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ariescancer
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posted October 09, 2010 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
Today I had a reading with Noel Til.

It was so dissapointing, according to him I did not have any solar arcts showing my first marriage, the same thing with my second one.

Then he ask if I had a promotion or a raise in this year and month, what happen was I had my first son.

Then he mention that I had a lots of problems in my marriage If my divorce was in such a date, which a said it happen like 13 years latter, then he goes you should have divorced him much sooner because it is not mark with the arcs, he never told me about the birth of my second son.

Then I ask somenthing and he told me, he was not about to teach me astrology, he acted like a jerk and he charge me $ 180.00 for 1/2 hour.

Has somebody here had any experience like this with an astrologer?

Please let me know.

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lotion
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posted October 09, 2010 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message
wow... that's very disappointing indeed and for that much money :S

I've consulted with two astrologers so far. One of them is quite subjective and urges me to take the RIGHT action but we all now that's not possible most of the time or else we'd all be living perfect lives. I really admire her straightforwardness and her blunt tell it like it is spirit. I believe her sun is in saggitarius in my first house.
The other one provides much more detailed analysis of my chart itself and i find her to be more precise with timing and helpful in a completely different way. Her sun is in my 9th conjunct my midheaven in virgo.

I'm sorry to hear this ariescancer...
I wonder what kind of synastry you have with him. Or maybe he's having an off day or something...

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ariescancer
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posted October 09, 2010 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for the replay, our synastry is :
We have the same Asc, Moon trine Sun, Trine Venus, trine Moon and trine Mercury but we also have Pluto square from Cancer to all of my planets in Aries.

Maybe next time before I get a reading I will make sure of our synastry.

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Fairy Sparkles
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posted October 09, 2010 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fairy Sparkles     Edit/Delete Message
İ have rung him before for a reading too but when I went to book it he was rude so I hung up on him. Obviously he isn't that great either because how can someone not see arcs when someone gets married or has a child. Lol @ him telling you that you shouldve divorced him earlier. Did he give you any accurate info?

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Fairy Sparkles
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posted October 09, 2010 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fairy Sparkles     Edit/Delete Message
Is your time of birth accurate?

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Lonake
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posted October 09, 2010 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Well I have no reason to think you're making this up, so I have to say I am sorry you experienced that
His terse remark may be due to the fact that he wanted to get the reading over with as he kept missing the mark?
Anyway, yes, for instance one was just looking at my mercury and stating that i must have excellent recall. i could tell she didnt really know her stuff because Moon is also related to memory, and Moon/Pluto, which i have, is notorious for losing *years* of memory, and this is me, i will lose a year here, another couple there, my childhood is almost a complete blur, I'm talking 11 years here that I could hardly tell you what happened.
But $180.00 for an uninsightful half hour? I would call my bank and initiate a dispute, lol.

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racole12
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posted October 09, 2010 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
That's awful. Sorry to hear

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ariescancer
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posted October 09, 2010 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
Fairy Sparkles, he did ask what happen to me when I was 14 years old because he said it was a very sad time for me, that was when my family and I came to the USA, that was correct, another thing he said was that I had a very hunhappy childhood, that was also true and he also told me about the problems that I had with my husband and then he said that I probably divorce him about that time and I told him not my divorce was about 12 years latter, then he said I should have divorce him at that time.

He was wrong about the divorce for a period of 12 o 13 years.

I can see both of my marriages with transits and progressions, he told me the right time of birth was 12.48, I had about 12.51pm.

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ariescancer
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posted October 09, 2010 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
Another thing he forgat was to tell me about my second child.

I had call him because, I have around April or May, Solar Arc Sun conjuct Uranus oppose natal Moon and also Solar Arc Venus conjuct Uranus oppose Moon, I told him I thought that I was going to find good sex or money he said that I was wrong it is going to be related to a job.

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted October 09, 2010 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
AriesCancer,

This sounds eerily familiar, like you posted this about a year or two ago. When I responded to you, you never came back to respond. The way you write, you present the situation like you were expecting him to entertain you by seeing everything. What was your goal or your purpose in going to see him or speaking to him? Why was it important to you that he see your marriage or your divorce without having a discussion about these topics. Your post seems very one sided and designed to ruin his reputation. Why don't you tell the whole story?

You did post this already, why do it again?

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Knowflake

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posted October 09, 2010 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
P.S. Why don't you post your chart. There are many very skilled astrologers here who are good at Solar Arcs. Give them a try.

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ariescancer
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posted October 09, 2010 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
Gv, this is the first time that I post this I talk to Noel today, and this is the first time that I talk about this.

