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EsotericAstrologer
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posted September 22, 2010 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EsotericAstrologer     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a therapist with a PHD in social science/practicing astrologer based in NY.

I'm tracking a young filmmaker and actor that has had some success appearing in the spotlight from a young age. I genuinely feel he has a good chance of becoming world famous for his work in motion pictures.

I would love your some of your opinions - as I study various up and coming actors/film makers - closely watching the Neptune influence ...

Astrology Client #1
March 13th 1984
6:43pm
New York, New York

Sun Pisces 23°35'21 in house 6 direct

Moon Leo 5°04'15 in house 10 direct

Mercury Pisces 28°37'08 in house 6 direct

Venus Aquarius 29°20'20 in house 5 direct

Mars Scorpio 25°32'19 in house 2 direct

Jupiter Capricorn 9°43'23 in house 4 direct

Saturn Scorpio 16°05'47 in house 2
retrograde

Uranus Sagittarius 13°33'21 in house 3 stationary (R)

Neptune Capricorn 1°18'59 in house 3 direct

Pluto Scorpio 1°42'52 in house 2 retrograde

True Node Gemini 10°00'18 in house 9 retrograde
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Ascendant Libra 3°35'41

2nd House Libra 29°55'00

3rd House Sagittarius 0°30'24

Imum Coeli Capricorn 4°09'31

5th House Aquarius 7°39'42

6th House Pisces 7°52'06

Descendant Aries 3°35'41

8th House Aries 29°55'00

9th House Gemini 0°30'24

Medium Coeli Cancer 4°09'31

11th House Leo 7°39'42

12th House Virgo 7°52'06
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I particularly notice: Moon on the cusp of the 10th/11th house ... Jupiter Conjunct Neptune (Film and Illusion) - Sun in the 6th House Pisces. The energy of the entire chart also filters completely to the 10th house in a bucket formation.

I think I notice what would be called a Grand Trine to Mars in the Second House. Can anyone confirm that? I'm still learning!

The Part of Fortune is at 22 Degrees Taurus in the 8th house - a phenomenal sabian symbol.

I feel this candidate could also (on a separate note) potentially win the lottery or - a major speculative gain at some point. The 2nd House Cusp is at 29 Degrees Libra - with Venus Rising in the 5th (Speculation) .... this also means the cusp of House 8 is @ 29 Degrees Aires (The Mars trine in the 2nd)


Aside from acting ... he is studying social work in a masters degree program ... hence the 6th house ... his ambitions are switching from acting to producing neo-realistic films that expose social problems

What do you all think of this chart? do you notice anything interesting?

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vertiver
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posted September 22, 2010 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
Its all about the Moon- Leo Moon in the 10th house, need I say more?

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EsotericAstrologer
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posted September 22, 2010 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EsotericAstrologer     Edit/Delete Message
thanks so much for your response ... i agree as well.

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raspberri
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posted September 22, 2010 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Not to mention the Libra ASC.

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Fleurdelis
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posted September 22, 2010 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fleurdelis     Edit/Delete Message
is that your chart?

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katatonic
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posted September 22, 2010 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i don't see any cancer placement to fill out a grand trine? you have pisces and scorp in mid 20* but no cancer point...

but leo moon in 10 does sound like someone who could act for a living and do a very good job of it...and pisces with leo moons make great performers! that moon is not much supported though...and a gemini 9th house NN doesn't really smack of acting either (to me anyway).

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EsotericAstrologer
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posted September 22, 2010 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EsotericAstrologer     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you both for your feedback!

He also is a filmmaker , which i feel might be very supported by his Jupiter-Neptune conjnuction ...

He is natally Sun in 6th House Pisces

If the native is Pisces ... and there is a Jupiter-Neptune conj. - this says to me not only overall good luck in (specifically in film - neptune) - but possibly an expansive career in the field .... it also ties in his with his social work career (6th house and 9th house true node - higher education)

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted September 22, 2010 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Is this person a client of yours or just "someone" you're tracking?

