Orbiting Registered: Sep 2010	posted October 12, 2010 06:05 PM quote: It seem s that Nessus brings opportunities to understand and release deep patterns of helplessness, being taken advantage of, and being oppressed. This is particularly relevant for people raised in a culture where they are in a minority group. Nessus processes really do seem to bring to an end the unfathomable ties that bind us to people, places, and situations. We can psychoanalyse our bonds, do 'tie cutting exercises', sweat and strain to be free of situations which burn with relentless continuity, but only when such endeavours are in harmony with the deeper timing of the soul will they result in deep release. And when they do, the healing is unmistakeable. Nessus activations correspond with times when things really do end, finish and transcend to another level, when release occurs and when the turning point is reached. This sometimes happens through an intensification of suffering. The end of falsely hopeful innocence is signalled by Nessus transits, and the opening of a deeper wisdom This is happening to me. Nessus is like a fire. It hurts badly but it purifies . It burns out ugliness. The ugliness was stuck on you. That is why it hurts. Underneath, you are pure and beautiful. Nessus demands that you hold on without a safety net, it seems. You hold on with help from God, I do or I could never do it. I know I will be Ok cuz God loves me.If not, I would never brave a Nessus relationship. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged
seeleah Knowflake Posts: 333 From: kokomo, IN, USA Registered: Dec 2009	posted October 12, 2010 06:33 PM omg...I have to say...you guys are awesome sorry, I know I am not helping here but I just think you are all awesome XD IP: Logged
FrozenQueen Knowflake Posts: 422 From: The boundary where 'reality' ends and Dreams begin Registered: May 2010	posted October 12, 2010 11:22 PM Seeleah, you're always welcome to comment!! I'm currently busy with a new wave of thought and riding high on its crest...will report back when the truth is revealed ASAP! ------------------ Kill me once, kill me twice, For all I care, kill me thrice No matter what you do, I will survive, Oh Baby, the cat has nine lives ♥ IP: Logged
racole12 Knowflake Posts: 669 From: the world is my home! Registered: Feb 2010	posted October 12, 2010 11:25 PM Mr. Pisces has Dejanira opposite Nessus (Nessus is conj my ASC and Dejanira is conj my Mars... sigh...) IP: Logged
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1770 From: Orbiting Registered: Sep 2010	posted October 13, 2010 02:18 AM HIS Nessus is conjunct YOUR Ascendent, Racole? IQ said you had great synastry so that one aspect is prolly superceded by the others. Alone, that one aspect would be a red flag ,I think, and a big one,if I am not mistaken lol As I said, in synastry HIS Nessus in exact conjunction to my Sun has started to heal me of my past with my mother. It is actually so weird how it doing that. It is JUST as that paragraph said. You can read and read and have therapy etc and never heal. When a certain energy "touches" you, you heal. It is wild lol ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged
teasel Knowflake Posts: 2070 From: Ohio Registered: Apr 2009	posted October 13, 2010 11:35 PM I can't find the thread for asking questions of IQ. Could Juno conjunct Dejanira be reflected in commitments other than romantic relationships, and somehow victimizing yourself - inadvertently - through them? Taking on too much, and then struggling at times? (I edited the rest out... I'm trying to wake up, and am rambling.) I also wondered about Nessus in my 8th, sextile Ceres/Chiron/Sun (6th), sextile Eros in the 10th, square BML in the 5th, and opposing Valentine in the 2nd. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1770 From: Orbiting Registered: Sep 2010	posted October 14, 2010 02:22 AM Teasel, IQ uses close orbs on the asteroids. I think 3-4 on a conjunction and only 2 on trines, oppositions and squares but I could be wrong. So, Juno conjunct Deja. Ummmm. How close--first of all? Then, I will try to think Also, how close are the others/ ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged
teasel Knowflake Posts: 2070 From: Ohio Registered: Apr 2009	posted October 14, 2010 02:44 AM Juno and Dejanira are both at 17Taurus. Nessus at 22Gemini BML at 20Pisces Valentine at 25Sadge Eros at 25*Leo (I think) IP: Logged

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