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Topic: Saturn conjunct Pluto
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 5993 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 03, 2010 10:27 AM
by realizing that especially in a case like this what you saw in them was largely a part of you which you are projecting on them. this sort of mismatch usually ends in tears until you find those qualities in yourself.and the obsessing (pluto influence) will keep you banging your head against it until you "get" that HE was not the important factor..i am pretty plutonic and i still do this frequently. i get on a topic and "do" it to death, and then all of a sudden i go "what on earth did i think was so important about this" OR "integrated...next!?" IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 4909 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 03, 2010 10:40 AM
Dear Jaque I was reluctant to say anything cuz I was not sure how you would take it. Since you are open, I will continue lolOK--for you to be THIS ready to die from a current relationship, you have to be replaying a horrible trauma from the past. The trauma unglued you--whatever it was. It made you feel you would die. You squished it down so you could survive. It was a wound and you halted the bleeding and even the death that may have happened from a broken heart by squishing it away---down as deep as you could. Usually, you get numb, to some degree, from doing this. You may or may not FEEL numb but pushing things down like this does make us removed from reality to some extent(dissassociated) All that is is "numb"--not a word to worry about . Anyway, what happens is that when you encounter the "same" situation in later life i.e. someone you love and he leaves you, ALL the squished feelings rise up. Then, you are in that same horrible place, emotionally, that you were during the original trauma. I am just saying this much to see what you will say. There ARE ways to deal it it. Don't despair. *I* am healing. My mother molested me so you can't get that much worse than that. PS I hate writing that about my life cuz I don't want to be associated with it, even to myself lol
However, it reminded me of an experience I had last week. I went to talk to a pastor. I was telling him about my life. He asked me a question which seemed clueless. I tried to explain the answer and HE looked clueless. I said,"Have you ever been in shock?" He said,"No, but I have been with people who were." I KNEW he would never "get" me. *I* get people cuz I have been there. That would be the only thing to make it worthwhile. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend.
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posted October 03, 2010 10:54 AM
My dad has Scorpio rising with Saturn in first and I was born with Pluto conjunct Saturn in first.I agree on the strength part. We have a crazy amount of physical and mental strength and can endure almost anything. I'm not very stubborn but I only do things my way and I am capable of doing things most are not able to do. I am my own rock. IP: Logged |
ekf Knowflake Posts: 176 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted October 03, 2010 11:26 AM
jacque, can i suggest that you take a look at steve gunn's website? he is a psychic/energy healer and deals with getting you centered with your own energy so that you don't get push/pulled so much to throw you off balance. I did some work with him and found him to be difficult but extremely helpful. i'm coming off a long series of saturn and pluto transits, 2 soul connections, a divorce, and the deepest depression i've ever known where i was forced to come face to face with every open issue i have. the universe usually delivers the hard lessons through love, because it's not an experience we go through willingly. it will take time, hard work and focus but there is light at the end of the tunnel. i'm not completely there yet but i am so happy with where i am in the process and am thankful for having endured it. IP: Logged |
jacque Knowflake Posts: 227 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted October 03, 2010 11:45 AM
thanks everyone. I will take your advice.IP: Logged |
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posted October 05, 2010 12:40 PM
My experience of this transit to my natal Pluto in Libra (8 degrees) is not that nice. My Pluto natally is in the 4th house. It's reawakening all the situations of coldness, detachment and crapness of my family. ------------------ Lack of Earth - Lack of bu11shit. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7054 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 05, 2010 02:03 PM
I have that right now (Pluto on 9 Libra) in 10th house. A lot of problems with sleazy lawyers and greedy landlords. My dad and me also have been accused of having violated copyright law and downloaded a sexfilm from the net (yeah, right ), by a sleazy lawyerfirm. Saturn rules my 2nd house, and Pluto rules my 11th and 12th house.Last year the orb of Saturn`s square to my Sun was one degree, hopefeully this one will be as narrow, too. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 4909 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 05, 2010 02:09 PM
It must be in trine with my Venus. I guess, I am fortunate. Would that help me incorporate/integrate my Venus more ? It feels like I am ,finally, embracing my love nature, getting to know it, starting to feel it and express it in a way that is mine, not how I was supposed to. Does that sound right, DD,or anyone who could give an opinion?------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 4909 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 05, 2010 02:09 PM
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jacque Knowflake Posts: 227 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 18, 2010 12:24 PM
Is it possible to feel no effects of Saturn conjunct Pluto?Has anyone ever passed thro' this transit, untouched, peacefully .. etc? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 4909 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 01:09 PM
Dear Lonake If you are there. What could Saturn conjunct Pluto in the 1st house in the composite mean? Thank you, Sweetie  ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 2870 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 18, 2010 05:25 PM
Hi Ami, In the composite 1st it could signify that the couple seem to possess a strong sense of determination and drive, definitely a pair to be reckoned with, but this depends on the sign in the composite, its composite aspects, and you could also take a look at to how each person's natal aspects that conjunction. If it's conjunct one of their Moons they may feel stifled by the relationship, if it's trine one of their Mars the person could get a great sense of direction as a direct result of being a part of that relationship, so there are a lot of factors.If it's in Aries, Capricorn, Scorpio, Leo the pair could definitely seem indestructible. IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 2394 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted December 18, 2010 05:56 PM
I don't think this is a big transit except if saturn happens to rx on your pluto, which anyone with pluto from 13-18 (roughly) will have to deal with for about a year due to the saturn rx. Then it's a big deal, but you need other corresponding transits to make it so as well. IP: Logged |
jacque Knowflake Posts: 227 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 12:57 AM
Hi Ami, Lonake,Where can I get a composite chart with transits? Thanks, Diana. So will Saturn retrograde? does that happen often?
