posted October 27, 2010 01:49 PM         

1. You can't say nothing happened in your life when you had SA Pluto=Mars or it may have been the other way around. As you stated that was around the time of the bank issue. I believe the title of your post was something like "Am I Going To Jail?" or "Are The Police After Me?" The two biggest clues of that Solar Arc for that time was that you were worried about being confined (or "controlled" which is what it says in Noel's book). Also, Mars rules the police and you were very worried about whether the police were going to be involved. Although you didn't go to jail, you were definitely "financially controlled" (2nd House of finances) and you had a strong fear of the police. Not only that, the whole issue started because you took on a "kind of" brutal financial control into your own hands by making that transaction on your own when you shouldn't have. Also, it speaks to the very large amount of money that was being handled. That Arc also expressed "tremendous hard work" and it was a tremendous amount of hard work to get out of that situation for you and your grandmother.

2. The original question of this thread is about trauma connected to the SA Saturn=Pluto or transiting Saturn=Pluto.

I experienced this in 2008. First, Saturn rules my 8th and 9th Houses. 8th House of Finances and Death, 9th House of Publishing. Pluto rules my 6th House of work, employment and employees. I worked for a publisher at the time.

The first hit of Saturn to Pluto - my bosses brother died. I felt a general sadness for him, but that absorbed the first hit for me.

The retrograde hit of Saturn to Pluto - I was laid off and my position was dissolved, so I lost my job in January 2009, but I got another "temp to perm" job 2 weeks later, but decided not to take it after 3 months.

The 3rd and last hit of Saturn to Pluto, my Great Uncle died, he was in his mid 80's with Alzheimer's disease and it was expected.

Also, I didn't think this would matter as much when it happened, I was quite detached from it, but in a strange kind of "soul group" kind of way (not musical) it signalled the death of Michael Jackson for me personally and for an entire generation of people born in the mid-sixties who had the great generational conjunction of Pluto-Uranus in Virgo between the degrees of 15 Virgo and 18 Virgo.

We were the infants of those hippies you see in the Woodstock Documentary. The infants, the naked 2 and 3 year olds playing in the mud, we were the first to experience the little boy Jackson and grew up with him unquestioningly. That's why the world freaked out into mourning. An entire generation either had transiting Saturn on their Pluto or on their Uranus or on that midpoint of Uranus/Pluto.

Fascinating!!!

People often wondered why it was in the news sooo much and they forget that the generation running the media is the generation that grew up with him. So even if they hated him, they couldn't help but to report it with Saturn (death) on Uranus (media).

FASCINATING AGAIN!!!

As for me, I wouldn't say that I was "traumatized". I was expecting to fall into a depression, but I think that having the awareness of what was transpiring from my chart, I was able to objectify and also because I am a person who has been in recovery programs for 15 years now, I've learned to "Let Go and Let God" I've also learned that "God is doing for me what I can not do for myself." And this year and 9 months has proven those 2 statements a million fold.

3. Back in 2005, my mother experienced transiting Saturn conjunct Pluto and her husband died. He died the same day that the London Subway system was bombed on July 7, 2005. We were all sad, but it was another case where he had been very ill for a very long time, so it was expected.

The same thing happened for my father back in the summer of 2001. When transiting Saturn conjunct his Pluto, his mother (my grandmother) died. She was 77 and once again, it was expected.

So, there wasn't much "trauma" but a kind of knowing sadness, but not debilitating sadness. Once again, it all depends on how your chart is set up and knowing and understanding life cycles and how they are necessary. Also, tearing down and building up. It can be executive strength power if your chart is built a certain way, it simply signals a lot of hard work, but what you can end up building something so shiny and new and impressive if you do your best to set up the energy flow in the right direction. It's not a guarantee, but it can work. Also, remember that Saturn is maturity and everytime Saturn throws and event, it's an opportunity to make plans concrete and to gain wisdom.

Aw geez, I see that I've written a book. OK, I'll stop, but I just wanted to add these things.

posted October 27, 2010 02:15 PM         

when tr pluto conj my neptune and sq my mars i became actively involved in the music business as a performer. this was the original phase of the "punk" movement in england (where i was) and i guess there was a fair amount of violent energy running around the general environment...but for me it was all constructive and exciting;

when TRANSIT saturn squared my pluto/sun i fell to a heavy flu that became pneumonia and had a near-death experience; however this was not about connecting with the light etc but about telling death it couldn't have me yet...and experiencing an immediate turnaround towards healing (so fast the doctors were stumped!). very empowering!

as with much pluto energy the trick i think is to harness it to working for something much larger than yourself...if you are just seeking personal gain or progress it is too much like a steamroller and tends to bring trouble but if you are actively engaged in the "collective" energy it can be very supportive.

and it looks like next time pluto aspects my mars (2011 - from the 12th house as an opp) it is likely to be another period where personal concerns take a backseat in many ways to what is going on around us.

posted October 27, 2010 02:16 PM         

One of the biggest things I've been feeling is regret. I would veer in and out of feeling as though everything was happening as it should, up until last year (and my Dad, a few weeks ago, said to me, "Maybe everything *is* happening as it should be.")

