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Ami Anne
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posted October 01, 2010 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I listened to a song and WISHED DD was there to tell me which aspects it showed.

Could I put songs up--one by one-- and you or any one who wants to---can comment

If it is OK, I will put one up.

I was wondering which sign the girl(in the song) would be?

Which synastry aspect would it show?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khe1_O6wH4Q&feature=related

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posted October 01, 2010 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
Beautiful song. Here are the lyrics:

Joni Mitchell A Case Of You


Just before our love got lost you said
I am as constant as a northern star
And I said, constantly in the darkness
Where's that at?
If you want me I'll be in the bar

On the back of a carton coaster
In the blue TV screen light
I drew a map of Canada
Oh Canada
With your face sketched on it twice

Oh you're in my blood like holy wine
You taste so bitter and so sweet
Oh I could drink a case of you darling
And I would still be on my feet
Oh I would still be on my feet

Oh I am a lonely painter
I live in a box of paints
I'm frightened by the devil
And I'm drawn to those ones that ain't afraid
I remember that time that you told me, you said
Love is touching souls
Surely you touched mine
Cause part of you pours out of me
In these lines from time to time

Oh you're in my blood like holy wine
You taste so bitter and so sweet
Oh I could drink a case of you darling
Still I'd be on my feet
I would still be on my feet

I met a woman
She had a mouth like yours
She knew your life
She knew your devils and your deeds
And she said
Go to him, stay with him if you can
But be prepared to bleed

Oh but you are in my blood you're my holy wine
You're so bitter, bitter and so sweet
Oh I could drink a case of you darling
Still I'd be on my feet
I would still be on my feet

My first thought was Pisces/Neptune...

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posted October 01, 2010 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I loved this song, from the same movie:
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/practicalmagic/everywhere.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSX6hEnEJDU&feature=related

As well as the instrumental music by Alan Silverstri (Practical Magic & Amas Veritas )

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posted October 01, 2010 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Baby

Which sign would express themselves like that?
I am not talking about the singer--Joni Mitchell but about the content of the song.

Just saw your comment, Teasel. Yes, Neptune and Pisces breaks boundaries . She wants to imbibe him lol.
Makes sense ,it would be Pisces/Neptune.


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posted October 01, 2010 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I have an idea. Someone can put up a song they are stumped on.
That will make it more interesting--I think--cuz we have had so many threads with music.

I am looking for one I am stumped on.Please, anyone ,put up one you want to discuss

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posted October 01, 2010 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Ami,

same thought here, too. Neptune, but probably mixed with Saturn (the melancholic, bitter note).


Maybe a triple aspect of Moon, Saturn and Neptune?

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posted October 01, 2010 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I KNEW you would add the unseen to the story, DD

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posted October 01, 2010 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I am trying to discern the Saturn in there.
Would it be "I could drink a case of you and STILL BE ON MY FEET"

Would that be it cuz she knows the Neptune will really not work?

Please, elaborate on your reasoning, if you could, DD.
I knew that the song SEEMED to be an obvious Neptune but there were parts that seemed to be other things.

You got the Saturn in "Poison". That helped me understand Saturn so much more.
That is why I wanted to ask you about this song lol

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posted October 01, 2010 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9q4nnE0RXE

Neptune I think, with a bit of Jupiter maybe?

How about these?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78aMSrwtoMg


Baby we can talk all night
But that ain't gettin us nowhere
I told you everything I possibly can
There's nothing left inside of here

And maybe you can cry all night
But that'll never change the way I feel
The snow is really piling up outside
I wish you wouldn't make me leave here

I poured it on and I poured it out
I tried to show you just how much I care
I'm tired of words and I'm too hoarse to shout

But you've been cold to me so long
I'm crying icicles instead of tears
And all I can do
Is keep on telling you

I want you (I want you)
I need you (I need you)
But-there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you
Now don't be sad (Don't be sad)
'Cause two out of three ain't bad

Now don't be sad (Cause)
'Cause two out of three ain't bad

You'll never find your gold on a sandy beach
You'll never drill for oil on a city street
I know you're looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks
But there ain't no Coup de Ville
Hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box

I can't lie
I can't tell you that I'm something I'm not
No matter how I try
I'll never be able
To give you something
Something that I just haven't got

There's only one girl that I will ever love
And that was so many years ago
And though I know I'll never get her out of my heart
She never loved me back
Ooh I know

I remember how she left me on a stormy night
She kissed me and got out of our bed
And though I pleaded and I begged her not to walk out that door
She packed her bags and turned right away
And she kept on telling me
She kept on telling me
She kept on telling me
I want you (I want you)
I need you (I need you)
But there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you
Now don't be sad (Don't be sad)
'Cause two out of three ain't bad
I want you (I want you)
I need you (I need you)
But there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you
Now don't be sad (Don't be sad)
'Cause two out of three ain't bad
Now don't be sad (Don't)
'Cause two out of three ain't bad
Baby we can talk all night
But that ain't getting us nowhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr7mu5RUNyk
I Know I have already posted it somewhere, so how about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjA3rZ9cL2o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vDlYcilQw


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Ami Anne
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posted October 01, 2010 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I don't "get" the Neptune/Jupiter one.How is it Jupiter, DD, please?

