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Topic: For DD----or Anyone Who Wants to Play
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Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1593 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 01, 2010 03:45 PM
I listened to a song and WISHED DD was there to tell me which aspects it showed.Could I put songs up--one by one-- and you or any one who wants to---can comment If it is OK, I will put one up. I was wondering which sign the girl(in the song) would be? Which synastry aspect would it show? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khe1_O6wH4Q&feature=related ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 2006 From: Ohio Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 03:51 PM
Beautiful song. Here are the lyrics:Joni Mitchell A Case Of You Just before our love got lost you said I am as constant as a northern star And I said, constantly in the darkness Where's that at? If you want me I'll be in the bar
On the back of a carton coaster In the blue TV screen light I drew a map of Canada Oh Canada With your face sketched on it twice Oh you're in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling And I would still be on my feet Oh I would still be on my feet Oh I am a lonely painter I live in a box of paints I'm frightened by the devil And I'm drawn to those ones that ain't afraid I remember that time that you told me, you said Love is touching souls Surely you touched mine Cause part of you pours out of me In these lines from time to time Oh you're in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling Still I'd be on my feet I would still be on my feet I met a woman She had a mouth like yours She knew your life She knew your devils and your deeds And she said Go to him, stay with him if you can But be prepared to bleed Oh but you are in my blood you're my holy wine You're so bitter, bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling Still I'd be on my feet I would still be on my feet My first thought was Pisces/Neptune... IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 2006 From: Ohio Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 03:54 PM
I loved this song, from the same movie: http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/practicalmagic/everywhere.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSX6hEnEJDU&feature=related As well as the instrumental music by Alan Silverstri (Practical Magic & Amas Veritas ) IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1593 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 01, 2010 03:55 PM
Thank you, Baby Which sign would express themselves like that? I am not talking about the singer--Joni Mitchell but about the content of the song. Just saw your comment, Teasel. Yes, Neptune and Pisces breaks boundaries . She wants to imbibe him lol. Makes sense ,it would be Pisces/Neptune. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend.
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Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1593 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 01, 2010 04:08 PM
I have an idea. Someone can put up a song they are stumped on. That will make it more interesting--I think--cuz we have had so many threads with music. I am looking for one I am stumped on.Please, anyone ,put up one you want to discuss ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 04:24 PM
Ami,same thought here, too. Neptune, but probably mixed with Saturn (the melancholic, bitter note). Maybe a triple aspect of Moon, Saturn and Neptune?
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Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1593 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 01, 2010 04:35 PM
I KNEW you would add the unseen to the story, DD ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1593 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 01, 2010 04:37 PM
I am trying to discern the Saturn in there. Would it be "I could drink a case of you and STILL BE ON MY FEET"Would that be it cuz she knows the Neptune will really not work? Please, elaborate on your reasoning, if you could, DD. I knew that the song SEEMED to be an obvious Neptune but there were parts that seemed to be other things. You got the Saturn in "Poison". That helped me understand Saturn so much more. That is why I wanted to ask you about this song lol ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 04:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9q4nnE0RXE Neptune I think, with a bit of Jupiter maybe? How about these?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78aMSrwtoMg Baby we can talk all night But that ain't gettin us nowhere I told you everything I possibly can There's nothing left inside of here
And maybe you can cry all night But that'll never change the way I feel The snow is really piling up outside I wish you wouldn't make me leave here I poured it on and I poured it out I tried to show you just how much I care I'm tired of words and I'm too hoarse to shout But you've been cold to me so long I'm crying icicles instead of tears And all I can do Is keep on telling you I want you (I want you) I need you (I need you) But-there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you Now don't be sad (Don't be sad) 'Cause two out of three ain't bad Now don't be sad (Cause) 'Cause two out of three ain't bad You'll never find your gold on a sandy beach You'll never drill for oil on a city street I know you're looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks But there ain't no Coup de Ville Hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box I can't lie I can't tell you that I'm something I'm not No matter how I try I'll never be able To give you something Something that I just haven't got There's only one girl that I will ever love And that was so many years ago And though I know I'll never get her out of my heart She never loved me back Ooh I know I remember how she left me on a stormy night She kissed me and got out of our bed And though I pleaded and I begged her not to walk out that door She packed her bags and turned right away And she kept on telling me She kept on telling me She kept on telling me I want you (I want you) I need you (I need you) But there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you Now don't be sad (Don't be sad) 'Cause two out of three ain't bad I want you (I want you) I need you (I need you) But there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you Now don't be sad (Don't be sad) 'Cause two out of three ain't bad Now don't be sad (Don't) 'Cause two out of three ain't bad Baby we can talk all night But that ain't getting us nowhere http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr7mu5RUNyk I Know I have already posted it somewhere, so how about this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjA3rZ9cL2o&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vDlYcilQw
