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Topic: My venus rx epiphany
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DD
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posted November 05, 2010 07:20 PM
 
Diana,well, I am not exactly the type to wait for negative things to happen.  And I don`t think the 12th house overlay will be the only hint to it.
But who knows?
Anyway those people who really let me down, interestingly didn`t have one single planet in my 12th house and I didn`t have anything in theirs.
Actually there was a predominance of 9th and 11th house overlay, strange, isn`t it?
Isn`t that supposed to be a good placement for friendships?
In a nutshell I think that the 12th house cannot be singled out as the sole reason for being let down. Disappointments can happen with any houseoverlay, but maybe if it happens with 12th house placements, it hurts especially, since it kinda sneaks up on you?
There IS some nebulous quality to the Neptunian house after all.
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Unmoved
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posted November 05, 2010 07:37 PM
Ami, Yes, I know the qualities of the 12th house, and I know that there are two sides to all things in astro, the dark and the light. I didn't refute that. I was speaking from my experience using 4 men and 2 women in my life who trust issues were a problem. All these people had that in common. And when there's nothing in my 12th with people, it's usually easy-breezy. Even most definitions of this house overlay placement say this. It's why I decided to look into my relationship to see where I felt betrayed and it was when personal planets or Saturn was in my 12th. As I said also, these are the people I felt most intimate with, probably because of this configuration. It does both. It is intimate. It makes people vulnerable. Then, if you're immature and vulnerable you act out the negative. If you're slightly evolved, you probably act out the positive of this aspect. This aspect raises people's insecurities. Then people act dicey because of these insecurities raised by feeling too vulnerable to another. But if you don't have insecurities to start with, and you view vulnerability as something beautiful and pure, the 12th house thing can't do any harm then. As I said, these insecurities are usually illusions and there's usually nothing to feel insecure about. The insecure or fearful party usually does things to empower themselves, by getting even for an imagined fear, by doubting the one who makes them feel uneasy, etc. It's a stupid dynamic. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 05, 2010 07:42 PM
I was not refuting anything you said,Unmoved .
I have it in synastry so I have a dog in the fight LOL
Anyway, I find it amazingly beautiful and ethereal.------------------
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Unmoved
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posted November 05, 2010 07:54 PM
So, I assume that you have no issues with being vulnerable, "naked" and exposed to your partner? Those who are afraid of that usually go to the dark side, I tell ya. This is theoretical. Of course, I don't know what twisted things go on in people's minds, but to act afraid of being betrayed by another after intimacy only tells me that the fearful party is trying to protect themselves. One of my exs with a stellium in my 12th said that he cheated because he thought he was losing me and felt that I was pushing him away. This he imagined. It was not true. So, acting out of some irrational way to protect himself, he betrayed me because he already felt betrayed by me, whether true or not. Someone more mature wouldn't have acted that way. Someone more secure wouldn't have feared anything. This is just an example. The other had Venus in my 12th. I didn't trust him as far as I could spit. He trusted me. I didn't trust him. It ended because I couldn't shake th uneasy feeling. There are many examples of how it works both ways. But, with me, it has not been a light, ethereal overlay. Not at all. Sure, for the first year or two, it's bliss, then something just turns dark. So, ... IP: Logged |
Unmoved
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posted November 05, 2010 08:06 PM
The thing is though, since I've thought about this particular overlay more than others, I know why it might turn out this way for me. My 12th house is an intercepted Libra. In there resides my Saturn in Libra. So, just right there we see that these Libra people are out to teach me major lessons in my life. So, maybe that's why this house works this way for me. Also, I'm highly paranoid, until I trust a person, then I trust completely. Maybe Saturn in Libra is saying that I must be balanced and not jump from one extreme to another concerning trust when it comes to my relationships. Because in some cases, I've been right about my suspicions, and on some cases, I felt betrayed due to my imagination. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted November 05, 2010 08:19 PM
I think what I'm trying to say about the 12th house, aside from my venting, is that you have to be very careful not to wear rose colored glasses. To only see the good, or see things the way you want to see them and not how they are in reality, because someone's planets in your 12th can do that to you. It acts like neptune. I really really trusted the people in question, even though now that I look back, and now that we've reconnected, I am so able to see what the real deal is, and not some fantasy I've created by giving out blind trust, even when it wasn't deserved. And let me say, I am so not like that usually. With everyone else I don't trust them and don't make excuses for them. That's why I didn't see it, I really believed they had my best interests in heart and I am not like that in general, so be careful you don't do this.