I'm sorry, I now see that you have named him Astrology Client #1. Does he know that his birth data is being posted publically?

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EsotericAstrologer
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posted September 22, 2010 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EsotericAstrologer     Edit/Delete Message
he absolutley does.

dosent mind ... this is a client im both studying and working with. I'm interested to see if my predictions are correct.

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DiandraReborn25
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posted September 22, 2010 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
i would love to see where the asteroid actor falls in

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raspberri
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posted September 22, 2010 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Yes we want to see the following asteroid placements please:

Actor
Dionysus
Shakespeare


I have Mars in Pisces in the 6th house...

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raspberri
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posted September 22, 2010 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
But yeah big time famous people usually have the Moon in the 10th house. Or Sun...

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EsotericAstrologer
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posted September 22, 2010 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EsotericAstrologer     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks so much for your interest.

I've never researched these particular astroids.

Although its fairly self explanitory ... please tell me what are the signifgance of them?

I appreciate your help and interest so much!

Actor is at 19 Aquarius in the 5th House
Dionysus is at 7 Scorpio in the 2nd House
Shakespeare is at 12 Taurus in the 8th House

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raspberri
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posted September 22, 2010 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
He has a very high chance of becoming a world wide star!

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Aya_and_baby
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posted September 22, 2010 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message
My first impression? Moon in Leo (well, it is known for it's stagestruckness) in house 10. It seems very important for this person to be successful in their chosen profession, as the moon points out where are most dire needs are - for example, I have moon in 7th and I cannot be alone, I have to be around people all the time - so their need is to become successful in their career (house 10) in acting and stage (commonly associated with leo).

That was my first impression anyway. Apart from that I would say he might stand a chance with that forceful Scorpio mars, but to be honest, I'm not the person to go to when you want to find markers for fame in a chart. All I can say is that this person really does want to make it in the showbusiness above anything else.

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Glaucus
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posted September 22, 2010 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I'd look at connections to the heliocentric planetary nodes as well as the nodes of the centaurs and transneptunians as well as the geocentric nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond

the connections to the collective energies to those objects

I am not a traditionalist nor mainstream astrologer,and so I think the 10th house is a bit overrated when it comes to fame and being a public figure.


Even if there are indicators for fame and being a public figure, it's up for the individual to put in the effort so those things can manifest.

That's the free will.

Raymond

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EsotericAstrologer
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posted September 22, 2010 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EsotericAstrologer     Edit/Delete Message
what great feedback ... and you all are so nice.

im glad i joined this msg board.

what other feedback do you notice?


I think Venus in the 5th Rising + A Funnel to Moon in the 10th + Jupiter Conjunct Neptune + Sun in 6th House Pisces = Success in film work for this client.

The 6th House Placement with Merucy in the Pisces in the 6th (exalting mercury by accident) and North Node in the 9th house is definite success in the scholastic and social work front.

I think this combonation will draw him to play roles on film of people whom he studies - and will inspire him to direct the films that make a social statement.

I think Saturn in the 2nd could be limiting - but there are very strong aspects to Mars in the Second - and Pluto as well - all in scorpio ... which gives the potential for alot of money to be generated.

I thought maybe a lottery or speculative win is possible aside from his work

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Agent_009
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posted September 22, 2010 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message
Esoteric,

we had a Director/Filmaker thread before:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/202585.html

Maybe checkout any asteroids of Master Directors that inspires him.

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EsotericAstrologer
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posted September 22, 2010 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EsotericAstrologer     Edit/Delete Message
great post thanks so much for sharing!

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meta_4
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posted September 22, 2010 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Agent_009,

As a current film major, and aspiring writer/director, I can't tell you how much I valued your link! I ate it right up!

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Betty Boop
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posted September 22, 2010 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message
There's someone I know with similar placements to this guy - who was/is in the spotlight.

