posted September 23, 2010 07:02 PM            

I read the most Venus-Pluto (opposition) quote on a man's blog. I could relate to this so much - It was like a light bulb went off in my head.

So there I was sneakingly looking up Taurus' guy's birthday online. Sometimes I like reading things people born on the same day - have to say - and I found this man's blog. He is born on the same day as *my* Taurus - and has this Venus/Pluto opposition.

He said:

quote:

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I forgot a lesson Amanda taught me years ago when she used my own words to justify tearing me open and leaving me.

Speaking of Amanda...

We broke up (ha that's funny, we broke up, she dumped me) on thankgiving of 2003... it is now March of 2006 and I am still not over her. ******* sad don't you think?

THREE MOTHERFUCKING YEARS!

"you used to be like my twin, and all it's been, was it all for nothing. are you strong when you're with him?"

lyrics from Katatonia's 'my twin'

one listen to this song and it's like I had a surge of memories rush through to me that ******* week in 2003 where a part of me wanted to kill her, him, and myself and just be done with it.

Yeah you read that right. When I said I'm emptying my guts out I mean it.

I've been listening to it for 3 days now...

It gets better...

I'm still so jarred that I literally push away mofos when they get too close or I start getting too exposed, because I just can't allow myself to ever be hurt like that again.

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And...

quote:

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I dunno, maybe I'm more afraid of another Amanda. Parts of me would rather sabotage whatever I can to make sure that no one ever gets that close again. That chick hurt me so bad it still ******* resonates like a thunderclap. So yeah, come on folks, get close to me, so I'll find a way to become annoyed with you or try to shove you away.

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He says other things I cannot relate to - He also has Mars opp Pluto, since Venus/Mars are conjunct.

But what I quoted in particular is extremely true for me and I find it very accurate for people who have the Venus/Pluto opposition in natal.

I was hurt by my first love because I expected a lot, at a time in my life which was difficult. He was immature and unable to be there for me. Say what I might, deep down I cannot forgive him.

It's exactly as this man put it in the quote - I never let others get THAT close - again.
And I know this is pure cowardice.

I have seen this with other people who have the opposition.

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The people who have helped me find better ways to deal with this aspect - have the Venus/Pluto conjunction. I have so much respect for these people and what I see as their bravery in love.

The main difference between the opposition and the conjunction - is that people who have the conjunction do not run away from pain They feel pain, they live it - they experience it - they remember it but they keep going - and they are not afraid to try again.
They have a love (Ven.) for pain (Plu.).

I have a love for pain also.. but the opposition makes it love/hate. Sometimes you run ten miles in the opposite direction, just to get away from Plutonian people/events - only to realize that you cannot run away from something that is a part of you.

The fear of getting close for people with the Venus/Pluto opposition stems from a fear of betrayal, a fear of getting hurt *again* - Because usually they are deeply hurt early on in life, as I was.

The Venus/Pluto conjunction person says: Pain is a state of being like any other. There is no use trying to escape it or control it.

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Anyway I've rambled lots..

I was wondering how Venus/Pluto plays out for you in natal? Do you see this Coward 2 Hero - dichotomy in you (in love)?

I am also very curious about easy aspects like the sextile and trine. And Lonake I know you have the square - so that would be interesting!
I mostly know/attract people who have the opposition like myself OR the conjunction.

posted September 23, 2010 07:20 PM            

I have Venus Sq Pluto..
Venus in the 4th; Pluto in the 7th

I have lots of Issues in this department..
I dont even know where to begin.

I have read, that if someone has Venus Sq Pluto their spouse would be taken away.. (is that true?)
That most certainly happened to me.