I am feeling better since I vented. Now I don't really feel like writing the NM column and I was really excited to do it when I was in my fury.
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teasel
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posted November 05, 2010 08:37 PM
I can't think of many people who have planets in my 12th, except for my Mother, and we don't have too many problems. (Her Moon, Jupiter, Chiron and Neptune are all there, as far as I know.)I will edit this for privacy reasons, at some point (my mothers'). There have been times when she's accused me of defending my father more than her - that we've always been two peas in a pod (a sort of jealousy, at times, which isn't warranted, because I'm the same with her). My Aries planets might be in her 12th, as well, but I'm not sure, since we don't have an exact birth time - just "between 1 and 3 in the afternoon." IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 05, 2010 08:44 PM
Oh Unmoved
I am so afraid of showing my true self to someone I care about.
I have so many pockets of myself that I think are "bad" and unacceptable.
My planets are in his 12th house--my Venus ,moon, Sun and Mercury.
I feel exposed but it is "me" and maybe, at the end, I will see that I am OK, after all  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted November 05, 2010 08:44 PM
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racole12
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posted November 05, 2010 08:56 PM
I only have one person in my life that has a planet in my 12th, which is Jupiter. So, I don't know what to think... IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 05, 2010 09:54 PM
Aqua rules my 12th and Pisces intercepts my 12th... The pisces guy sun,mars,mercury are in my 12th... I do have a subconscious level with him.. We do just get each other, I do see his bad qualities but its like they dont matter.. I automatically trusted him right from the start.. He on the other hand threw many accusations my way, he believes I was seeing him and some one else at the same time. Which is not true.. but there's no changing his mind...
Ironically we have became even closer now,we are talking more often, and we stopped with the game play.. Its been much more pleasant... We have done a 360 with each other.. We are just friends, but its becoming very trusting with each other... He has started to open up to me... He's been giving me the trust now.. Last night I called him, he didnt answer.. A few hours later he texted me.. U ok?????? whats wrong??? He said he was asleep and woke up and saw my missed call, and felt something was wrong... I said nooo everything is fine.. Im ok... He said ooo good thought I was gonna have to run on the streets in my pj's to help u with something... lol (how sweet is that!) I said noo nooo Im home sorry to worry u.. He said you sure everything is fine????? I said yes....
He thought I was in trouble and he was goin have to come and get me.. I think thats the sweetest thing ever.. I dont see him as an enemy, I value having someone like him in my life.... He has forever changed me... No matter what happens I doubt I will have any regrets... Also the Gem I reconnected with during this rx venus his Pisces moon is in my 12th... We talked and got out what we needed to say each other... I feel soooo much better about the past with him... I think I can let the pain go now.... I can move past what he did... Even though i think he will be around for a while, even though as prob jus a friend... idk... but again no regrets.. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted November 05, 2010 10:10 PM
I can't deal with this anymore right now. I'll come back to it later, but I just don't feel like thinking about it anymore right now. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 06, 2010 02:18 AM
You describe it perfectly,Lioness.
I see his bad"stuff"but it does not matter.
You are thinking that it "should" but it doesn't.
Astrology is very funny in explaining things like that, strange things that are a slice of something different than you have had before.
Yes, I have never had planets in anyone's 12th house in all the charts I have done synastry's with.
Well, you know I will have to check my late son.
I had this sense with him.
If we fought, we would start laughing cuz I could never stay mad at him.
If I just caught a glimpse of his face, we would crack up.
I could tell that the last thing he wanted was to fight.
He had a wounded little boy look that made it impossible for me to stay mad at him lol------------------
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Lioness
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posted November 06, 2010 02:38 AM
Ahh Ami... Yes It's very true I see pisces bad stuff. I know he has anger issues, he's jealous and possessive, he HATES why questions with a passion... etc etc... I also know he's aware of his bad habits, and I feel that he "thinks" he hides them and is afraid that if anyone knows they will take off on my... He has gone to anger management classes..
