posted October 10, 2010 10:33 AM         

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I only ask one question about what was the indication about the move from Argentina to the states. I was not trYing to learn astrology with that question.

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Yes you were. For him to stop reading your chart to show you the SA to your ASC or MC by an outer planet through a conjunction, square, opposition, Sesquiquadrate or Quindecile along with accompanying transits and progressions of the Moon IS TEACHING YOU ASTROLOGY!! Actually it's teaching you rather advanced astrology, so once again, what mattered at that moment was that he was indicating a geographic relocation in relation to whatever issues you were there to discuss. If you wanted to know what patterns suggested the move, you should have asked him to have a lesson taught instead of a consultation.

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But like I said before I was very dissapointed, as much as he knows, that he could not see the marriage or the birth, that he thought it was a new job and a promotion.

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What is at the core of a "marriage" or "birth" is a strong shift in your status. For many people their marriages show up in the realm of the MC which also indicates changes in status, and when you cease to look at a marriage in terms of "idealism" and see it as a "business partnership" which it VERY OFTEN IS and is very wise to consider when getting married, he wasn't too far off the mark. He's an astrologer, not a psychic. Becomming a mother or a parent is also a status change, a promotion to parent and once again, an astrologer not a psychic.

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So I guess I will not relay very much in Solar Arcs, If Noel could not see the difference between a new job or a job promotion, with marriage and a birth I think I will stick with transits and progressions.

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To this I have tried my best to refrain from saying THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!

If the Soup Nazi is using salt as an ingredient in his soup, are you going to stop using it because he made you cry when you asked him for the recipe to his soup and he said, "NO!! NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU!!"

I don't know if you're familiar with the TV show "Seinfeld" because I just quoted from it, but there is a character based on a real soup shop owner in New York City. He gets very angry when customers don't know what they want when they when they arrive at the top of the line. Then if they ask him what ingredients are in his soup, he sends them off the line and says, "No more soup for you!" And you are banned from having soup there for a week. LOOOOOL!!!

His soup is the best in the city and people end up coming back. I'm just trying to say to you, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Noel Tyl did NOT invent Solar Arcs as an astrological tool or technique so there's no need for you to stop relying on them, that would be a terrible mistake for your astrological education. You already seem to be pretty skilled at it.

I am also an Aries Sun and a Cancer Moon so I understand. Kindness matters and I apologize for calling you stupid, I don't like doing that and I'm sorry that you consultation with Noel was less than "stellar", but I had to question your motives in coming to THIS site to trash his name behind a moniker that is not YOUR real name. You could have gone to his site that has a fantastic discussion forum and told him there, so I also find that behavior to be somewhat cowardly.

Last but not least, if you're going to make a complaint about someone, make sure you spell his name correctly. It's "Tyl" not "Til".

posted October 10, 2010 03:40 PM         

Why I put this tread up because I felt I had to vent, like everybody does once in a while I can talk because it happen to me.

I call him a jerk and he was, I did not said, he does not know what he is talking about he was in a hurry why I don't have any idea, but for you to imply that I am a lier or a coward, you should not assume things about anybody that you don't know.

Also it is childish that you mention I wrote his last name wrong, I did that because the i and the y are very close to each other and it was a typo.

I already talk a lot about this, I am not going to go crazy because you think I had an ulterior motive I have never call you a name and you have without all the facts.
You can think wathever you want, as you already have done.

Life is a beautiful thing, and should not be
wasted in very trivial things or name calling.

posted October 10, 2010 04:10 PM         

btw i kinda regressed my dad a month ago at lunch and he gave me a rough birth-time within a 30 minute window so this info you've just posted is really helpful for me to double check my rectification was accurate

posted October 11, 2010 12:11 AM         

Then a week went by and I had the appoitment
with him, we started the reading he asked
if my father was an absentee father, I said yes, he ask if may childwood was very unhappy I said yes, the next question was what happen to me when I was fourteen, because I had been very sad and angry I said my family and I move from Argentina to USA.

Then he said that the corrected time was 1.48 pm

posted October 11, 2010 01:52 AM         

That, and the way GV, a student/disciple, viciously attacked a dissatisfied customer says much about the man.

ugh.

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...when I made the appointment...

Then a week went by and I had the appoitment[reading]

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posted October 11, 2010 03:31 AM         

I'll make an appointment with him today.

Ami,

posted October 11, 2010 08:44 AM         

She still hasn't put up her chart.

She also says she's venting, well, that's a two way street.

I'm venting, too.

She didn't hear what she wanted to hear. She wanted cash and prizes and she didn't get it. She named the Arcs she said she could see coming down the pike in April and May of next year and she asked him if some "good sex or money" was coming into her life and he said, "No!" He said a job was coming. Did she not read and learn the parts of the book that taught her about house rulerships and that Sun=Moon or Uranus=Venus will not automatically bring love and sex into your life if they don't rule the houses associated with relationships?

When people don't get the "wish fulfillment" reading or the "good news reading" they feel disappointed. I do, too.

That's all this DISCIPLE has to say on the subject. Please, by all means, continue your much needed venting...

posted October 11, 2010 06:31 PM         

I made an appointment with Noel today after I finally got through. I will ring him on Sunday morning at 8:30am which is 2:20pm Saturday for him I think.

posted October 11, 2010 10:37 PM         

You also said that if I dish it, I should be able to take too, I don't have a problem with taking it, is the way you go about, we can have total different opinnions about somenthing or somebody, we could have discuss things, but you came out and attack me for no reason.

