posted October 26, 2010 08:27 AM         

I was thinking about different control tactics cardinals use also -- just trying to go on past experiences...

Aries maintains a constant control of their own lives by doing things very quickly and taking decisions with not much forethought. No one else has the chance to say "hang on a second - maybe jumping out of an airplane with no parachute is not the best idea" because Aries has already done it and they didn't ask for a second opinion beforehand.

Capricorn controls through silence - pure silence. If you have ever been in a room with a Capricorn influenced person after an argument or problematic situation you would've probably noticed the temperature going way way way down as they stare you quietly with their icey cool eyes that say - I will never forget this for as long as we both shall live. I could almost call it control through silent, seemingly passive intimidation tactics.

Libra controls so well that you have no clue you're being controlled at all. You'll often think whatever Libra wanted was actually your own idea. I guess they control through that unmistakable Venusian charm. The Libran policy seems to be - 'you always get more bees with honey'.

Cancer controls through huge emotional outbursts. If you happen to be doing something that has upset a Cancer influenced person they will react dramatically and emotionally - either loudly or silently.. But in any case their reaction will leave you with a seriously annoying/unnerving memory and you won't want a repeat. In the future you will either agree to do everything Cancer wants as they want it - or - you'll completely avoid them. Not many people can take two of these drams in their life time - because they are very long lasting.

posted October 26, 2010 05:59 PM         

My rationale is that Cardinal wants to push forward in motion, to initiate, and it's error is not seeing things through. Fixed stays with the matter and pushes it forward to completion and in that process it has stubborn ideas about how things should be carried out, etc.

Betty, with the Big 3 in Cardinal, are you as good at starting something as seeing it through, I wonder..because you'd be a good test subject

I have 1 each of Mutable, Cardinal, Fixed in my Big 3 so I can swing any which way, lol, j/k. I wish I had at least 1 more Fixed though, but thankfully my Mutable's not too-too strong.

Edit,
NM, I just finished reading your post on control tactics, ROFL! So funny, so true!!

posted October 27, 2010 03:41 AM         

Um, I actually have mostly fixed, though, and follow-through is definitely not my forte.

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posted October 27, 2010 04:45 AM         

Mercury cancer
Jupiter gemini
Venus, mars Leo
North node aqua
Sat, Ura, Nep Capricorn
Pluto Scorpio

Maybe I'm not so fixed after all :P

Venus, mars, moon in fixed signs. And pluto. But I'm guessing equally influential would be the cardinal signs I have. If u think about it, though, the planets that would help me accomplish WORK the most: the sun, the ascendant, and mercury, mars, oh and probably saturn, those are all in cardinal signs also.

The only one that is fixed is mars.

posted October 27, 2010 09:12 AM         

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I agree with you BM. I have found that too and Libras to me are just the most imbalanced people around and their wishy washiness drives me insane. Why can't they make any decision? Steam comes out of my ears when l ask a Libran what time they'd like to meet up or what they'd like for lunch!

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posted October 27, 2010 11:15 AM         

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My thing is that they aren't as nice as they make themselves out to be....and extremely insecure too. You think Cancers are bad? Stand next to a Libra in front of a mirror. 'Accidentally' wear an outfit that's prettier than theirs or get a better grade than they did on the next exam.

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posted October 27, 2010 11:24 AM         

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I agree, cardinal initiates will fixed follows through.

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posted October 27, 2010 08:31 PM         

It's very easy for me to start new things, to move to new places - I love new things. I could do this all day long lol Follow through is extremely difficult but I had to force myself to follow through anyway. I am able to do it - but I don't always enjoy it. It can get pretty tedious after a while. Sometimes you don't have a choice though so you have to continue a project you started through to completion whether you like it or not.

About Aries - it's not the easiest thing to explain.. But basically if you liked oranges and I knew you did, I might buy you some oranges to make you happy. But since I hate oranges myself - you can't return the favor by buying me oranges lol

Some people like and need support. They need to have someone there - to have someone they can count on in certain situations. I'm happy to be this person for my friends.

However - I don't like having someone there. I actually prefer and enjoy doing things on my own. So you'd be doing me a favor by leaving me alone. I'd appreciate this because many people refuse to leave me alone lol

Trying to give me support when I don't feel as though I want or need it - is the equivalent of you buying me oranges when I never eat oranges.