I am going out and will listen to the other one when I get back.

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posted October 01, 2010 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I wasn`t completely sure about the Jupiter from the start, so we might just scratch it.
I was thinking because of the emphasis on faith it could be a jupiter thing, but of course Neptune has a lot of faith, too.

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posted October 01, 2010 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
For the Meatloaf one, I'd say Chiron-Jupiter along with Moon-Saturn.

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posted October 01, 2010 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Chiron I agree with, Jane. Why Jupiter?
And wouldn´t there be a more emotional / romantic energy there, too?

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posted October 01, 2010 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Oh you edited.
Compltely agree now, Jane.

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posted October 01, 2010 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, you heard my thoughts. On second thought, I added in Moon-Saturn.

Jupiter bc it seems like he's making the most out of what he can be.

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posted October 01, 2010 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't watched all of the above, because my computer keeps restarting on me.. but that Two Out of Three Ain't Bad, gets to me if I'm not careful.

All Thieves ~ Turn and Turn Again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZFh1Gt6Ac

Worn from walking this far
So worn from talking this much
And what we found and what we've seen
As the road curves down
And the lights come up to meet us
Silent for the evening
We enter this town like new born creatures
Those I know O see a new
And the space between us is reduced
For I am human
And you are human too

So "turn and turn again"
We are calling in all the ships
Every traveller please come home
And tell us all that you have seen
Break every lock to every door
Return every gun to every draw
So we can turn, and turn again

Only priests and pounds can save us now
Only a sign from God
Or a hurricane can bring about
The change we all want
And we've done it again
This trick we have
Of turning love to pain
And peace to war
We're just ash in a jar

So turn and turn again
We are calling in all the ships
Every traveller please come home
And tell us all that you have seen
Break every lock to every door
Return every gun to every draw
So we can turn, and turn again

instrument

So turn and turn again
We are calling in all the ships
Every traveller please come home
And tell us all that you have seen

Break every lock to every door
Return every gun to every draw
So we can turn, and turn again


One part of it might be a retrograde, due to their coming back together again, in some way. It's obviously two people wanting to hold onto a relationship.

This one is about grief, someone beautiful and special to them, lost forever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e8GC9cW3nA

I just love the music to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64VBjxkTzBI More Oomph, Mars/Pluto.

Venus in Furs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzaifhSw2c

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posted October 01, 2010 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Ami,

the words in bold reminded me of Saturn.

Just before our love got lost you said
I am as constant as a northern star
And I said, constantly in the darkness
Where's that at?
If you want me I'll be in the bar

On the back of a carton coaster
In the blue TV screen light
I drew a map of Canada
Oh Canada
With your face sketched on it twice

Oh you're in my blood like holy wine
You taste so bitter and so sweet
Oh I could drink a case of you darling
And I would still be on my feet
Oh I would still be on my feet

Oh I am a lonely painter
I live in a box of paints
I'm frightened by the devil
And I'm drawn to those ones that ain't afraid
I remember that time that you told me, you said
Love is touching souls
Surely you touched mine
Cause part of you pours out of me
In these lines from time to time

Oh you're in my blood like holy wine
You taste so bitter and so sweet
Oh I could drink a case of you darling
Still I'd be on my feet
I would still be on my feet

I met a woman
She had a mouth like yours
She knew your life
She knew your devils and your deeds
And she said
Go to him, stay with him if you can
But be prepared to bleed

Oh but you are in my blood you're my holy wine
You're so bitter, bitter and so sweet
Oh I could drink a case of you darling
Still I'd be on my feet
I would still be on my feet

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posted October 01, 2010 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Teasel,

I thought that this Meatloaf song was just so heartbreaking in a quiet, yet definite way (so I thought Chiron made much sense ).
Also a very realistic view on himself, he knows his limits.
So sad

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posted October 01, 2010 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
Mumford & Sons
After The Storm


And after the storm,
I run and run as the rains come
And I look up, I look up,
on my knees and out of luck,
I look up.

Night has always pushed up day
You must know life to see decay
But I won't rot, I won't rot
Not this mind and not this heart,
I won't rot.

And I took you by the hand
And we stood tall,
And remembered our own land,
What we lived for.

And there will come a time, you'll see, with no more tears.
And love will not break your heart, but dismiss your fears.
Get over your hill and see what you find there,
With grace in your heart and flowers in your hair.

