posted September 28, 2010 07:46 PM         

Kinda hoping Venus in Scorpio would give us a boost.

posted September 28, 2010 08:05 PM         

I agree with Shan that the relationship already needs to be in place, but that isn't even enough.

posted September 28, 2010 09:52 PM         

Also the progressed natal charts. Relationships don't start unless there are Sun/Mars conjunct/trine/oppose Venus, most of the time.

posted September 28, 2010 10:07 PM         

Saturn in a relationship (synastry)
With Saturn in a relationship you know what you (don’t) have. Saturn aspects in synastry usually are considered to be bad. Perhaps these aspects don't make it easier, but one thing is sure: they often reflect long lasting relationship. This does not mean that it is a nice and shiny romantic relationship. It can be any kind of relationship. Saturn is the symbol of business, too.

There may be good reasons for the official marriage to continue or for keeping in touch and sharing responsibilities (obligations - real or imagined -, material security, children, laws or a facade). One of the ways to reflect the Saturnal influence in a relationship is ‘keeping up appearances’. Sometimes this is because of a public function and sometimes just for the world outside. Saturn is the (sometimes two component) glue that keeps a relationship going,even if you would like it to end.

A broken heart on a chain suites this story about Saturn and realtions. It is harder to keep the heart on the right place and it might cost a lot of glue to hold things together. But this is only in the end, of course, when the relationship failed...and if the Saturn influence in relationships was already visible in the natal chart. I have a few examples of couples in politics, royal couples, actors and of not famous (but interesting) couples.

ENTERTAINMENT
A divorced couple in my country (she a song writer, he a singer) has a son who needs to be taken care of because of several handicaps. They fight each other at court, because she is not willing to leave his house. She cannot find a house that is just as large as this and she wants a stable for her horses. What keeps them 'related' even after divorce, astrologically speaking? Saturn! Her Saturn is semi square his natal Sun.

Elisabeth Taylor married again and again and sometimes she married the same person, Richard Burton. She has Venus conjunct Uranus in Aries and that explains her impulsive decisions. This conjunction is inconjunct the Sun and Saturn of Richard Burton. That reflect the disproportionate (inconjunction) relationship.
Her Saturn is trine his Descendant. Burton has Sun conjunct an oriental Saturn and Venus in Capricorn. Liz has Sun semi quintile a 'calling' Saturn.

PRESIDENTS
President Sarkozy married singer Carla Bruni. His Saturn is conjunct her Venus and trine her Ascendant. Should I read it like this: they are together because of her good looks and his position? See the post about this famous couple. Bruni has Sun square Saturn (ruler 7th house of marriage).

Saturn of Bill Clinton is exactly square Hillary's Sun. They did not divorce in spite of their difficulties. Maybe they separated their lives, but officially they are still married. Their relationship stands like a rock. Hillary has Venus square Saturn.

Barack Obama's Saturn is inconjunct Michelle's Sun. Her Jupiter is trine his Sun, however, and that is tighter aspect (see the reading of the famous couple's charts). The composite chart has Sun square Saturn.
What does this couple share with the Clintons?

Both are or have been Presidents of the United States and I presume that their function and status (symbolised by Saturn) has two effects on the lives of their partners. One: they are restricted and limited in a way, by obligations and protocol. It would not be easy to divorce the most important person in the world and the world is watching every step and move to see if something is wrong. The other side is status and a position in society that is strongly related to the husband. His fall is yours, when you are a first lady.

The Kennedy's have a Saturn-connection. Her Saturn is biquintile his Mars. His Saturn is square her Moon. In the composite chart Sun and Moon are square Saturn. John F. Kennedy had several mistresses and affairs in the short period of his presidency. What effect would this have had on their marriage?

ROYAL EXAMPLES
Queen Juliana of the Netherlands was married to Prince Bernhard and they remained married even after serious problems and even though she knew that he had daughters with two of his mistresses. His Saturn is square her Midheaven, her Saturn is conjunct his Mars. The government of those days told her that she had to step back if she divorced. So she could not leave him and she left their bedroom instead. Bernhard had Venus square Saturn.

