posted September 18, 2010 05:17 AM         

That is not meant as a judgement, I just found it interesting that seemingly as much as you have been fascinated by it, I was being repelled.

posted September 18, 2010 05:23 AM         

So in a not so direct way he put that thought and fantasy in my head and I day dreamed it as he spoke it.

This isn't something I would normally do. I am in no way promiscuous either even though I do have a crazy imagination and love to explore I have never been this close to it.

posted September 18, 2010 05:28 AM         

his Eros conjunct your Mars
Your Lust conjunct his Sun

Those are very "hard" sexual aspects, usually only caring for sexual gratification but not for any romantic or emotional attachment.

his Venus your Eros could provide some of the magnetic attraction, that also includes a more sensual approach (as apposed to the very sexual aspect of Eros-Mars).

on top of that (and I should have mentioned it first) his Mars opposes your Venus quite closely - this is such a magnetic sexual attraction. Wow.
But it could switch to animosity over time. The energy with the opposition might be too strong to deal with in a committed relationship.
But it depends on the people involved of coruse.
Venus is in your 12th house, so no matter his unhibited sexuality (his Mars in his 11th) triggers secret suppressed romantic and sexual fantasies in you (your Venus in 12th).

His Pluto in your 1st squares your Sun (and Mercury) - no wonder you feel like your are somehow "submissive".
Hypnotic, passionate, yes. But probably there would also be issues surrounding manipulation and power, even posessiveness.
I could think he might get clingy with YOU, as your Sun is conjunct his IC, so you touch him in his deepest core, which brings his Pluto to the forefront, trying to "posess" you, or at least hypnotize you.
I think the dark spell and magic that is happening here, is your energies meshing!

Especially if I see that your Pluto is squaring his Moon, too!
The question is who would have the upper hand?
Pluto-Moon is similiar To Sun-Pluto just in a much more emotional, clingy way.
He probably could get under your thrall emotionally very easily.

HIs Uranus squares your Mars:
sexually exciting, opening up new sexual horizons, but very unpredictable, and volatile.

Strong Uranus and Pluto aspects might lead to a push-pull dynmaic, On and off.

Sounds intense.

(you also have Mars-Moon trine and Mars-Pluto-trine, making a Grand trine as I see it - does support that even more, though in more harmonious way.)

Not sure this is what committed dreams are made of though.

posted September 18, 2010 06:13 AM         

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He told me it was a game and one that both players have to have complete control and manipulate the situation and have sex with a mutual friend but where the "players" know about it but the "played" person doesn't and that you use him as a toy.

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posted September 18, 2010 06:39 AM         

He does not in any way come accross as sleazy either. He is a funny guy and that talks a lot and wants a serious relationship and thinks it is healthy to play out these games so as long as there is trust and the other person doesn't cross the boundaries and do it outside the game or without the person having any foreknowledge of it.

It doesn't seem as wrong as it sounds. I guess it is more just a way of stirring emotions within each other and making it more passionate. I understand where he is coming from but obviously it isn't something people come out with every day

posted September 18, 2010 06:50 AM         

I mean, think about it, wouldn`t it increase the thrill if you tell the "victim / played person" the truth, but do it in such a twisted way, they can`t really see it, even though it`s being layed out before their eyes?

posted September 18, 2010 06:50 AM         

I think the idea is what turned you on but the reality? I don't know, just thinking that you won't like the actual reality of said scenario.

posted September 18, 2010 06:51 AM         

So it's like Adam and Eve are dating and they both plan for Adam to sleep with one of Eve's friend Mary but Mary has no idea that Eve knows about it and later is excluded from the scenario.

posted September 18, 2010 06:56 AM         

I hope so ..

posted September 18, 2010 06:57 AM         

I think I need to leave the thread now.
cause the very idea of such an use of a trusting person (I am talking about the "played" one) is making me sick.

As I said, different people react differently to the same scenario.
And I can only look at this with my own eyes, and feel within my heart how wrong and unfair to one person this whole scenario is.
And no sexual thrill justifies abusing another person imo.
That is really only my opinion. And I don`t judge YOU for the fantasies you have or are turned on by. It`s just that this is simply not within me.

posted September 18, 2010 06:58 AM         

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Call me prude or whatever, but ******* with other people like that is just plain cruel.

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I thought the same too but remember the other person knows your in a relationship with this person so technically they're not any better It is with a mutual friend and it is the art of seduction as he calls it.

posted September 18, 2010 07:12 AM         

Be careful Belgz. Remember, there is a reason for fantasy. No karma in fantasy land.

I found 2 things in life to be true re: sexual stuff:

1. People who play out fantasies always regret it as it's nothing like the fantasy. 99% of men fantasise about 2 women in bed. In reality, 99% of men disliked having 2 women in bed.

2. When an outside party is brought in, emotions are involved - even when people swear they are not, they are in denial. Emotionally we are all controlled partially by our mind, which ironically does a good job of installing doubt and possessiveness into our psyches.

posted September 18, 2010 07:12 AM         

I havn't even done anything and I was being honest about how I felt about it. It is WRONG, I didn't deny it but I don't want you to not participate in the discussion because your that appaulled by it. Then I would be upset I wrote anything and want to delete the whole thing so it isn't offensive to anyone.

Maybe I'm troubled right now but we never always follow what society deems normal. How can we share true astrological knowledge if we're not honest right?

posted September 18, 2010 07:17 AM         

I don't have feelings for him other than just a desire to explore a new experience with him and so far I havn't established whether that is platonic or physical..

posted September 18, 2010 07:18 AM         

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Yes but I'm not lonely.

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posted September 18, 2010 07:20 AM         

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I'm sure someone will indeed get hurt in the end if it were to all play out but that wouldn't be me. I have an on/off button

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