posted October 28, 2010 01:40 AM         

although apparently, im quite lunar in terms of natal aspects.

my 7h house ruler opposes my jupiter which sits in cancer.

the only real moon thing i see in my chart, is a wide venus opposition moon aspect.

drawn to moon? cancerian types? lunar types?

well, the orb is 6.. (moon @ 8 aries, venus @ 2 Libra).

there is Sun-Sun.

my own theory on synastry is that if you don't posses strong signs that some one is drawn to in their mars venus placements, then you need to give them it by planets, and last of all if not planets, then houses.

e.g. my lover doesnt have strong libra or venus at all, But her Venus is square her asc very tightly, i think that gives her a libran/venusian energy to the asc.

she has air sun/merc, but in our synastry, MY venus in libra, experiences HER venus in aries, opposition. so i experience Venus, her venus. but at the same time, Aries (which is what my moon feels comfortable with experiencing in a woman, aries energy, independance - which she backs up strongly with that Aquarius Sun and Mars in sagittairus conjunct uranus / saturn). it seems to fit my chart well (dsc in aqua, moon in aries, venus in air sign libra, 7th house ruler in capricorn in the 5th house (leo/fire house) oppose fire planet jupiter in cancer.) her Moon is in capricorn, square Jupiter, and she's a 9th house sun. she seems to fulfill the jupiter-7th house ruler aspect, my venus-square-jupiter/uranus/saturn opposite moon aspects, and her fire planets and house overlay, makes her feel kind of like a leo/5th housey person in many ways (fire mars/venus/jupiter, creative Sun in aquarius, warm asc in cancer square venus)moon in cappy square jupiter)

sigh.. anyway

one thing wevve all read many times is that if we have an opposition in our chart, especially to venus, then if we do not express this energy, we will experience it from another, lover likely.

im wondering if im experience lunar energy from her that i dont express in my wide venus-moon opposite.

maybe my asc/sun in leo (where my south node is) is why i attracted and am attracted to someone whos conjunct my nn exact and in my 7th house!

posted October 28, 2010 03:10 AM         

There are NO "best synastry" aspects. Each of our natal charts dictates how we will feel/experience our own Sun or our own Venus. Some people's natals might mean that what look like "bad" aspects to simplistic cookbook astrologer or on a pre-programmed site might feel great and fantastic to them.

Beyond that, you can't isolate aspects into "good" and "bad"...and you can't look at any aspect in synastry without looking carefully at both whole charts, and ALL of their connections.

It IS important when learning astrology to have aspects broken down and isolated, so we can understand their possibilities enough to start actually doing readings. And some astrologers--usually from fatalistic belief systems--will rate an aspect, or a whole relationship/human connection!!, or even a whole human being!!! as "good" or "bad", "superior" or "inferior", "lucky" or "unlucky." I've thought about it a lot, and I think I don't believe in using astrology that way.

For me personally, I find Jupiter contacts happier, more expansive, and with a bigger feeling of connection in synastry than Moon-Venus or Sun-Venus. And Pluto contacts seem more powerful and intense. If I just have Venus, Sun, Moon stuff with someone, I either feel claustrophobic with them or I don't feel much.

If someone contacts my Moon, they are also contacting my Saturn. My Moon-Saturn is on my descendant, squaring my Pluto-MC. So Venus-Moon or Sun-Moon in synastry is complicated for me.

Sun-Venus is nice when I'm the Sun--I've had in in a couple of relationships and some friendships--but it does not provide the feeling of connectedness, closeness, importance to the relationship, or excitement I get from Jupiter or Pluto contacts. It's kind of a ho-hum aspect just on its own.

If I DID have to choose "superior" synastry aspects, ones that make a relationship feel important regardless of the two natal charts, I'd choose:
-exact conjunctions of planets to nodes or angles
-Sun-Sun trine or sextile within one degree
-Large stellium of planets falling into the 7th house (even if the 7th house is not all that important in the natal of the 7th house person)
-exact conjunctions of asteriod Union to planets or angles (no idea why this is, I'm just noticing it empirically)

posted October 28, 2010 04:44 AM         

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Opposition is nice to. X3
By the way, how does the square aspect feels like?

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Um, I had the Opposition and Square with an ex. My Sun in Cancer was Opposite his Venus in Cap, and his Sun in Aquarius was Square my Venus in Taurus. I'd say the Square was the hardest, he would freak and think I wanted all of him when no I just wanted him to pay a little bit of attention to me, and then I'd become stubborn and then he'd become stubborn. But its impossible for ANY sign to out stubborn a Taurus influenced person, so typically he'd give lol. Overall we got along pretty well, and when it was good it was good but when we didn't get along it was terrible.

Even though he treated me like a douche a good chunk of time, and has been a bit of a class act as*, I don't hate him. We had double whammy Jupiter contacts from my Jupiter in Aqua Conjuct his Sun in Aqua, my Jupiter Semi Sextile his Mercury and Venus, and Trine his Mars in Aries by Sign but Quintile by aspect, and his Jupiter in Pisces was Sextile my Venus in Taurus, Moon in Cap, and Trine my Mercury. Plus his Asc in Cap was Conjunct my Moon, his Venus in Cap was Conjunct my Descendant, and our Rising signs were opposite (his in Cap, and mine in Cancer). So I felt like we had a pretty good connection...however him being an Aqua with a Square from Uranus/Saturn AND Pluto to his Moon deff did not help things lol.