And now I cling to what I knew
I saw exactly what was true
But oh no more.
That's why I hold,
That's why I hold with all I have.
That's why I hold.

I will die alone and be left there.
Well I guess I'll just go home,
Oh God knows where.
Because death is just so full and mine so small.
Well I'm scared of what's behind and what's before.

And there will come a time, you'll see, with no more tears.
And love will not break your heart, but dismiss your fears.
Get over your hill and see what you find there,
With grace in your heart and flowers in your hair.

And there will come a time, you'll see, with no more tears.
And love will not break your heart, but dismiss your fears.
Get over your hill and see what you find there,
With grace in your heart and flowers in your hair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqUsAHTUPTU

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posted October 01, 2010 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
DD--Thank you for highlighting the Joni Mitchell song. That REALLY helps me get a sense of Saturn!

The Meatloaf one does not speak to me. I can see how she is giving HIM the Chiron wound in that she will never love him and she he will have a wound that never heals if he stays with her.


A Dangerous Game is powerful. I think it is an opposition. Pluto in opposition to the moon would be my guess. Venus is an amoral energy, according to Sasportas.
It wants it's own pleasure without "feelings" involved.
It wants beauty and the joy of sensation in an amoral way.
That is why I would say that" Dangerous Game" is a Pluto/moon opposition . The man would be Pluto and the woman the moon.

I am listening to the words again. I am convinced more that she is the moon. She is all about her feelings FOR him. It is not ,primarily, about seeking pleasure/beauty which is Venus.

She talks about looking in his eyes and how her feelings are so strong that they are spinning.


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posted October 01, 2010 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I could not get a sense of what aspect/planet "Alive" was.
What were you thinking, DD?

"Bring On the Men" has to be a female with Venus in Aries
Venus square Pluto can use people for their own gratification. up so I will add that aspect.
Perhaps she has a Leo ASC cuz I am told Leo ASC can be "all about me" which she seems to be.
She does not see men as people but as objects for her use.


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posted October 01, 2010 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I thought the woman in the Meatloaf song was being cold, because he doesn't love her in the way that she wants to be loved, and she's hurt, knowing that his heart is still with someone else (who will never be in his life, in the way that he wanted her to be). So, he's settling in a way - he cares for her, and wants her in his life, but isn't in love? Or he's afraid to feel that much again... I'll have to re-read, but that song breaks my heart.

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Teasel,

I thought that this Meatloaf song was just so heartbreaking in a quiet, yet definite way (so I thought Chiron made much sense ).
Also a very realistic view on himself, he knows his limits.
So sad


I see what you mean.. being on the receiving end of that sort of feeling, just - ouch. Not that I've been there completely, but I've sort of seen myself in that position - not trusting that anyone would really love me, in the way that other women are loved. That they would actually see me, and love me, instead of maybe settling. I don't know if I'm making sense.. but I have Chiron/Sun. At the same time, I know I deserve better (and could probably expect better, really - I'm not totally down on myself in that way), so I can see why she would be so cold.

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posted October 01, 2010 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
"she will never love him and she he will have a wound that never heals if he stays with her."
No, that is not the story, as I understand it.

At first he is talking to this girl he is with telling her that he is never going to love you, which is very wounding and hurtful for her. And you start believing that he is just an unfeeling guy, incapable of true emotional caring.
But then in the last stanza the reason for his inability to love her becomes apparent, His heart is already taken and broken by this other girl who didn`t love him back and thus left him.
So he is just doing to the first girl (in the song), what has been done to him once. I thought that was so sad.


Though I agree that Venus is much about pleasure and amoral energy, I disagree that she is without feelings.
Actualy I think that song displays Venus/Aphrodite-Pluto quite well.
Just listen to what she sings first:

" feel your fingers -
Cold on my shoulder -
Your chilling touch,
As it runs down my spine -
Watching your eyes
As they invade my soul -
Forbidden pleasures
I'm afraid to make mine.

At the touch of your hand -
At the sound of your voice -
At the moment your eyes meet mine -
I am out of my mind -
I am out of control -
Full of feelings I can't define!"


There is a strong emphasis on the physical / sensual, on touching. "forbidden pleasures" - that is Venus-Pluto par excellance.
The last line though could be Moon-related.

Actually a thought hit me just now, maybe it`s Pluto-Proserpina?
I can vividly picture her being in the underworld faced with its lord. lol

Anyway, "Alive" is very much Mars-Pluto-Nessus to me.

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posted October 01, 2010 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, bring on the men is very much Venus/Aphrodite, Mars, coupled with a slight Gemini / mercury influence. Just listen to the way she plays with words. Saying something, but meaning something slightly naughtier.

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posted October 01, 2010 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Teasel,

yes, exactly my sentiments about the song.

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