I don't know if that made sense lol

posted October 27, 2010 09:17 PM         

im not a cardinal sign, but i have lots of cardinal planets.

grand cross, hmm, its probably just my leo/aries placements, but i do think highly of myself in many areas : P

posted October 27, 2010 09:34 PM         

I'm don't want to be better than anyone.
I'm definitely not arrogant.
I'm not bossy.
I'm not controlling nor domineering.
Definitely NOT a loner (but I do love my own company just the same).

is it weird if i say im all of these but also the opposite of them to just as often??

*shrugs*

oh im strongly fixed & cardinal.

Sun/ASC in Leo/Fixed - Pluto in Scorpio/Fixed.

Moon in Aries, Venus in Libra, Jupiter in Cancer, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune in Capricorn. cardinal grand cross.

perhaps the most controlling people are the ones with CARDINAL ruled planets in CARDINAL signs or cardinal ruling planets on cardinal planets.

posted October 28, 2010 04:09 AM         

Letram: wow, that's so true. I always felt that all the cardinal signs were exactly like an aries on the inside....it's just that aries has no shame in showing exactly how they really feel and are.

I'm a cancer and I feel that I'm as arrogant or as headstrong and controlling, temperamental etc etc as an Aries can be. I just don't like showing those qualities of myself. So, i also don't like when I see it in others. But I try to think about the fact that I do feel like thay inside myself when that annoys me in someone else.
and yeah, I know exactly what you mean about sometimes feeling that you're not arrogant at all etc and the other things in your list...but other times feeling like you totally are. And that's exactly what I'm talking about! LOL.

Betty Boop: woooh-ow. I feel that way, too. My cappy best friend always tries to give me advice and I'm like "Look, I appreciate your help, but this advice doesn't vibe with what my heart is feeling right now." she's like a mommy. Or a daddy--even worse. But, she means well, and sometimes it feels noce to be fussed over---------I GUESS. But it's kinda weird when it comes from a friend. Mm-hmm...Yep. But I can imagine an Aries being even more annoyed by it. LOL. But i know exactly what you mean. Ugh. I HATE unwarranted advice. I really do.

First of all, how do you even know that this is how I feel when I haven't even complained to you about actually feeling this way? I hate that people think they can "read other people." No, you can't read people's minds, and you don't have special powers. So stop trying to fix people....go write a self-help book about how to be the perfect person...which I won't be reading. B/c I don't give a fuh. I don't want to be perfect, I'm happy just the way I am. I don't have to be perfect. And if u don't like the way i am deal with it.

posted November 06, 2010 12:56 AM         

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Teasel...maybe ask them for support. Complain to them about your life and see if they give u support.

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The thing is that I didn't think I should have to break down, for people who were supposed to be my friends, to say something. It was obvious what was happening, and in one school situation, only one teacher asked me if I was okay.

I will admit that I was too proud to ask for help; I felt I should be able to handle things for myself, from a very young age, and would only bring something up when it reached a point that I could no longer handle. I'm still that way, in ways - when I have a problem in a relationship, I don't 'spill' until I've absolutely had it, out of respect for the other person and their privacy.

You don't want me to start crying about something and asking you for help. (Putting you, temporarily, in the position of someone close to me, just as an example.) I did that, and as I said above, swung too much in the opposite direction, which helped for a while, but did nothing for my self-esteem - especially when people just took over things that I needed to be doing. (Again: fine for a while, but it's embarrassing when it seems as though they still think you can't do something, when you need to be doing it for yourself, once again.)

I've needed to find a balance in myself, and for people to find a balance in the way they help me (how much they help, how tough are they with me, when it's needed, and I need a push? That's how I get when I admit that I need help, but am feeling too out of it to help myself - I need that push and motivation, not someone doing it for me. I wonder if that is reflected in my Moon/Venus in the 8th, actually - I am too lucky, in some respects, not enough in others.

posted November 06, 2010 03:05 AM         

The only thing I can say is...Girrrrrl, why do you need so much darn help all the time? Lol. Do you live in Haiti, or something? (Where, well, everyone needs help.)