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scrappydog
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posted October 13, 2010 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you generally say that these people have the potential to be abusive or controlling in personal relationships? My new man has mars in scorpio opposing saturn in taurus exact and forming a t square with his moon and he says he is very jealous and wants to control at times, he also has venus and jupiter in scorpio too in his 8th house. He's a cappy sun and aqua moon with aries rising. We've only been together barely a month and he doesn't want me hanging out with over half of my friends, he even texted one without telling me and told them to leave me alone, he has to be around me all the time or calling. I like him a lot and don't want to jump to conclusions. What concerns me is his temper and that his exact mars saturn opposition falls almost exactly conj my ac dc, with his saturn on my asc and his mars on my dc, I'm wondering if it falling so powerfully on my chart would bring it out in him even more??

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Ami Anne
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posted October 13, 2010 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My intuition,and not the aspects, is that he has a choice.
Don't panic on the aspects.
Trust your heart. Let your heart go slowly and try to listen .

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posted October 13, 2010 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have mars conjunct saturn in scorpio in the 10th house. i find tht this aspect makes me more disciplined in going after what i want. i'll always win because i hold out and will out wait everyone!

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posted October 13, 2010 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's really troubling. And it's doubly troubling because he realizes that he's controlling but he doesn't seem to be doing anything to resist it.

He's bad news.

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posted October 13, 2010 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with amowls 100%. I'm really bothered by the arrogance of him texting your friend to leave you alone. That speaks volumes. He took a liberty and he thinks your freedom is not as important as his need to control. He could end up being like the husband in that movie with Julia Roberts, Sleeping with the Enemy.

Here you are having a red flag waved at you in the first month. That's a lucky turn of events, because you're not in so deep that you can't separate.

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posted October 13, 2010 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is going to be blunt.

He has already admitted to you in the first month:

1. That he is controlling.
2. That he is jealous.
3. That he has a temper.

Believe him. My suggestion is for you to listen to your intuition, your "gut" feeling, and run now, before you "fall" any deeper into it. The longer you stay, the more invested you become, and the harder it is to leave.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I'm speaking from experience here. I wish I had listened to my family and friends who warned me how my life would be with my ex-husband. Controlling, jealous, bad temper. You learn how to "walk on eggshells".

And you know what? They were spot on with how my life turned out. And I will never get those years back.

Is that how you really want to spend your life?

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posted October 13, 2010 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeleah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
also know that someone's saturn conjuncting your ascendant...it's fate trying to teach you a lesson and it isn't always nice..it's binding..so be careful! I have this with my ex bf and it is hard getting him out of my life...or um, perhaps that's the venus retrograde.
idk.

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posted October 14, 2010 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mars saturn is part of it,

but its the ARIES asc that likes to lead, and be independant,

and its the venus scorpio that wants control too.

his mars-saturn just wants authority and respect if anything is to do with being controlling in that aspect.

as far as abuse goes, its possible thats more so the mars-saturn aspect,

because mars-saturn was authority and respect in its hands, it WILL give its self a will of iron. willfully a ruthless energy if what it wants means that much to it.

saturn is a mars that burners hotter for longer.


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posted October 14, 2010 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
) I have Mars Square Saturn and I do want to be in control, but over MYSELF and my own life. I've learned that I can't change the other person or who choose to hang out with (of course, I'm not saying you have bad friends...lol).


I'm probably gonna get sh%t for this, but I think its inherent nature of his Scorpio Mars? Its obsessive, but the affliction from saturn probably what makes it so extrovertedly worse. I've just had/witnessed alot of bad scenarios with this Mars placement that sound eerily similar to yours.

Bottom line, just listen to everyone else. He's already admitted to this, so I would be finding the exit now. :S

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posted October 14, 2010 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
100% agree with Amowls, Crabby and VIG.

The last thing a Starseed type like you need is a sociopath. Did you read your thread on Sociopathy?

Mars opp Saturn should not be that bad but the T-Square is making it very bad. Aqua Moon in such a man can make him dissociate and detach from sadistic, abusive actions. He can guiltlessly beat you up if his mental condition deteriorates. The Aries Rising is a saving grace but Capricorn Sun with Mars-Saturn affliction needs a long time to heal. He may become a great guy after 50
but right now, even without a Nessus and Neptune affliction, this guy is bad news.

My bigger concern is why such a man came into your life. Why have you not been able to attract someone with many pleasant trines or a marketing job in Apple or Microsoft or jolly good aspects without sociopathic hangups? What is the unlearnt lesson that is repeating harsher themes or patterns and preventing abundance of unconditional love?

You deserve much better and must attract much better. Being happy is a birthright.
I think you have not fully unlocked the lessons of your Natal Chart. Some overlooked transit?

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posted October 14, 2010 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I agree with most of you here and I do have a tendency to attract sociopaths, I was raised around two so maybe this has something to do with my upbringing. It seems every man I seriously get with is a sociopath. I was wondering if this man was also, but I didn't just want to come out and say it because it didn't seem fair so soon. He has also been in prison before. I think I'll just keep my eyes wide open with this one..