Queen Sophie and King Juan Carlos are married, but rumours say that it is just a marriage in name and often the media praise her for having tolerated his affairs (...). Her Saturn is tightly square his Midheaven (just like Bernhard’s' Saturn with Juliana's Midheaven). And his Saturn is square her Sun (a wider square). Saturn is the oriental planet in their composite chart: duty and parenthood come first. Sophie has Venus trine Saturn and Juan Carlos has Venus in Capricorn.

Saturn of Prince Charles was inconjunct Jupiter ruler 1 of Princess Diana and they divorced, but as she was the mother of the next king to be, there was an important unbreakable tie between them. In their composite chart the Sun is sextile Saturn.

ORDINARY PEOPLE
I could go on and on with these kind of examples. But what if you are not 'famous', royal, not the first lady or the President? 80% of the women in the world depend on the social position of their husband. They don't all have Saturn aspects in synastry. Saturn may create a situation of obligations and mutual responsibilities (as a parent for example).

Example: a couple living apart ‘apart’ but officially married. His Saturn is exactly square her Pluto and Pluto is her ruler 1. When he stepped out of the house, she had progressed Sun opposition Pluto and he had a progressed inconjunction of Venus and Saturn with progressed Ascendant square Saturn. Venus is inconjunct Saturn in his natal chart, too, so this aspect activated the existing 'to say goodbye to your lover, but...'. Her Venus is conjunct Saturn. So they share the aspect of the official marriage (and the disadvantages of it).

Most people divorce when the marriage is over. I know a couple that shared Venus square Saturn (they both had that aspect in their chart) and they divorced. But there remain problems between them because of the child that they have. The relationship did not end with the marriage, because of responsibilities and parenthood. They divorced because their Saturns didn’t aspect a personal planet of the partner.

posted September 29, 2010 10:18 AM         

I feel like he is angry at me.

posted September 29, 2010 10:55 AM         

Once in a while, it feels like we are one, and everything is great and just flows, but that doesn't happen a lot. It makes me feel like things are doomed.

posted September 29, 2010 11:45 AM         

They are somethin else.

Even if he is into you. You will never know. That's just how they are. I was in a pretty close relationship with a scorp virgo scorp for almost 5 months and he only told me in words how he felt about me twice. And one of which he was drunk. But they're allll about control and composure. You will rarely see a scorpio man on his knees going goo goo gah gah over a girl, begggging her to be with him or anything close. Its just not in their nature. They answer to no one but themselves. From experience with a relationship with a scorp dude, its rough. You have to reallllly like him to stick it out, cause building a relationship with this man (a meaningful one) is going to be long and hard.

Sober he would be scorpio control freak man, emotional and seductive ice.

When he'd drink, (loosens the tongue a bit) he'd tell me how crazy he was about me....and i'd be like ??? huh?

posted September 29, 2010 12:06 PM         

There are basic energies which just ARE.

If two people really want to be together, their wills should be able to overcome some basic energies which are hard such as Venus/Saturn .

I think you would need easy energies, too.
Most important would be the will to stick it out ,though.

There is a time to stay and a time to leave. Discerning that is important.

posted September 29, 2010 12:32 PM         

The lines in relationships can get super blurry when there's a lot of back and forth going on, in and out and back and forth and fweff you must be exhausted! It seems the tug of war is taking over the potential for the relationship... : (

in what way do you feel that he acts like a jerk?, explain the circumstance..and do you have any cancer in your chart?, cause I had this exact issue. literally (the back and forth)

posted September 29, 2010 12:36 PM         

I guess the only way to overcome it's basic drive being turned inward is to use other strengths in the chart.
I am trying to figure out HOW to do that, now LOL

posted September 29, 2010 12:47 PM         

I think my exes hard tact, and insensitivity (mars aries in the 1st) showed me how sensitive and soft I am. But instead of seeing it in a negative light, I was first proud of myself for being able to admit that sensitivity yay mars cancer!, but also it made me feel for him. He could be so mean!, and i felt bad for him that he simply didn't have the tools close at hand to be compassionate and understanding of people (only people he didn't know really)

so basically i'd rather be overly sensitive and indirect, and that be my challenge than be a bulldozer! but maybe thats just me : )