posted September 29, 2010 05:11 PM
i'm binded very heavily right now to someone, and we have a venus-saturn square double whammy.my saturn is in a tighter orb and it conjuncts her dsc. her saturn trines my sun. so we both have eachothers saturn making a strong aspect to eachother.
my sun is an important planet because its the ruler of my ASC. saturn is important in her chart because its the ruler of her DSC.
so her DSC ruler trines my ASC ruler. in my chart, saturn makes alot of aspects to my personal planets.. conjuncts neptune/uranus, oppose jupiter, square moon, square venus, trine mars.
saturn is strong in my chart, and i feel i am more attatched to her than she me. though it seems pretty close.
her saturn conjuncts my URanus, my DSC ruler, so our DSC rulers are conjunct.
there is definitely a hot-cold off and on thing, but i attribute part of this to our uranus-venus square aswell.
for the most part, with effort, we actually stay about the same in good feelings, sometimes one will get a bit cold or distanced, and the other seems to follow, but we seem to mirror eachothers moods easily, apparently this is in part due to our venus-venus aspect (opposition) and probably our venus-moon aspect double whammy, were in tune emotionally.
(isnt that interesting? the moon and saturn is strong in our synastry, theya spect eachothers venus).
anyway, with recent effort, we've decided to make effort to help bring the other out of the cold mood instead of joining it, and to our own happyness i can report it seems to be working quite well, it takes effort but works! 
so there is hope for the on off thing.
it doesnt seem to happen as often as LibraLove reports, for us.
hmm as for irritating eachother, that happens from time to time but a bigger issue between us actually insecurity, in fact, that seems to be the source of alot of it. insecurity.. which makes sense with saturn.
what i have larned is this,
saturn will bring all its past experience to the relationship and apply it to you, be it good or bad things, the bad things, bad experiences will come up in the relationship, not necessarily directly and openly, but when cold feelings pop up, or there is issue, its likely to boil down to the saturn individual being insecure, possibly relating whats happen to a bad past experience and trying to avoid it.
it takes alot of self analyzing on both parties behalfs. lots of understanding and talking, honest effort with the same goal.
what saturn brings to a relationship is desire and ambitious to do something together for the long run i believe, it doesnt guarantee it, but it certainly offers it, and if both parties pick up on it, they will want to do something together for the long term, be it friendship, love, marriage, business? or all of them. commitment is important. and saturn will want it the most.
i think the saturn individual will want to attain 'status' and establishment wit hthe personal planet person, hencei t desires commitment, and a long term, perhaps mutual desire by both planets.
saturn as iv read about, is a planet that camouflages its self, it will behave cold, it will conceal, for control, or out of insecurity.
thats why when the personal planet person is tired or wants to give up or break free, tired of saturn.. saturn will become all inscure and desperate to keep them.
saturn is apparently our karmic planet, that contains our past and experiences, our wounds, its very personal and deep, i'd say its just as deep as pluto just in an earthy way.
saturn will also become jelous easily, an will try and be punitive to the other to get them to do 'right' or waht it wants, again i believe alot of it is out of the persons insecurity, mistrust, or hurt.
saturn wants to be the authority figure.
you can probably compare saturn-personal planet person as a relationship between parent and daughter, son, or child in energy. since moon represents the woman/mother, and saturn the father supposedly, i would agree with that theme, a father energy.
if we think of saturn as what we learned and carry with us, such as rules, do's and don'ts, can's and can'ts, from our past experiences and what weve learned, and we think of the personal planet aspecting this you can see tht a hard aspect is going to be right under all of this, and if in square and non harmonious aspect, it will be coming from an angle that doesn't follow, agreee or understand these.
maybe like when a parent is trying to raise a child to be something but the child does things and believes in things that don't follow. = ticked off parent, must establish their authority, criticise? punish? striving to get you to do something.
saturn like a parent again maybe.. conceals all that love that is really there as a sense of established control? just think of how ap arent, a father works with his children, even if they arent children anymore,
i will try give an example of how i think saturn can play out.
i have saturn square venus, perhaps this is a theme right here..
how i dress is important to me.. venus in libra, and being a leo asc/sun you can imagine how impression are also important to me.
but i have some self conscious issues, i fear being judged how i look when im outside sometimes, i feel inhibited.
with her, one thing i was insecurely concerned about was her style of clothing, it bothered me sometimes, its superficial i know. and some of those things.. like for example, i dress quite 'well' in the commercial sense, she likes dungarees sometimse, and bandannas, and i dont dig it..
and for a while before i stopped and realize it was bad of me, i felt this need inside to change that about her, i tried suggesting other things, in very tactful ways suggested it wasnt very good.. goodness i feel awful writing this remembering it.. anyway
she actually cared about how i felt but explained to me how she felt, and it made me feel bad, i learned to get over it.
but one day i self analyzed why it bothered me, and i realized thats what it was - i was placing my own self conscious fear on her, i dont want to be judged badly on appearnece, im very self conscious of waht others think of how i look. and i FEARED i was insecure of how what they think of how she looks with me, and that they judge her in ways i feared to be judged, and i didnt want to face this with her when were outside.
so its my own insecurity engeneering the reason why i belive i wanted to change that, im just glad im so over it now.. so silly too.
but that i think is how saturn (insecurity, experience, fear) can work in BAD WAYS on personal planets.
is it any coincidence its in hard aspect to Her venus too?(attraction, appearence? libra/taurus)
one thing i have to tell people out there with saturn aspects to their partners charts, and fortunately i can say i didnt have to Learn this the hard way it was just in my nature..
but if your saturn watnst o criticize or bring change or adjustment to something in the relationship or the partner, you MUST be tactful and avoid being Critical as much as possible, especially harshly. if you can, try demonstrate by example first.. if not then try explain why it is good..
if it is selfish then is up to YOU to get over it. if its something they are doing that is actually wrong and needs change.. then again, dont be critical, try and be parental in an ice way about it, and i dont mean bossy or treat them condenscendingly.. just show and only do things for their best interest or the relationships best interest.. try and show that.. be tactful..
criticism and anything that will make it sour and make those cold feelings have REAL merit will make it impossible im sure.
perhaps this is why our cold feelings arent too prevalent in my relationship.
saturn = effort. self effort. effort both ways. work.
strong saturn in synastry, if you want a light affair that isnt meant to last, or btter put, if you dont feel this person ist he one for you , the one and only in your life, then it could be dangerous eh?
iv read the older the saturn person is the better, i disagree with it being actually about the age, i think its the maturity thats important.
the more immature and least understanding individual will find it hardest to handle their own saturn, and i would also say this if saturn makes strong aspects in their own chart especially.
Lindaland
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posted September 29, 2010 04:42 PM
posted September 29, 2010 05:11 PM