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posted November 14, 2010 06:51 AM         

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Has anyone done the natal charts of a whole bunch of people they know, who don't know each other, and found that practically everyone you are associated with has really strong ties to one another, I mean, exact conjunctions of venus and mars, exact conjunctions of the moon to north or south nodes, exact conjunctions to the sun and venus/mars, etc etc etc??? And many of these people have never met. Anyone else have this experience?

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posted November 14, 2010 06:52 AM         

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cus i am a little creeped out right now.

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posted November 14, 2010 07:10 AM         

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Yes, of course.

The astrological chart only shows how your personal energies would mingle if you met or became aware of each other. It does work in onesided ways, too, of course.
Rule of thumb: The person who is aware of another person will feel the synastric aspects, the other won`t, unless they meet.
If two people meet, than the energetical exchange takes place in two directions of cousre, though it is again a matter of susceptibility, how aware both become of it.

And even then it is still up to you to decide how or if you re-act to these things.

All astrology tells us is the mixing or blending of energies. That is really all.

What you are doing with it, depends on a lot of factors.

In your case it also is because of you. Check if your planets maybe are the "binding factor", meaning, do they aspect these placements strongly?

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posted November 14, 2010 07:12 AM         

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You know what is really interesting.IQ told me that the "law" of love is higher than any, I think, aspects.
You can rise above "astrology" with love and your spirit

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posted November 14, 2010 07:25 AM         

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I definitely agree with that, Ami.

Sometimes when I find myself in a very altruistic state of mind, I am able to observe myself from a bird's eye perspective, and I am completely disconnected from all the qualities of myself that are a result of, or a reflection of, my astrological arrangement. For instance, having a Scorpio moon in my 12th house, I am a very secretive about my emotions and very guarded and fearful, but when I bring myself in to a state of being that is unaffected by earthly draws, I am fearless to express myself and to love openly and accept whatever energy is going on around me, or in my life in general. I am also aware of the physical world being nothing by a foggy illusion, and physical reality becomes blurry. I feel myself floating, in a way. I think the ideal state of mind is like this, and when humanity reaches their intended potential, astrology won't really matter any more; we'll all be like wafts of smoke on the ether. Astrology tells the story of someone's Karma; when all our Karma is cleared away, then we can all get down the real business of being human, which is Divine.

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posted November 14, 2010 07:27 AM         

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Wow, Britterfly
Well said

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posted November 14, 2010 07:35 AM         

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Thanks. I really enjoy writing. Mercury in Aqua in the third house. LOL

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posted November 14, 2010 07:46 AM         

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It's all about just clearing away illusions. I think a huge part of becoming "enlightened" is evolving beyond our human "makeup", ie, astrological placements, genetic personality attributes, etc, to move on to the expression of our true Divine selves. Astrology is more like a map of our Karmic paths, and not really an indicator for who we truly are. For instance, I have Pluto in my 12th house, which indicates hidden rage. I do have hidden rage which only really comes out when I am either drunk and emotionally aroused in an unpleasant way, or extremely ****** off; however that Pluto aspect in my chart is not WHO I am, and I am able to rise above it and see that rage for what it is - that is, if I take myself to a higher, lighter, and Truer state of mind. Being in line with the Truth, to me, means having no illusions or fears, and seeing what truly is. There is nothing to fear.

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posted November 14, 2010 07:50 AM         

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Nope, astrology is a descriptive tool; it describes the whole picture. True nature as well as karmic path.
You just have to be able to decipher it. And we are quite lacking in this regard.

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posted November 14, 2010 07:50 AM         

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Oh and don`t forget there is a RANGE of expression for any aspect / placement. Your choice.

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posted November 14, 2010 07:52 AM         

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DD,

Nope. Maybe you havn't had any transcendental experiences, but if you did, you would realize you are not who you think you are.

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posted November 14, 2010 07:55 AM         

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DD, I find it really irritating that you sum up experiences that were very profound and revealing to me with that irritating word "Nope."

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posted November 14, 2010 08:05 AM         

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I apologize for the use of the word "Nope".
I shouldn`t have put it as curtly as that.

I find it very irritating though that you assume you know anything about me.

Your experience are very valid, of course, for you.

I see things differently, coming from the original premise of astrology.