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posted October 14, 2010 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scrappy,

You don't even have to look at the astrology.

He told you the words with his own mouth.

All of my older relatives told me "A person will tell you who they are. Listen to them."

Really, you already know enough astrology to see it. You said it all in your first post here. I'm glad he told you the truth about himself so run.

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posted October 14, 2010 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just realized, I repeated everything the VIG said. So I wanted to give the credit to VIG and a shout out.

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posted October 14, 2010 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yikes. Run. Fast.

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"I think I'll just keep my eyes wide open with this one.."

well it's already been said, but he TOLD YOU SO HIMSELF...and if you are still wanting to "wait and see" i don't think your eyes are very wide open. the text bit when he barely knows you, the IMMEDIATE assumption of control over your life, that is very scary. what do you think is going to get BETTER with time?

i know someone involved with a saturn/asc synastry conjunction. i will just say that despite their being very good friends in MANY ways this is - or should be - a dealbreaker. the control issue is palpable. i don't THINK physical abuse is likely but there are plenty of other kinds of abuse all around us..so far they are still trying to get past it! but it looks unlikely...

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posted October 14, 2010 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the exact same advice I would give someone else so thanx to all u guys! My outrageous attraction to this insane man I cannot explain..

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posted October 14, 2010 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scrappydog,

Don't wait around to understand it. You can get away from the situation now and analyse it later.

None of us understands the meaning of life, but we don't wait around to understand the meaning of it in order to live.

Make your escape now, I don't want to read about you in the bad news section of the newspaper.

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scrappydog
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posted October 15, 2010 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geo, U r so right, smiles, Thanx cuz I don't wanna read about myself there either, lol!

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posted October 15, 2010 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just more on mars saturn... Also knew a sweet, but lazy sun in pisceas, moon in libra guy with mars conj saturn that sometimes went off on people though it was completely out of character for him. Not that all mars saturn is bad or violent, I know that it's not always.

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posted October 15, 2010 06:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scrappy

have you finished the relationship?

i have a bad feeling about it.

and probably you two have hard aspects between nessus/dejanira/mars/saturn ...right?

that guy seems to me like the men who suddently can go unstable and who know...abuse women in all ways if they feel they have to.


you´re lucky though...he showed himself to you in the 1st month so that you can kick him in the butt right away,before things get worse.

my feeling is that you attracted him into your life cause you still have issues with yourself. deep inside you probably dont feel you deserve real love?or you feel too insecure about it...being raised by two sociopaths...do explain why you keep attracting them into your life:you will only get the man of your dreams once you KNOW you deserve all the great things in life,and when you feel ready for it,loving yourself first and foremost above all else.


so please,finish that off,thank that the guy showed you the truth about it,and start your life purpose: happiness.

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posted October 15, 2010 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have no aspects between mars and saturn thank god and he treats me really good so far, he's very affectionate, but I wasn't born yesterday, aren't they all in the beginning? Let me look up nessus and dejainira. I have nessus sqaure my sun pluto conj 0 deg in my own chart, but I didn't use it in our synastry so now I'm curious..

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posted October 15, 2010 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok we have a venus nessus double whammy, the trine 0 deg and the square 2 deg. No major dejanira aspects though. we have sun conj moon 0 deg and saturn on the nodes which both can be a bit like glue and we get along really, really well. except of course when he gets jealous over seemingly nothing and I can feel it in the air around him, the energy just seems to radiate off of him.

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posted October 15, 2010 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceaneyes9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BAD NEWS

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Ami Anne
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posted October 15, 2010 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Scrappy
Describe each Nessus aspect in detail. What is from you to him and vice versa.
Add house and sign even though I am not that good with those lol

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posted October 15, 2010 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scrappy wrote:
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Let me look up nessus and dejainira. I have nessus sqaure my sun pluto conj 0 deg in my own chart,
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Bingo. Nessus sq Sun-Pluto is the aspect that attracts Sociopaths and abusers into your life.
Your body is probably turned on by the power and control exuded by the very strong, "bordering on abuse" type male animals even though your Higher Mind says no. This aspect wants to convince your subconscious Mind that only rough sex is good sex or sex with a potential abuser alone can bring pleasure.

If I remember right, you were having problems relating to self-mutilation by cuts in your teenaged life? This is another manifestation of a Nessus affliction to Sun, Self-Abuse.

Solution: Shift Consciousness from subconscious Self-Abuse to Conscious and Subconscious Self-Love [a pinch of Narcissism never hurteth thy Self-Esteem.]

Think: Would Minka Kelly settle for this man? Would Marissa Miller or Adriana Lima or Megan Fox or Giselle settle for this man? Why should you? Why should you settle for less? Why should you think less about yourself considering your spiritual evolution?

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