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Topic: is it cuz we fill in eachothers' missing signs/houses? or is it chiron?
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woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 28, 2010 04:19 PM
hey lucia! sorry i couldn't reply till now.. i tend to not get any real time to sit and think (reply well) until my daughter's asleep and then i often get distracted..okay! so it's interesting to me that you don't trust davidsons or composites. do you just go by synastry then? i wonder, do you place equal value on draconics? his draco sun is conjunct mine and his draco mars conjuncts my natal DC exactly (and uranus and pluto conj it aswell, in the 7th). his draco saturn conjuncts my natal venus exact as well and i'm fond of liz greene's venus-saturn synastry description above the 'standard'; it does reflect the challenges seemingly present in our synastry as well as the potentials for deep mutual healing and bonding. that's interesting you shared a similar vibe with someone older than you as well. did you have your saturns in opposition too? his saturn conjuncts my south node as does his chiron (their midpoint is 17'24- my SN is 18'01). this seems particularly karmic to me, and/but yes it could be progressions as well; my progressed sun is 17'08 at the moment. oh and yes, his SN is conjunct my neptune- the orb is 5 degrees. so yeah a lot of south node stuff. i don't think i've ever experienced both my SN and north node being activated by a person via conjunctions before. though i suppose the orbs to my NN are wider (it's more about my saturn it would seem.. HOLY FREAKING CRAP, i just checked and his pluto/uranus midpoint (they are only 3 deg apart) is EXACTLY conjunct my saturn (12'27, both). so yeah considering all of that along with the chiron stuff this seems really karmic and intense; possibly even really challenging (adding a hefty dose of neptune to the mix). i'm not great at getting the 'gyst' of a bunch of combined aspects, especially when it personally affects me; would you say that is right? we are going to be getting together for a real 'date' type thing soon, and it's funny that you say not to fight neptune, saturn and pluto, because i sense strongly an involvement is forthcoming. all of this is making me a BIT nervous but it is good to know what i'm getting into and to keep my 'grip' as much as possible (even if neptune ultimately doesn't let me!). thanks lucia and lonake (and pluto and popcorn)! wish me grip! sorry for whining before..  IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 28, 2010 05:01 PM
just an interesting side note (pluto, if you're reading, you might get a kick out of this!),i broke it off with my virgo sexbuddy (whose moon is conj my SN exact) and felt quite good about the karmic lesson (which i believe i finally understood) of our union (we also have flipped nodes and my saturn on his SN) just a couple of days before me and this guy worked together. anyhow, ONE MINUTE AFTER this current guy wrote me an email officiating his feelings and interest in me (yesterday), the virgo wrote me asking if we could get back together (he was the one acting weird last week, which is why i said 'enough of this!!') and wanting a commitment, blah blah- he plays games and/or is EXTREMELY confused. so it's funny and interesting to me how these south node connections pull ya. my SN and his moon are in pisces so i think there is an added degree of psychicness between us (if you remember all the other synchronicities with timing we had relating to my interest in others). yep, interesting stuff. IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 29, 2010 02:49 PM
shamefully shameless bump..IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 29, 2010 02:57 PM
oh i checked his pullen midpoint grid and about 90% of his midpoints conjunct my planets natally and draconically. freaky.IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1835 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 29, 2010 03:12 PM
Woah, for the record I'm rooting for the Virgo sex buddy. (Unless he's 9 yrs older,. not 9 yrs younger...if he's younger, I think he might be managing now to sort things out.) I'm not sure why. I actually keep thinking about this thread. I think the older Taurus Sun/Venus has hidden kinks, there are lots of red flags. ("I just know he'll treat me well!")...the hasty marriage, you being friends with his mentally-ill ex-wife...but then I see it as a red flag/projection city whenever someone feels compelled to post synastry before they've even made out with the person.I'm not saying not to proceed. Maybe it IS the missing signs/houses--it's like you think he'll fill your unmet needs. I think this guy is REALLY good at the smooth, gentlemanly early courtship stage, all the way up till a wedding. Something went really weird and wrong with his last two marriages. I get a funny feeling about it intuitively, that keeps getting stronger every time I think about popping back onto Lindaland. Maybe I shouldn't say anything, because the last time we posted negative things it bummed you out. I almost went with not saying anything. Because honestly, for some reason my gut gives this one a "no". But, if you proceed, instead of doing it "knowing" he'll treat you right because your connection is so wonderful---do it with your keen sense of observation on high alert. That doesn't mean you even have to be cautious--just conscious and conscientious and present-minded.