I love his books, that was why I am very dissapointed in what he told me, like he said that my marriage was not showing or my son I do not have any reason to try to talk bad about this person.

Also I have never talk with you about this before, the reason why I had the talk with him, is because I have a few solar arcs than I wanted to know about it.

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ariescancer
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posted October 09, 2010 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
GV I did not expected him to tell me my life story, but I think that marriage is important and the birth of a son is super important.

So I was like if he can't see the marriage or the birth maybe he was to much in a hurry.

Like I said before I have 2 of his books and I thought that they were very good.

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posted October 09, 2010 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Why don't you post your chart or birth data. Fairy Sparkles asked you if you have your correct birth time, that makes a huge difference. I've had clients with birth times that were off and it throws off the whole reading if the ASC and MC are off as well as midpoints that include the ASC, MC, and Moon. If the birth time is off, the house rulerships will be off, thus his telling you that the SA's dealing with your Sun=Moon or Venus=Uranus is about your job and not a love interest coming in. That seems like the difference between 10th House and 11th House issues depending on the overlay of your chart.

I ask all of these questions because I studied with Noel Tyl and I understand that he can be impatient but he has full command of his faculties and is an incredibly intelligent and skilled astrologer who has added a tremendous amount to the literature. You say you didn't want to tarnish his reputation, but take a look at your original post again. Whether it was him or not, you're shouting out another astrologer (or simply a person) because you were not pleased by your reading. Did he purposely try to mislead you? Did he promise you that you'd be a millionaire? He could have lied to you and said, "OK, you're right, love is coming into your life." when that's not what he was seeing, because it's rather easy to do that in this business, but he didn't do that. Your intention here is to inform people that he sucks as an astrologer and it's just not true.

I'd really love to see your chart and here how you know your birth time is correct, etc. I'm just saying, present the full story. Present your chart so we can see what he saw.

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Fairy Sparkles
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posted October 09, 2010 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fairy Sparkles     Edit/Delete Message
GV

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posted October 09, 2010 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Fairy Sparkles,

It's just that I find it strange that the openning of this thread is almost identical to whomever posted the first time. It started off by the person saying that Noel couldn't find their first marriage and divorce and how important that was to them.

I know that Noel can be incredibly brusk, he has the attitude of an incredibly fussy professor. He's had a life long career as an opera singer and he teaches his course like he's teaching opera and if you've ever seen movies where opera singers are learning or even movies depicting ballet instructors, they are an incredibly tough breed, but the man is no idiot. He's quite a handful when it comes to being commanding, but most geniuses are hard to tolerate.

Now, I hear myself. I know what it's like to feel unsatisfied with a service, but this is just too eerie. It just sounds like a grudge is being held. In that case, there's really nothing anyone can do about it.

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belgz
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posted October 10, 2010 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
I think sometimes you need more than half an hour too. If I remember correctly he asks for a few specific events so he can rectify your time to the minute.

When I rang him it was 6am over there (not considering the time difference from Aus) and he was on the phone with someone and was very impatient too like you said lol.

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belgz
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posted October 10, 2010 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry had to change usernames I hate my new name.

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posted October 10, 2010 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Belgz,

LOOOOOL!! I do like your new name, but I fully understand.

It's kind of funny, the guy is really TOUGH BIRD!! I know first hand, when he's disappointed you feel like The Great and Powerful Oz has just amped up the fire in the furnace, seriously, but when he pounds those astrological skills into your head, they are there FOOOOORRRREEEEVVVVEEEEEEEERR!! It's kind of like one of your parents telling you, "Now don't embarrass me!!" before they send you out into the world. And you know when your parents mean business.

Anyway, everyone has there experiences, not only that, he charges $180 for 45 minutes or more time if needed. It's not for 30 minutes.

OK, now I have to go to bed. Have a great night.

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ariescancer
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posted October 10, 2010 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
GV, I do not lie, we started the reading at 9.00 am October the 9th and he was finished at 9.30.

About the time, Noel was the one that told me the time, when I talk to him to ask for an appointment I told him that my birth time was between 12.45 pm and 1.51 pm.
When we started the reading, he ask me a few things while he was working, like I said before, he was right about the move we did with my family to USA and that my childhood was vey unhappy.
Then he ask me when If when I was about 18 years If I had change my work, the date was the month and the year of my marriage when I told him that, he said I should had not married because it was not mark.
Then for the date that my first son was born he ask if I got a raised or a prize or a promotion, that was what I could not understand, I can see the marriage and the birth with transits and progressions I thought that Solar Arcs were very good especially when we are talking about things that are very
important like marriage or birth.

Again I have never said any thing about him in another tred. The only person that I have talk about my chart was Tim in Soul mates and he was perfect.