Is this the wrong premise? Could be.
But it could just as well be that you, like everyone else, see only a few parts of the puzzle, and not the whole. I don`t see the whole either of course.

Personally I believe that we just haven`t deciphered the language astrology in detail yet.

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posted November 14, 2010 12:33 PM         

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(Personally I believe that we just haven`t deciphered the language astrology in detail yet)

I agree completely. There is a flaw in the evidence. It's still to much to take a part on work, in astrology. The astrology truth is unclear and not a sure metod yet. I wish it will be a sure metod some day.

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posted November 14, 2010 12:44 PM         

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So you guys are saying that because you assume that all the evidence is not on the table yet, your point of view of astrology is absolutely correct, and that the "missing evidence" is going to support your view point?

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posted November 14, 2010 12:50 PM         

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What I believe is that the universe is full of unlimited possibilities and that we are connected to God and part of God, who is also limitless, therefore our intrinsic natures are limitless and astrological influences serve as cosmic lessons to the part of us that is limited by our own Karma and the limitations we put upon ourselves.

I am sure our natal charts are different in each life, as well, which would support my view point.

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posted November 14, 2010 12:50 PM         

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Popcorn,

"I wish it will be a sure metod some day."
That would be cool, but probably very unlikely.

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posted November 14, 2010 01:01 PM         

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It's so funny that you don't know everything about astrology, you admit that your understanding is very limited, it is unlikely to ever be a hard science, and yet you purport that it is most definitely the end all, be all to describe the human condition.

DD, I didn't "assume" anything about you so much as I deduced that you haven't had any transcendental experiences because you staunchly keep to the view point that people can not rise above the paradigm they find themselves.

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posted November 14, 2010 01:05 PM         

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You deduced wrongly.

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posted November 14, 2010 01:07 PM         

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I don't believe you.

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posted November 14, 2010 01:08 PM         

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If you had, you would know for sure that the person you had bought yourself to be isn't really your true nature, but you are a limitless spiritual being of pure love.

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posted November 14, 2010 01:08 PM         

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I also agree with DD, that we still lack of knowledge to understand all the information that astrology has to offer. So that people often think that astrology might not be accurate when in fact it is us who doesn't know how to read things correctly.
Just coz we have an aspect in our natal chart and read a description of that aspect and find this description inaccurate for our case, it doesn't mean that this natal aspect itself isn't accurate - just as DD said, there's a range of expression, and this aspect is also affected by other chart elements (everything is "wired"/connected with each other deep inside).

As for the original topic, yeah I also had such (sometimes creepy) experience. XP For example, 2 of my most meaningful friends in my life has DW Sun/Moon opposition plus Mars/Venus conjunction plus opposed ACs. My guess in this is that we might have a tendency to attract similar people (there's a pattern about the people we attract to us).

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posted November 14, 2010 01:11 PM         

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I believe that astrology is absolutely accurate. I love astrology. Astrology, without a doubt, is spot on, absolutely accurate, no contest.

However, I believe that the human condition is such that if one were to achieve a state of grace or enlightenment, they would no longer be held within the paradigm of their natal chart.

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posted November 14, 2010 01:13 PM         

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Britterfly,

you are talking about limitless spiritual nature, I am talking about life on earth, which of course has a connection to your spiritual essence but at the same time is anchored in the physical manifestation of your self and Spirit on earth, in THIS life.

I believe that astrology clearly depicts that human incarnation we have here, with personality characteristics, lifepath, karma and all.
For the spiritual essences I believe astrology is not needed, as character traits are not needed. At least that is what I believe.

apart from that I find your assuming and judgemental attitude very annoying, and do not really feel inclined to communicate with you any further.

Comica,

yes, that is exactly how I meant it.

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posted November 14, 2010 01:16 PM         

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If you don't want a curt attitude, don't give out a curt attitude.

"you are talking about limitless spiritual nature, I am talking about life on earth, which of course has a connection to your spiritual essence but at the same time is anchored in the physical manifestation of your self and Spirit on earth, in THIS life.

I believe that astrology clearly depicts that human incarnation we have here, with personality characteristics, lifepath, karma and all.
For the spiritual essences I believe astrology is not needed, as character traits are not needed. At least that is what I believe."

I believe in absolutely the same idea, but I believe that humans have the capacity for enlightenment, which would take them beyond all the effects of Karma, etc.

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