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Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1593 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 01, 2010 05:01 PM
I don't "get" the Neptune/Jupiter one.How is it Jupiter, DD, please?I am going out and will listen to the other one when I get back. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 05:10 PM
I wasn`t completely sure about the Jupiter from the start, so we might just scratch it. I was thinking because of the emphasis on faith it could be a jupiter thing, but of course Neptune has a lot of faith, too.IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 1176 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 05:23 PM
For the Meatloaf one, I'd say Chiron-Jupiter along with Moon-Saturn.IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 05:24 PM
Chiron I agree with, Jane. Why Jupiter? And wouldn´t there be a more emotional / romantic energy there, too?IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 05:25 PM
Oh you edited. Compltely agree now, Jane.IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 1176 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 05:27 PM
Oh, you heard my thoughts. On second thought, I added in Moon-Saturn.Jupiter bc it seems like he's making the most out of what he can be. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 2006 From: Ohio Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 05:55 PM
I haven't watched all of the above, because my computer keeps restarting on me.. but that Two Out of Three Ain't Bad, gets to me if I'm not careful. All Thieves ~ Turn and Turn Again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZFh1Gt6Ac Worn from walking this far So worn from talking this much And what we found and what we've seen As the road curves down And the lights come up to meet us Silent for the evening We enter this town like new born creatures Those I know O see a new And the space between us is reduced For I am human And you are human too So "turn and turn again" We are calling in all the ships Every traveller please come home And tell us all that you have seen Break every lock to every door Return every gun to every draw So we can turn, and turn again Only priests and pounds can save us now Only a sign from God Or a hurricane can bring about The change we all want And we've done it again This trick we have Of turning love to pain And peace to war We're just ash in a jar So turn and turn again We are calling in all the ships Every traveller please come home And tell us all that you have seen Break every lock to every door Return every gun to every draw So we can turn, and turn again instrument So turn and turn again We are calling in all the ships Every traveller please come home And tell us all that you have seen Break every lock to every door Return every gun to every draw So we can turn, and turn again One part of it might be a retrograde, due to their coming back together again, in some way. It's obviously two people wanting to hold onto a relationship.
This one is about grief, someone beautiful and special to them, lost forever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e8GC9cW3nA I just love the music to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64VBjxkTzBI More Oomph, Mars/Pluto. Venus in Furs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzaifhSw2c IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 06:03 PM
Ami,the words in bold reminded me of Saturn. Just before our love got lost you said I am as constant as a northern star And I said, constantly in the darkness Where's that at? If you want me I'll be in the bar On the back of a carton coaster In the blue TV screen light I drew a map of Canada Oh Canada With your face sketched on it twice Oh you're in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling And I would still be on my feet Oh I would still be on my feet Oh I am a lonely painter I live in a box of paints I'm frightened by the devil And I'm drawn to those ones that ain't afraid I remember that time that you told me, you said Love is touching souls Surely you touched mine Cause part of you pours out of me In these lines from time to time Oh you're in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling Still I'd be on my feet I would still be on my feet I met a woman She had a mouth like yours She knew your life She knew your devils and your deeds And she said Go to him, stay with him if you can But be prepared to bleed Oh but you are in my blood you're my holy wine You're so bitter, bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling Still I'd be on my feet I would still be on my feet IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 06:07 PM
Teasel,I thought that this Meatloaf song was just so heartbreaking in a quiet, yet definite way (so I thought Chiron made much sense ). Also a very realistic view on himself, he knows his limits. So sad IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 2006 From: Ohio Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 06:17 PM
Mumford & Sons After The Storm And after the storm, I run and run as the rains come And I look up, I look up, on my knees and out of luck, I look up.