But it's weird his issues just dont phase me like that... Yeah I have gotten upset with him.. But not in away with other people, I an especially forgiving with him.. I KNOW no matter how mad/annoyed he gets at me, he will be over it quick... I just dont worry about it... It just doesnt matter.. As for Gem, his moon and Jupiter is in my 12th... Even though he did what he did.. I was never mad or saw him as an enemy.. I was hurt, and devastated.. but not mad... In a way I knew he was too young to settle down, and deep down in my heart I knew it wasnt something that was going to last..
So I was never mad... I forgave him right away.. BUT the hurt remained all these years, probably deeper than I even realized until now.. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 06, 2010 02:44 AM
YES, the hurt is there. I get that but there is some sort of magical eraser where you can "see" the real person UNDER their behavior.
You know, I JUST got it, I think.
It is Neptune(12th house) sight. It is an other worldly sight just as psychic "sight" is. You can SEE the buried(12th house) part of the person. THAT is why you don't get so angry at the surface stuff. Man--that makes sense. What do you think??
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Lioness
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posted November 06, 2010 02:55 AM
OMG... YESSS!!! that makes sense... I do see through his shell, its funny because once he knows I see through it, he puts up another shell, and I think what does he really think he's blocking me.. and I laugh... I can just see through him... I think this scares him though... Maybe it is my imagination, or rose colored glasses.. but I see this HUGE HUGE heart, that would do anything for someone he cares about... Im really drawn to that.. I see this child like innocence, that just wants to be understood w/o explaining himself... Idk if you saw the other post, but he thought I was in some sort of trouble last night, and text me at 1am.. Asking me if Im ok.. Asking if he needs to hit the streets in his pj's to come and help me... All this because he woke up in the middle of the night and saw a missed call from me.. He got worried, thinking something was wrong.. So we made a pact, if something is wrong we will text 911 to each other... So there is no confusion like that again... IP: Logged |
DD
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posted November 06, 2010 06:36 AM
Diana,yes, I hear you. I think as beautiful as Neptunian aspects *can* be, there always is the risk of deluding oneself. Yes, got you now.  IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted November 06, 2010 06:43 AM
My 12th is Gemini. I have so many Gemini friends in RL (And Gemini Moons also!). It's a lighthearted relationship. Happy mostly. I really don't see the enemy connection. It's true though that whenever I told these people a secret - it went half way around the world by the end of the week lol
Good thing it was never an important secret.(:edit: Only with Gem Suns. Gem Moons keep my secrets. The two people I trust most have this moon sign,) IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 06, 2010 06:47 AM
Dear Diana
I wanted to make sure to SAY that my discussions about the 12th house are in NO way a diss on you or your experience.
I can tell that you are hurting and struggling right now.
I appreciate your presence on LL so much. I missed you when you were gone.
My discussion is just a dialogue about my own experience, to date  ------------------
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Diana
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posted November 06, 2010 03:55 PM
Yes, I know Ami.
I just want to say everything you and Lioness are saying is exactly how I was all those years with these two people. I completely accepted their flaws as that's just how they are and I even found them (the flaws) endearing. Sometimes you shouldn't overlook someone's flaws.
As a result, I ended up being totally duped, when if anyone else had pulled that s_it, I would've ended the friendships. That's why I am so mad now, because I did everything right and was totally accepting, but because of that, I was fooling myself to the true nature of them the entire time. It's quite the wake up call. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 06, 2010 03:57 PM
OK, Diana , I get it now
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Lioness
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posted November 06, 2010 04:00 PM
Diana... What I have experienced about someone's planets falling in your 12th is... Well what ever the connection is, its very deep, and has some emotional incidents attached to it... For me some feelings I have never experienced was brought to the conciseness. Things I didnt even know about me, where right there in my face... It had me in an emotional spiral. Just trying deeply to understand. The effects have been life changing... Im slow so it took me a year... LOL So what ever this person did to you, its because you are (maybe) suppose to learn something about your self.. your going to feel feelings you possible never had before... Maybe.... Thats how the 12th effected me... IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted November 06, 2010 04:04 PM
Oh, I never said the 12th isn't deep, obviously it is, or I wouldn't have been so blinded by neptune-like delusion. Yeah, well I am done with lessons of the 12th now. I feel much better today and am basically over it, probably because I got it all out last night. IP: Logged | |
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