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I just agree with you both that it isn't enough for initiating anything. On it's own, I feel like the grand trine actually generates some apathy (even if it is strong 'connectionwise') because both people just expect everything to fall into place. One or both of the people don't feel like they have to put in any work. It's kind of disheartening in some ways.

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I agree to this!!! This same ex and I had two Grand Trines between us, one in Earth and one in Water. So things tended to go very very well when they did go well. A little too well that I thought it was too good to be true, and things were way tooo comfy. His Virgo Moon, my Taurus Venus, and Cap Moon were the Earth Grand Trine. And my Cancer Sun, his Pisces Mercury, and Scorpio Pluto were the Water Grand Trine. This just got very very comfy, settled, and official very quickly (the Taurus Venus LOVED that lol)...however we also had doozy Pluto aspects in both the Synastry and Composite...and a few icky Saturn aspects that shook stuff up.

posted October 28, 2010 05:42 PM         

with my lover i have no mars aspects to her except a quincunx to her venus.

posted October 29, 2010 01:17 PM         

I've had tight Sun-Venus conjunctions where I am the Sun, and where I am the Venus. In some of them each way, I adored the person and we are very close. In one we had a complicated longterm romantic relationship. Another is a close platonic friend.

But in several other cases going each way, I don't even like the person. They certainly don't express what I love and value most.

I bet if we started to look at millions of cases of synastry empirically--if someone had the resources to do that properly--we would find "good" or "superior" aspects at a tight orb between many people who are strangers and never meet, and still more who do know each other and don't feel any big connection.

posted October 29, 2010 01:30 PM         

My Venus in late Cancer might represent "what I value", but I also have a Moon-Saturn conjunction in Cancer. While I have had some close Cancer platonic friends in the past, almost all of them other women, I have never had sexual or romantic feelings towards a Cancer man. That Moon-Saturn gives me really complicated feelings towards Cancer energy in my own natal.

If I were asked what I value most, my answers would reflect my Leo Sun-Mercury (creativity, life for art's sake, great romance, excitement, fun.)

My romantic relationships have been with Libra, Gemini, and Aries Suns.

posted October 29, 2010 01:42 PM         

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staborgi, I have to disagree with you on the all-importance of Sun-Venus, when I've been Venus the Sun person did not hold any 'embodiment of what i love.

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I have to agree with this as well. I've had the Sun Venus aspect with both Taurus guys/Girls (where I'm Venus), and Cancer guys and girls (where I'm the Sun)...and again I tend to like them as people but its more of a general liking. They DEFF are not the embodiement of what I love.

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Actually the Moon represents for both genders their emotional needs.
I agree Sun-Venus is more about affectionate attraction, while Moon-Venus is more "intimate".

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I tend to really like either Mars or Venus contacting the Moon. It could be because I am a Cancer but again the Moon rules emotions and what you "need" emotionally no matter what you Sun or Venus sign is. For instance I have a friend and we have a Venus Sun Conjunction (in Taurus...I'm Venus and he is Sun)...however his Moon is in Sag and mine is in Cap...and even though we are Trined by Sun, and have the Sun/Venus Conjunction...he and I are not on the same wave length emotionally and just don't mesh or gel well when it comes to really relating deeply.

So even if someone is a Sag and they like a Sag Venus...if they have a Scorp Moon then no matter what they wouldn't respond to the Sag Venus side emotionally and they would need more to feel whole.

No one can discount the importance of Moon contacts in synastry. I've read and seen myself they are often stronger than Sun or Venus contacts, because the Sun isn't about deep need and Venus is about attraction physical side. Plus I've seen and experienced reltionships where the Moon has been a prominent (for better or worse) planet in synastry and even with having incompatible Suns I can still get on with someone.

posted October 29, 2010 01:55 PM         

Are you not doing class work like I am...we have fall break starting tommorrow and my mind is kinda mush because of all the studying. Btw without giving specifics what state do you go to school? I'll give a hint...my school is in South Carolina and its a pretty big football school...a player named C.J. Spiller graduated from here last year. So if you google that you'll know where I go.

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Moon/Venus I only like as a trine for the reasons I stated in the other thread...haha.

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posted October 29, 2010 02:03 PM         

I would probably like the conjunction better if my moon or venus was in Taurus, seriously. Neither Virgo nor gemini are very nice places for people's venuses and moons to contact my venus or moon (talking from experience).

posted October 29, 2010 08:23 PM         

Yeah, some Cap Moons I know can be REALLY cold and others can be warm. The only thing I think that most of the Cap Moons tend to have and be is the tendency to take emotions and relationships seriously. Either staying away completely or getting into one and sticking with it.

posted October 29, 2010 08:36 PM         

I googled Clemson and it looks awesome, to have two historical sites on your campus is really cool. Reminds me of another major I would've picked if not for Nursing (History!).