This is the first time that I iniciated a tread, I do not post that much, and when I do it is to replay to what other pedople have said.

I am a grown up person and I do not say things just because...

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posted October 10, 2010 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Hello AriesCancer,

Thank you for coming back with the entire story. I apologize for implying that you lied, it just seemed so familiar because someone did the same thing last year. I believe you're telling the truth.

However, your full disclosure brings to light that Mr. Tyl was forced to "rectify" the birth time of your chart in addition to giving you a reading. Chart rectification is a whole other service in itself. What he usually does, with a client who DOES NOT have an exact birth time available, is offers to rectify your chart and if he can do it to accuracy within a 15 or 20 minute period of time, he will not charge you for the rectification. He probably assumed he had the correct time during the initial questioning process, but if he had to go on rectifying past 20 minutes, then he charges a large fee. Does this sound familiar?

I'm not going to assume what your conversation was with him around this, and that is probably why the reading time was so short as well. To come to an astrologer wanting a Solar Arc reading without having a correct birth time and expecting the astrologer to rectify your chart and read it all within 45 minutes time is heavy burden to place on any astrologer. I shouldn't say that you did this, because I don't know, but a picture of what could have occurred is forming here.

That is why "Fairy Sparkles" and I both pushed you to tell us if you had the correct birth time. If you are studying Noel's books you should know just how important the birth time is. I don't know which books of his you have, I have almost all of them and in each one he stresses over and over again that the correct birth time is needed.

Perhaps you should have just asked for a chart rectification and paid the full price for that and then paid full price for a reading separately.

Actually, none of us "should" have to do anything, but before you begin to publically criticize someone, it's best for everyone to have the full story. In this case, it wasn't completely his fault. An hour and five minutes time span to give an astrologer for possible birth time is a large span of time.

As for him not answering astrological questions, I do the same thing. Having your chart read should be about the issues you're dealing with and getting the astrologer's insight that he/she receives from the symbol patterns. After all he's a consultant and a teacher and he charges separately to teach (believe me, I know) so I can understand why he would say that to you. It's like asking your heart surgeon to teach you how to operate. Sorry, you have to go to medical school for that.

Anyway, I'm sorry for both of you because if he had been given the proper amount of time to rectify your chart to the "real correct time" you could have had one of the greatest astrological consultations of your entire life.

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posted October 10, 2010 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
GV, I am glad that you understand, where I was coming from, he retified the birth time and did the reading in 30 minutes, the time that I had was between 12.45, and 12,51 Noel said that the time was 12.48 I think that it is the right time, because he told me when my family and I came to USA, and about my childhood

I only ask one question about what was the indication about the move from Argentina to the states. I was not tring to learn astrology with that question.

He could have said the same thing but nicer.
But I don't have a problem with that, after all I am a very strong person.

I think he knows a lot, I have 2 of his books: Solar Arcs and Astrology of Intimacy
Sexuality & Relationship and like them. That was the reason that I wanted the reading.

But like I said before I was very dissapointed, as much as he knows, that he could not see the marriage or the birth, that he thought it was a new job and a promotion.

So I guess I will not relay very much in Solar Arcs, If Noel could not see the difference between a new job or a job promotion, with marriage and a birth I think I will stick with transits and progressions.

Thank you very much for giving me the time to explain my self.

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posted October 10, 2010 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
GV, I am glad that you understand, where I was coming from, he retified the birth time and did the reading in 30 minutes, the time that I had was between 12.45, and 12,51 Noel said that the time was 12.48 I think that it is the right time, because he told me when my family and I came to USA, and about my childhood

I only ask one question about what was the indication about the move from Argentina to the states. I was not tring to learn astrology with that question.

He could have said the same thing but nicer.
But I don't have a problem with that, after all I am a very strong person.

I think he knows a lot, I have 2 of his books: Solar Arcs and Astrology of Intimacy
Sexuality & Relationship and like them. That was the reason that I wanted the reading.

But like I said before I was very dissapointed, as much as he knows, that he could not see the marriage or the birth, that he thought it was a new job and a promotion.

So I guess I will not relay very much in Solar Arcs, If Noel could not see the difference between a new job or a job promotion, with marriage and a birth I think I will stick with transits and progressions.

Thank you very much for giving me the time to explain my self.

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britterfly
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posted October 10, 2010 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for britterfly     Edit/Delete Message
That guy sounds like a big-headed jerk. People like that are too wrapped up in their own egos to see anything truthful. I wouldn't listen to a word he says.

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belgz
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posted October 10, 2010 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
I wonder what his chart looks like . I might try and find it

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