Night has always pushed up day You must know life to see decay But I won't rot, I won't rot Not this mind and not this heart, I won't rot. And I took you by the hand And we stood tall, And remembered our own land, What we lived for. And there will come a time, you'll see, with no more tears. And love will not break your heart, but dismiss your fears. Get over your hill and see what you find there, With grace in your heart and flowers in your hair. And now I cling to what I knew I saw exactly what was true But oh no more. That's why I hold, That's why I hold with all I have. That's why I hold. I will die alone and be left there. Well I guess I'll just go home, Oh God knows where. Because death is just so full and mine so small. Well I'm scared of what's behind and what's before. And there will come a time, you'll see, with no more tears. And love will not break your heart, but dismiss your fears. Get over your hill and see what you find there, With grace in your heart and flowers in your hair. And there will come a time, you'll see, with no more tears. And love will not break your heart, but dismiss your fears. Get over your hill and see what you find there, With grace in your heart and flowers in your hair. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqUsAHTUPTU IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1593 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 01, 2010 06:44 PM
DD--Thank you for highlighting the Joni Mitchell song. That REALLY helps me get a sense of Saturn!The Meatloaf one does not speak to me. I can see how she is giving HIM the Chiron wound in that she will never love him and she he will have a wound that never heals if he stays with her. A Dangerous Game is powerful. I think it is an opposition. Pluto in opposition to the moon would be my guess. Venus is an amoral energy, according to Sasportas. It wants it's own pleasure without "feelings" involved. It wants beauty and the joy of sensation in an amoral way. That is why I would say that" Dangerous Game" is a Pluto/moon opposition . The man would be Pluto and the woman the moon.
I am listening to the words again. I am convinced more that she is the moon. She is all about her feelings FOR him. It is not ,primarily, about seeking pleasure/beauty which is Venus. She talks about looking in his eyes and how her feelings are so strong that they are spinning. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend.
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Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1593 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 01, 2010 07:13 PM
I could not get a sense of what aspect/planet "Alive" was. What were you thinking, DD?"Bring On the Men" has to be a female with Venus in Aries Venus square Pluto can use people for their own gratification. up so I will add that aspect. Perhaps she has a Leo ASC cuz I am told Leo ASC can be "all about me" which she seems to be. She does not see men as people but as objects for her use.
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 2006 From: Ohio Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 07:21 PM
I thought the woman in the Meatloaf song was being cold, because he doesn't love her in the way that she wants to be loved, and she's hurt, knowing that his heart is still with someone else (who will never be in his life, in the way that he wanted her to be). So, he's settling in a way - he cares for her, and wants her in his life, but isn't in love? Or he's afraid to feel that much again... I'll have to re-read, but that song breaks my heart. quote: Teasel,I thought that this Meatloaf song was just so heartbreaking in a quiet, yet definite way (so I thought Chiron made much sense ). Also a very realistic view on himself, he knows his limits. So sad
I see what you mean.. being on the receiving end of that sort of feeling, just - ouch. Not that I've been there completely, but I've sort of seen myself in that position - not trusting that anyone would really love me, in the way that other women are loved. That they would actually see me, and love me, instead of maybe settling. I don't know if I'm making sense.. but I have Chiron/Sun. At the same time, I know I deserve better (and could probably expect better, really - I'm not totally down on myself in that way), so I can see why she would be so cold. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 07:26 PM
"she will never love him and she he will have a wound that never heals if he stays with her." No, that is not the story, as I understand it.At first he is talking to this girl he is with telling her that he is never going to love you, which is very wounding and hurtful for her. And you start believing that he is just an unfeeling guy, incapable of true emotional caring. But then in the last stanza the reason for his inability to love her becomes apparent, His heart is already taken and broken by this other girl who didn`t love him back and thus left him. So he is just doing to the first girl (in the song), what has been done to him once. I thought that was so sad. Though I agree that Venus is much about pleasure and amoral energy, I disagree that she is without feelings. Actualy I think that song displays Venus/Aphrodite-Pluto quite well. Just listen to what she sings first:
" feel your fingers - Cold on my shoulder - Your chilling touch, As it runs down my spine - Watching your eyes As they invade my soul - Forbidden pleasures I'm afraid to make mine. At the touch of your hand - At the sound of your voice - At the moment your eyes meet mine - I am out of my mind - I am out of control - Full of feelings I can't define!" There is a strong emphasis on the physical / sensual, on touching. "forbidden pleasures" - that is Venus-Pluto par excellance. The last line though could be Moon-related.
Actually a thought hit me just now, maybe it`s Pluto-Proserpina? I can vividly picture her being in the underworld faced with its lord. lol Anyway, "Alive" is very much Mars-Pluto-Nessus to me. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 07:27 PM
Yeah, bring on the men is very much Venus/Aphrodite, Mars, coupled with a slight Gemini / mercury influence. Just listen to the way she plays with words. Saying something, but meaning something slightly naughtier. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6444 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2010 07:28 PM
Teasel,yes, exactly my sentiments about the song. IP: Logged |