I'll post the chart when I get back.

He is Leo Sun-Sco Moon.

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meta_4
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posted September 22, 2010 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Not to be a complete wet blanket, but i think we should consider the wishes of your client. It's great for us or you to hope fame will fall on him, but fame isn't all glitz and glam. It's pressure, and hard work, and sacrifice, and invasion too. I just kinda get a "stage mom" feeling right now. We're probing his chart, looking for aspects dictating that he's going to be a big star... yet if that's not what he wants- if he wants to be a social worker- then we should be happy for him just the same.

If he does make it big, excellent. But you don't have to be a Hollywood leading lad or lass to be deemed "successful." Woody Allen's films are commercial flops, but he's an icon. David Bowie's albums are commercial bombs, but he's a genius, etc. Some people only achieve "fame" posthumously! Do you think Shakespeare knew he was Shakespeare??

Free will, as someone mentioned, is also a factor. We have to keep in mind that natals are a map of potential. He may be famous, but perhaps in the 6th house-world, do you know what I mean? Like a social work guru, or Elton John of the health scene.

I'm not trying to steal his thunder, or say he won't be incredibly successful. I just think we should think about what being "famous" really means. How many "famous" people do we hear about with drug problems, sex problems, failing careers, and falling apart families?

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NickiG
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posted September 22, 2010 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message
"I'm not trying to steal his thunder, or say he won't be incredibly successful. I just think we should think about what being "famous" really means. How many "famous" people do we hear about with drug problems, sex problems, failing careers, and falling apart families?"

meta..i'm sure everyone who decides to become famous are well aware of what they are giving up and what they have to endure, but all of those stars that are in the media every day are in the media because they want the attention..
and on that note, the media usually only reports the bad things celebs do

just sayin

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posted September 22, 2010 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think anyone anticipates the removal of personal privacy. Your exes coming out with books and interviews about your sexual fantasies. Photographs of your children, spouse, and family blasted in Gossip magazines. Rumors of you being an unfaithful, crack-smoking, abortion-having, role-prostitute. No, I don't think anyone anticipates, nor desires, that aspect of fame.

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posted September 22, 2010 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message
Meta,
glad you enjoyed it!

["I just kinda get a "stage mom" feeling right now. We're probing his chart..."]
--Stage mom, Haha. I think Esoteric is just trying to do research...& since that guy is Esoteric's client I'm guessing he's expect'n to hear back on when he'll hit it big time.

["Free will, as someone mentioned, is also a factor."]
--Couldnt agree more. Actually I think it's the biggest factor. There were a few times before I nearly quit cuz it was just too difficult, but the universe sent some divine interventions (not that it made life easier--like some huge break). Personally I think what shows up in your natal charts are just 'potential,' snapshots, but doesnt gaurantee anything in terms of physically manifesting it. One psychic told me she sees me achieving my goals, but if I ever quit pursuing (freewill), it will change the course of destiny.

As far as I'm concerned, it seems most ppl on Lindaland has pretty great acting/talent/etc asteroids. We will all get transit-oskar conjunct NN/etc at one point or another, ...but how many ppl will actually be in the position of nominated/running for an oscar when that happens?

NickiG,
["the media usually only reports the bad things celebs do"]
---From my experience, the media has already failed to report 98% of all their bad behavior. Especially Producers/Directors, B-list actors. The public doesnt care about the real core of the film industry...they only care about the tiny handful of A-list stars & teen idols--which to them makes up, "hollywood."

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Esoteric,

Anyways un-related to astrology, but I find my advanced numerological transits much more telling than astrological transits. Perhaps this is due to the fact I dont have the time or energy to get into deep astrological analysis.

I think the best method of all....is to find 2-3 bonified psychics who are able to separately pick up the same/similar things as each other. Then match those with your advanced numerological transits. I found that my psychic readings matched my numerological transits quite well.

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