Some of my regrets were over not pushing myself when it came to the social anxiety and agoraphobia. I found people to talk to on the internet (Pluto + 11th house, squares Saturn in the 9th, and opposes Jupiter in the 5th), and thought I was better off talking to people who were dealing with the same things as myself, than going in and talking about things I didn't want to talk about with someone who was putting me on the spot (it wouldn't have been an even relationship, and I didn't feel comfortable with the idea - this is back in 1996 and beyond) - and someone who wouldn't be really helping me, but would most likely be asking me to talk, asking me how I felt about that... and not doing much more. I knew people with SA who said that therapy didn't do much for them, and I wanted to find a support group for it, but of course, Social Anxiety = a lot of people who chicken out of actually going to the meetings.

I didn't push myself, and now it's driving me nuts - what I missed out on during those years. It was good for me in ways - I needed my space - but I should have pushed myself at least a little more. It's like Saturn was reminding me of my own confidence, my own Moon/Venus in Gemini, my Aries Sun and everything about me that had been so confident; reminding me that, had I "done my Saturn" as Anne Ortelee advised, I would have been in a position to strut that Pluto in my 11th, and that Jupiter in my 5th. My more talkative nature/my Gemini planets might have responded to to the talk therapy, and I could have been a success story.

I think my Aries wants to go back and do better, because I can clearly see how I could have done so much better, with people, with my life in general... I'm not so good at letting go, when I've made big mistakes.

posted October 27, 2010 02:26 PM         

as i pointed out my SA pluto is conjunct my SA sun by definition.

posted October 27, 2010 04:49 PM         

I think I was specifically going for transits to natal, especially since I may never experience SA Saturn=Pluto unless it's when I die which would be at some point in my early 80's, if I'm lucky enough not to get hit by a Mack Truck or something of that nature.

posted October 27, 2010 05:06 PM         

TR Sat conj N Plu
TR Plu squ N Plu
TR Sat opp N Sat
TR Plu opp N Sat
Tr pluto has still to finish with my north node, Neptune is about to stop opposing my sun and tr saturn has just finished squ my nodes

I've had 3 bereavements and a long term relationship breakup, the deaths were 2 significant females though not related to me and the 3rd was a school friend who dropped dead of a heart attack which was bad considering we're only 37. oh and one of my cats died.

It's been a stressful year, felt under pressure to make changes the whole time, the thing is I knew what needed to be done as saturn began the transit over a year ago and then spent 6 months making it happen (break up) though it was another couple of months after that before things got better

posted October 27, 2010 06:26 PM         

GEOCOSMIC Valentine

i will have the tr Saturn cj my nPluto/Saturn in 1st house - meaning that it will be also my saturn return.

this happening from september 2012.
at that same time iŽll be having:

Tr Pluto exact on my IC
Tr Uranus/Child exact on my DSC
Tr Karma on my Venus

SA:

sa saturn square Venus 11th
sa sun and pr sun =ASC
SA Moon= NN
SA venus semisquare Mars
SA Venus square neptune
SA Uranus kikunx Venus
SA ASC kikunx kiron and trine Child

Solar return:

SR ASC on natal ASC
sr asc ruler -venus on sr mc and natal mc
SR mars will be cj nSaturn
SR nn 2ND
SR ic/pluto obviously on nIC
SR moon 4th cj 5thcusp
SR saturn cj nSaturn and Tyche
SR child 7th cj nVertex7th
SR neptune/kiron in 5th
SR jup/ceres in 9th with Ceres cj nNN
SR karma 11th cj nFortuna/karma
sr tyche cj nMerc

saturn rules my 4th
pluto rules my 2nd
neptune rules my 6th
uranus rules my 5th
venus rules my 8th and 12th

posted October 27, 2010 06:26 PM         

Everyones story made me want to crawl under a rock and hide.

GV yes you are right but I forget so quickly lol. I was freaking out that whole year but I guess once it's over it seems so easy

When my dads mum passed away it was just before transit saturn squared pluto. It was the least of my worries when I had that transit because that was the year I got married and that was just a horrible story on its own. My mother was a nutcase and within the same transit I was divorced too.

I must be some superhero to survive Transit pluto opposing moon and MC at the same time

Dont you just hate it when astrology makes you worry? I dropped everything yesterday so I can sit in front of my computer all day and get to the bottom of it. Then I woke up this morning and said "Whatever!!"

I have never predicted something in my own chart and been right, I am sure it is nothing LOL ................