You insulted me (liar, coward and stupid)so far the only thing I said about you is that you are (childish)
I guess you don't know how to discuss things without insulting, typical Aries behavior (I can say things about Aries I am one)

I will not put up with a person like you, who does not know what happend, but keeps assuming the worst, especially the fact that you do not know me.

I did not wanted to talked about my private life, that's why I did not put my birth information.

But I will explain, I call Noel because in a few months I will have progessions and S/A
coming up, that I was not sure about.
I said at the beginning of this tread, that I was looking about sex and money, because that is what most people are looking
for.

I did not wanted to talk about health because I consider that very private but I am not going to let my self be insulted.

In March 2007 I was diagnose with Kidney cancer, in May 4th I had my left kidney remove.
That was my concern and why I wanted a reading.

The Moon is my chart ruler in the 6th house.
Around May or June it will be square my Asc
by progression and square Uranus ruler of my 8th. Uranus by transit will be conjunct my progess Moon.

Also my mother has move to my house. she is 83 years old and with health issues.
Venus is ruler of my 4th house
Venus/Uranus ruler of my 8th oppose my natal Moon.

I was telling Noel about my mother who has some kind of dementia, first thing he said was that I should put my mother in a institution, because I should live my life to me that was uncall for because I did not ask for advice or an opinion.

The other thing that got me, was telling me about the change in jobs and yes I know that when there are a few transits, progressions or S/A involving the MC it could be marriage because it is showing the change in your life, his words were you should not have marriage it is not mark in your chart.

The next thing was, that we were talking about my second marriage and he said that I was having lots of problems around the years 83, 84, 85 (witch I did) and that probably a got divorce about that time, I then told him that I got a second baby in 1987 and my divorce was in 1998, guess what he said I should have divorce him sooner because it was mark in my chart.

According to him if it was not mark I should have not marry and the second time because it was mark I should have divorce him sooner, I guess my second child did not matter.

That's why I consider him a jerk.
Another thing he said was that he saw money for me and he even ask if my mother could leave some, I said no, so I ask if there were some problems with my mother health and he said not, then why would he ask about money from my mother.

He also mention from August to October there could be some romance and that my heath was good at this time.

So it was not that I did not get the reading that I was hopping for, it was the way he says things that are very infuriating, they are like insulting.

I hope GV that you understand, why I am upset.

He probably was a very good teacher, but he is not a very pleasant human being. I did not nead his advice or opinions some many years after the fact.

If somebody wants to do my chart here is my information, do not know how to put it up

posted October 12, 2010 12:27 AM         

I admit that I have behaved childishly during our exchange and that's not how I generally behave (although some people here will say, "I've seen GV let loose from time to time"). But I'm not quite sure that I want to apologize for my childish behavior because my "opinion" is that your initial post that, rightfully, expressed your disappointment, was presented in a way that purposely "publically" humiliated another astrologer that I happened to know and I think that's just as childish.

There are many people on this forum who have complained about having horrible experiences with astrologers and they might reveal the person's name, but I haven't seen it with my own eyes.

This is one of the top astrological websites in the world and Noel is one of the top astrologers in the world. The temptation to out him as less knowledgeable than he appears to be in his books must have been overwhelming to you after he treated you in a less than friendly manner so you expressed your disappointment here for the world to see. It's been done before and will probably be done again many times by others, however, once in a while you have to be prepared for someone to call you out on your own behavior.

My "opinion" is that it is cowardly (and just as childish) to out someone else's behavior attaching their real name to the post while you get to hide behind an alias. I repeat, in this day and age it's done all the time, but that doesn't make it any more right or fair. That's my opinion.

One thing I'm glad about is that you finally have gone in depth about the entire session instead of a few small paragraphs. It gives a more round picture of what actually occurred during the consultation instead of coming across as sounding like "here say" which is what I did to you by "assuming" that you were the same person who posted last year with the same type of complaint. It glossed over all of the correct and powerful parts of the consultation by focusing in on the two parts that he trivialized. Now, I don't mean to insinuate that any of your children or marriages were trivial, I really don't, but sorting out events in the past (along with his opinion about when he thought you should divorce,etc.) in the grand scheme of that part of the consultation, it's sounds like he was trying to speed through to get to the present to deal with your health issues, etc. in the present. My opinion is that he was glossing over those events, they're over now, in the past, let's hurry up and get to NOW (that kind of attitude).

I could be wrong, I wasn't there.

I could see if the marriage was coming up and he didn't see it, or if you were pregnant NOW and he didn't see it, then that would be a little strange. Once again, it's all my opinion. But we "both" have to realize that the nature of the internet and these discussion forums sometimes compel us to arguing and immaturity from time to time. Uranus rules the internet, immaturity, insanity, etc. and I'll admit I get sucked into it from time to time and this was one of those times.

I agree that we should both agree to disagree on items we...just won't...agree with. Most of the time this is a peaceful and loving discussion forum so I'll just end it with peace and a wish for your continued healing and good health.

posted October 12, 2010 01:00 AM         

I understand where you were coming from, you were defending your friend or your teacher.

I totally understand you, don't forget my Aries Sun and my Cancer As. we usually run to defend our friends.
I also have Moon in Sag so usually I will tell everything, but since 2007 I been very
close mouth about health issues.

But I am glad that finally we understand ech other.