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woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 29, 2010 03:21 PM
thanks lucia  welllll.. the virgo is 9 years younger. he's really ALL OVER the place and plays games. he even 'leads girls on' as a sport it seems, so no, nothing coming of that. i think he really likes me and sees i can't be played (and thus the attraction; maybe some sudden growth/wisdom derived from my rejecting him). hmm, thanks for your input. honestly was not gonna post my synastry but someone asked me to! everyone i know who knows him gets the best vibes off him, BUT i appreciate your perspective certainly. i dunno, i dunno. we have a date in a few days, and i don't feel worried, but i get why what i've said would rouse your red flags. we live in a pretty small town so if he was a creep in any capacity, i'd have heard. hmmmmmmmm.. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1835 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 29, 2010 03:28 PM
Well, people for sure have different standards of creepiness. Dating a friend of your ex-wife's falls into fishy territory for me...so does marrying someone new, then divorcing her ten minutes later when the corpse of your marriage is still warm...To someone else, those things might not be creepy at all.I don't mean he stores women's body parts in a shed or anything... But especially if you guys have checked to make sure this doesn't hurt his ex/your friend, it certainly wouldn't be a red flag for everyone. IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 29, 2010 03:33 PM
well like i said it's a small town. most people know most people, so i'm sure many of the women here would be friends with his ex. they weren't married, fwiw. but yeah i was intending to spend this date talking to him and seeing what he's about and one major topic of conversation was to be what his ex would think of it, to make sure all's cool (and then of course talk to her). we are not great friends but have hung out a few times (we have a friend in common). he feels embarrassed and stupid for getting married and realizes it was rebound. but i see where you're coming from.IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 29, 2010 04:14 PM
okay i just sent him an email asking him what her feelings are and if he's sure she'd be okay with it and that i wouldn't feel comfortable seeing him if it might hurt her. i'm glad you brought that up because i was nervous about it. i won't see him if his response is vague or in any way weird or he thinks it would upset her.IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1835 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 29, 2010 04:26 PM
Well, obviously if he thought it would upset her and that bothered him, he wouldn't have asked you out.You would need to talk to her--even then, she might not feel comfortable letting you know if it would bug her. In my case, I won't date a friend's ex--but probably everyone in a small town has already been out with everyone else, so there aren't real options. I would be very uncomfortable if a friend or aquaintence dated my ex...it would bother me if she asked me if it would bother me, it would bother me if she didn't ask, it would just bother me. And my long-term ex (Libra) and I both have a policy of not dating each other's friends....which was hard, a couple of my aquaintences were like piranhas, a little bit thrilled that he was single. Even though I am the one who left him, I appreciate that he wouldn't do that. Different people have different speeds about this, though, obviously. IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 29, 2010 04:36 PM
yeah.. i can understand that forsure. it's weird territory. but yeah, most everybody knows everybody or at the very least there is one degree of separation with almost everyone here, so it's tough. like i said we're not really good friends and are actually probably more in the 'acquaintances' category. though it's interesting because a good friend of mine said she was interested in him (a while back, and she's now engaged) and they are really good friends and i had the FEELING (though i could be wrong) that his ex was or would be okay with this. who knows though. i probably will end up talking to her (SLIGHTLY less weird than not?) if i think it might get serious. for now i just want to spend our time getting to know eachother and i think it might be weirder talking to her before i really get a sense of my feelings about him. THOUGH there i sort of contradicted myself didn't i. sigh. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1835 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 29, 2010 05:17 PM
Yeah, I mean, in a small town--there sort of aren't options, other than to date aquaintence's exes, I imagine. Otherwise no one could date anyone at all, except like their gradeschool sweethearts.IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 29, 2010 05:31 PM
yeah, and it's a really liberal artsy town too.. people are pretty laid back. i dunno, i don't FEEL like she'd have a huge problem with it, but it does introduce some anxiety and making sure of that will come into play sooner than later if i decide he's worth my continuing interest.thanks!  IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1835 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 29, 2010 05:41 PM
It's not at all why I got that red-flaggy feeling anyway...I was just attaching the feeling to various details you gave that fit it. It might not be a red-flaggy feeling about anything about him...maybe it's more about you, and what you are (consciously or unconsciously) looking for in this connection...like maybe you want some holes filled? And the things he exudes (gentleness, that Sun-Venus-AC on your IC, maybe the Chiron) give you the illusion he'll make you feel treated right in a way you haven't before, that there'll be healing or wholeness from the union....and it might be that he can deliver that feeling at the beginning, but when it comes to a deeper relationship, he can't? And also that you should not be looking for it from outside. But maybe that will be the great lesson of this relationship, who knows?Anyway, not exactly sure where my feeling comes from. Too bad it's not going to work with the young Virgo...guess he's REALLY mutable, though... IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 30, 2010 02:33 AM
ah, the young virgo. well i'll put it this way; if we're both single in 7 years (after his saturn return), i could see us getting back together and it possibly working out. he's extraordinarily intellegent and we had a pretty good thing (we'd been on/off since april), BUT he plays games. i'm old enough now that it doesn't bother me in the ways it used to when a guy tries to rub his ego all over me (out of insecurity), but it's still annoying because there's no real cohesiveness. you think excessive mutability can make a poor partner? i'm curious as to why..hmmm! re the other stuff! i dunno, you could be right, or it could be that you've interpreted my enthusiasm as desperation or something to that effect? i don't think i'm looking for him to fill any holes, but i do think we compliment eachother nicely. it's true he does treat me really well and i don't think it's an act (though who knows) and i'm not really used to that with the exception of my last boyfriend and a couple others along the way. i dunno, as threads tend to go, they branch out into little tangeants and initially as i said i was just wondering if the sense of ease and compliment i felt with him was due to our filling in eachothers' empty houses or my chiron being smiled upon by venus. previous to my last boyfriend (we were together about a year) i spent three years not being in a relationship to make sure i had my head together and knew what i was both bringing into a relationship and looking for in one, and i don't feel as though i'm particularly needy. i know my boundaries now and have a good sense of self worth, both of which lacked before. this attraction was unexpected and feels quite lovely, but i'm going to keep my eyes open and my feet grounded forsure! thanks for you insight  IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted December 02, 2010 04:56 PM
date was amazing. i HIGHLY recommend composite sun exactly conjunct composite moon in pisces. frickin unbelievable intune-ness it brings.i think i may be taking a vacation from LL myeself. much love to you lucia if you're reading this. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1835 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 02, 2010 10:41 PM
You too, Woah! Maybe a good time for me to make good on my Lindaland-breather plan too...IP: Logged |
woah cakes Knowflake Posts: 283 From: canada Registered: Oct 2010
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posted December 03, 2010 09:49 PM
thanks  enjoy your time away! IP: Logged |