I also have an attraction to others we Venus sq Pluto.

posted September 23, 2010 08:58 PM            

Below is an interpretation (taken from cafeastrology)

Venus square or opposition Pluto
In an attempt to control the outcome of a love relationship, or the loved one's feelings, you can turn to manipulative games. Even if you do "succeed" at it, there is never a feeling that you've won someone over for who you are, and this feeds a vicious cycle that you should try to avoid getting yourself into. Your feelings are intense, and even extreme, when it comes to love. You might attract intense relationships that have love-hate themes as a result. You are passionate when you love, definitely, but also passionate when you hate. You easily put pressure on your partner, as you expect much loyalty and honesty in your intimate relationships. Be careful not to let your relationships get to a point where your partner is superfluous and you are working through your own inner demons through him or her. Certainly, you will learn much about yourself through your relationships, and you may not always like what you see. You will meet yourself (the "darker" side or inner demons) through your relationships, and it will be critical that you recognize it as your own "material" and not project it onto your partner. Letting go of a relationship can be hard for you to do, especially if Venus is in a fixed sign (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius).

Funny thing is i've never been in a relationship and i tend to be a great commitment phobe.

posted September 23, 2010 09:00 PM            

Below is an interpretation (taken from cafeastrology)

Venus square or opposition Pluto
In an attempt to control the outcome of a love relationship, or the loved one's feelings, you can turn to manipulative games. Even if you do "succeed" at it, there is never a feeling that you've won someone over for who you are, and this feeds a vicious cycle that you should try to avoid getting yourself into. Your feelings are intense, and even extreme, when it comes to love. You might attract intense relationships that have love-hate themes as a result. You are passionate when you love, definitely, but also passionate when you hate. You easily put pressure on your partner, as you expect much loyalty and honesty in your intimate relationships. Be careful not to let your relationships get to a point where your partner is superfluous and you are working through your own inner demons through him or her. Certainly, you will learn much about yourself through your relationships, and you may not always like what you see. You will meet yourself (the "darker" side or inner demons) through your relationships, and it will be critical that you recognize it as your own "material" and not project it onto your partner. Letting go of a relationship can be hard for you to do, especially if Venus is in a fixed sign (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius).

Funny thing is i've never been in a relationship and i tend to be a great commitment phobe.

posted September 23, 2010 09:16 PM            

Funny you should bring this up. I'd been talking to my mother about the boys I knew in England, how I took something the wrong way with one - pride stepped in, and I said "nope" over something that I wished I hadn't taken so personally - and how another was always around my house, wanting to spend time with me - and one of my favourite memories where he's concerned, that sweet Saggie boy, with a Taurus Moon. (Who is now married to a lovely Leo lady.) And a few other boys...

posted September 23, 2010 09:21 PM            

Pluto will wrest it from you if you let him.
Pluto eats your lunch and pops the bag.

posted September 23, 2010 09:48 PM            

I feel exactly the same about someone who has the conjunction (two people actually) - There is something so beautiful about the fact that they are such strong people (unafraid of pain) and they do not leave - no matter what you do or how ugly things get.

The Venus-Pluto opposition (unless it is perfectly balanced) says:

"It's my way or the highway. You give me your all exactly as I want it – OR – I want nothing at all."

They set ultimatums and when the ultimatum falls on deaf ears, they burn the relationship to ashes. The first thought goes to suicide (since Pluto rules death) – and what better way to truly kill the *US* in a relationship – than to self-destruct? When I was seriously hurt in love my first thoughts of revenge involved suicide – as the man I quoted in my first post – though I have never thought of killing *another* person.

In contrast to the opposition - The Venus-Pluto conjunction says:

“I will let you have your way a million - billion times if needed, even if it hurts me and even if it hurts my pride - because *I KNOW* why you need to have your way - I understand your insecurities/psychological issues and I will still be there, loving you - until you are brave enough to let go – and you choose to let me have my way willingly - because you trust me.”

I'm not sure if you guys felt this as well, or something similar. It might be different in different signs. My opposition is in Taurus/Scorpio on my Nodes.

posted September 23, 2010 09:55 PM            

quote:

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how I took something the wrong way with one - pride stepped in, and I said "nope" over something that I wished I hadn't taken so personally

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posted September 23, 2010 10:35 PM            

My Venus/Pluto midpoint conjuncts my Leo Stellium of Sun,Moon,and Mercury.
Since my Sun and Moon are conjunct This is also my Sun/moon midpoint.