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Lonake Knowflake Posts: 2870 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 01:52 AM
Look at the comp chart you just created on Astro.com, on top of the page on the right will be a url that says 'with transits' -- then you can toggle it off cos the next page will give you a url for 'without transits.'IP: Logged |
jacque Knowflake Posts: 227 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 02:11 AM
Thanks, Lonake.What can one expect when Saturn conjuncts composite Pluto? IP: Logged |
jacque Knowflake Posts: 227 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 02:16 AM
How do I interpret transits to a composite chart?For example: I remember you'd mentioned in one of the posts that Pluto conjunct the composite Sun would indicate a complete overhaul or a complete break. So how would I interpret transits Pluto conjunct composite Mars Pluto conjunct composite Mercury Saturn conjunct composite Pluto etc? Is there a site which gives this information? All sites I've browsed so far only explain transits to the natal chart, not composite. Please let me know. thank you. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 2870 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 02:27 AM
I would mull over Saturn in the composite chart first. See which house is ruled by Capricorn, because that area of the relationship will be affected. See what house Saturn resides and what aspects it makes. In general with transits, you won't really get too much of anything that isn't otherwise indicated. So if the composite Saturn is all about Leo/h5 matters, don't expect that all of a sudden finances will be going through a rough patch (Saturn conj Pluto traditionally can indicate dearth of resources - but that dearth can be in any area).Just play around with the chart and see what it tells you. Then also look to see if the comp Pluto is making any strong aspect (conj trine opp sq) to either person's natal. Contacts from composite to natals are v.important. This person may be more strongly affected in terms of relationship by the coming conjunction than the other party. Aspects will tell the story. Sorry it's so complicated :/ IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 2870 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 02:42 AM
Another thing is if you know natal aspects, then you have pretty much any aspect in composite or transit, etc. down pat because essentially you're looking at the same energies.-Aspects in natals are personalized to the individual, very subjective -Aspects in synastry pit one person against another so that each acts out only one portion; easy enough once you get how each planet acts in their natal -Aspects in composites are personalized to the relating experience, so in general they set the tone for the partnership, you have to look at the aspect from a more objective sense, this is almost diametrically opposed to looking at aspects in synastry. Sun conj Mars in natal would tend toward strong drive and initiative, in composites essentially the same energy, but it occurs when the 2 people are paired up, it consumes them both as an energy -Aspects from natals to composites once again pit one person against another chart, but this time you're looking at how the aspect changes a person's experience of the relationship. Once again look at how that planet is functioning in that person's chart. These aspects are most like synastry. For example a person's Moon conj a composite Venus would likely be soothed by the emotional relating that takes place when they're acting as a couple. But maybe the other person's Moon is squared composite Uranus, then the relationship would act as quite an electric shock to them emotionally and it may be quite exciting or it may take its toll and wear them out, again depending on their natal -Aspects in transits, you would look at how the transiting planet is acting in that chart, what is it about? What house does it rule, what aspects does it make, what does it want and how does it go about getting that? Then look at the transit itself and see what new elements are being brought to the table. Transits carry the energy of its natal placement, so know the charts first and foremost. Some people say that transits don't affect composites, but I disagree. Look at your charts, study em, and use what works for you. IP: Logged |
jacque Knowflake Posts: 227 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 05:43 AM
Thanks Lonake.How can I check the aspects made from composite Pluto to natal planets? Where can I make/get a chart like that? IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 2870 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 03:40 PM
I don't remember seeing a chart like that on astro. I just check out the position and remember it when referencing the natals. Maybe someone else has found a more visual way to do this.IP: Logged |
jacque Knowflake Posts: 227 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted January 06, 2011 02:38 PM
Saturn is now conjuncting my natal Pluto in Libra. The transit began a few days ago. Since I have natal Pluto (in house 8) trining my Sun, Mars and Mercury (in house 1), how would this transit affect me? Is it possible that I will benefit from this transit in some way since I have the 3 trines to my natal Pluto?IP: Logged |
lechien Knowflake Posts: 638 From: my 30 cubic square meter room with a rat! Registered: May 2009
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posted January 06, 2011 03:18 PM
i have it right now too, but since last 2 years have been the major struggle of survival ever, although it's still going on i'm too numb to feel it. actually i think it's getting less oppressive. my Natal Pluto is conjunct my NN too, and also the transiting Pluto is just leaving my 1st house stellium, which was a REAL major tough time for me, so i think overall the time of pain is soon to be over for me... BUT it goes retro! UGHHHH!  IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 2870 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 07, 2011 02:16 AM
Jacque, The house that's ruled by Scorpio and the house that has your Pluto may feel a bit constricted, but the trines do tend to be ease of energy.I have natal Saturn conj Pluto, and Saturn will go over my Pluto a lil later this yr...it can't be too different from what I know.... Anyway at least Saturn in Libra is exalted.  IP: Logged |
jacque Knowflake Posts: 227 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted January 07, 2011 12:35 PM
what about Pluto in Libra in house 12 and no natal aspects (trines, conjunctions, squares nothing) .. ? how do you handle the Saturn conjunct Pluto then? Is it easier or harder?IP: Logged |