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Topic: mars saturn aspects and control/abuse
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 51177
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 15, 2010 04:17 PM
  
You know, IQ, when you said "Add a pinch of Narcissim" that HIT me cuz it is so true.
You need to have a sense that you are "great".
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scrappydog
Knowflake Posts: 1061
From: Texas
Registered: May 2009
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posted October 15, 2010 04:57 PM
Yes I make excuses for him and many others I think because I have a lot of pluto and saturn and tend to be a little dark and problematic myself.
Me attracting abusers is from the nessus squaring my sun pluto conj? This is fascinating, I never knew much about nessus, not a lot of info available and I always just contributed this to pluto on my sun(the significator of men). Yes that was me that used to cut, I was almost addicted to it at one dark point in my life, it was usually over men or an abusive relationship I was in.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 51177
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 15, 2010 06:50 PM
Dear Scrappy
I have heard that people cut when they are numb and want to "feel"
I can relate to the pain you are expressing 
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PlutoSquared
Newflake Posts: 0
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Registered: May 2013
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posted October 16, 2010 11:27 PM
Scrappydog,I can relate to your situation, because I was in a relationship very much like yours. I also too was a target for abusers until I actually had to come face to face with the abuse and make a choice. I was either going to let that dark abusive demonic person ruin me beyond repair, control me, and also destroy the ones that loved me, or I was going to fight as hard as hell to get away - and make sure I would NEVER be in that place again. I hope you're able to get away from your relationship before you become a hollow "host" for a parasitic and dark abusive human being. They will leave you high and dry once they are done taking all of your light and positive energy. You need to learn to trust your gut above all else. There's a reason you're suspicious, but there's also a reason you won't commit to getting away. That's what you need to really figure out... why let yourself be put into a vulnerable position with a suspicious character... in spite of all of the attraction and addiction to pain and sexuality... Why are you not committed to your OWN survival? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 51177
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 17, 2010 08:28 AM
I know that is an easy question to ask, Pluto Squared.
The answer is not that easy or there would be no addictions/suicides and other self destructive behavior.
As I slowly pull myself up from the morass, I have so much respect for people who do things that are hurtful to themselves.
I am one so I can talk from experience.
It is not a simple thing to get over it.
It is a climbing up from the layers of despair,overcoming ONE distortion at a time.
People are in a morass cuz they had to go there to save their lives.
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PlutoSquared
Newflake Posts: 0
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Registered: May 2013
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posted October 17, 2010 01:34 PM
Ami,I know it's not easy, because I've been there. But, it really does come down to making a choice to not repeat your patterns. The trick is getting so sick of the same pattern, the pain, and all the confusion, and deciding to make the leap forward. You can choose to muck around in it for a lifetime, or you can be free. Scrappydog and other women need the stark reality not a catering to their "unhealthy" thoughts and addictions. That will only leave people vulnerable to very real predators out there. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Newflake Posts: 0
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Registered: May 2013
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posted October 17, 2010 01:47 PM
Only the truth will set you free.I would rather have the truth any day of the week, rather than a group of sympathizers to sit pat me on the back when I'm doing something self-destructive, giving me no real tools to get better. That's almost as sick as the abuse itself. I'm suspicious of people who cater to others dysfunctions, because it's almost like an unhealthy enabling relationship there... if you ever watch intervention, the people who want to help their loved ones have to be very solidified in their decision to make the addict get help - the ones who want to "help" the addict (the enablers) do more harm than good, and often will get a good lecturing and a trip to a clinic themselves for coursework on co-dependency. IP: Logged |
iQ
Moderator Posts: 4624
From: Chennai, India
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 17, 2010 02:16 PM
Scrappy, just go through the "Sociopathy" thread you created a few months ago, I have written a virtual thesis on Nessus afflictions there. You are now aware of this aspect, now the truth will set you free. Ami, that is a new insight about "cutting" to re-start feeling. It could explain the violence pattern in sex as well in men and women with afflicted charts. If a self hypnosis/fantasy technique could be developed and taught to replace an actual abusive guy, then the girls with afflictions will feel great sex with Mr. Sweet Nice & Caring guy itself. Tons of broken homes and painful experiences can be prevented if the "violence" circuit can be bypassed in sex. Plutosquared, that is an excellent point on people who cater to other's dysfunctions just to maintain dependency. IP: Logged |
scrappydog
Knowflake Posts: 1061
From: Texas
Registered: May 2009
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posted October 17, 2010 08:07 PM
Ok thanx IQ and everyone else I'll go back and take a look at that!IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 51177
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 17, 2010 08:29 PM
Well, Scrappy, you know how people will "like" crisis.
It is cuz crisis can be the ONLY time they feel cuz they are so numb.
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iQ
Moderator Posts: 4624
From: Chennai, India
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2010 06:22 AM
Simplest way to understand Mars square Saturn.Dr.Saturn to "Patient" Mars: "I will cure your erectile dysfunction right away but the side effect is Celibacy...."
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