I havent been a coward in relationships (prob my leo) I have had lots of small flings, and I have had 3 serious long term relationships. Lasting for years with each one. I had my first child at the age of 19.

posted September 23, 2010 11:40 PM            

“I will let you have your way a million - billion times if needed, even if it hurts me and even if it hurts my pride - because *I KNOW* why you need to have your way - I understand your insecurities/psychological issues and I will still be there, loving you - until you are brave enough to let go – and you choose to let me have my way willingly - because you trust me.”"

My Venus is 13 degrees ahead of my Pluto and I am the huge doormat/martyr as described above. I thought it was just from growing up with boys and seeing how they think and learning to accept it.

posted September 24, 2010 01:57 AM            

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The pain of not being true to myself was so great, that I decided I'd rather be hurt being real than hurt running. Either way, life hurts. And so what? I'm not a spiritual utilitarian. I don't believe that pleasure = good and pain = bad. What's true and good may hurt, but at least it's real.

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Jane, You're good :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZtbASCE7ZY

posted September 24, 2010 03:06 AM            

LMAO!
So are you.

Loved your line about Pluto popping the bag.

Peri -

I understand why you deleted, but the way you described that was just...wow. Your thoughts will stick with me.

MM -

posted September 24, 2010 03:14 AM            

Venus sq Pluto
This is an all-or-nothing aspect for me. I either stay away from romantic relating of any kind, cold turkey, or throw myself into it and it becomes everything to me. When I'm in it, I'm completely there and the sexual element is strong. And when I'm not, then I'm celibate. I do tend toward obsessive thoughts about who I'm involved with, and I can hold a love interest, an obsessive love interest, for years. I love romantic obsession and that burning desire to just consume/be consumed. (The bugaboo is that I also have a Uranian side that favors something less 'real' so I have to make sure the Pluto/Uranus sides are both getting their due.) There are times when I need intense relating, so I will go after that, but then I will back away as I feel so overwhelmed that I can hardly focus on anything else. My sex drive has also created problems for me in terms of its urgency and it has been very distracting, so I've had to learn to control it (but i also have mars/saturn/pluto). I don't like my desires leading me wherever they wish, I like to be in control. I have a good amount of creative energy, the issue is directing it and making it work for me. There's been an issue of times where I wasn't very cognizant of my sexual energy and I allowed others to use it for their own gain..I always have to keep reminding myself that it's *mine.* There's been a fair amount of flirting with the taboo, I push myself farther there sometimes, sometimes I have a very strong need to test the waters, and others nothing at all. I have very obscene fantasies so sometimes it plays out there. I guess all-in-all I delve into Plutonian relating, but then I feel immersed and knowing I have other things to attend to, pull myself back, not for fear, just because I feel if I don't then I may never return. Apparently Venus sq Pluto is known to be intensely charming, bowling others over by their interest in them, and has a knack for making the other person feel like the only one in the room. That is completely me.
Specifically, on others getting close, I don't think there's an issue, but then again I feel it out more than think it out...so for me now it's more of a matter that I bond with others who are like me. I don't go for the pain, like you said Venus/Pluto conj does, I don't love pain. I love likeminded people who have sensitivities similar to mine, where I'm treated with respect. But part of being treated with respect means being honest, which is being vulnerable. That honesty I reserve for few, but when we have it, it's meaningful.

Betty, thanks for highlighting the opposition for me, from a personal perspective, it's so interesting how the different dynamics play out.

posted September 24, 2010 03:17 AM            

I hate your ex.
I love you.

posted September 24, 2010 04:29 AM            

Betty,
["I never let others get THAT close - again."]
--isnt that kind of hard? The thing about Venus-Pluto is once u get involved, you'll eventually/naturally fall hard, like it or not...

posted September 24, 2010 08:28 AM            

Maybe, you guys already realized this and it is self evident.
I just saw it as a RESULT of my Plutonian relationship.
I was always afraid of Plutonian relationships so never had one until now.

I am not afraid of OTHER people. I am afraid of ME.