posted December 06, 2010 04:31 PM            

I don't think billions will matter for me. there are some that won't have much effect, or less.

if they are conjunct my sun or just wandering alone and unaspected in my chart is not going to be the same.

some will be more "sensed", will matter more if they correspond to some elements in my life. if I was born in the US of A and didn't have a passeport, asteroid lutetia (paris in latin) would not matter even being conjunct my moon. but I live in france and I never felt the same feeling in paris as in london where I lived 5 years.

I think they mean something but as everything else, we ascribe to it the meaning we want.

ultimately, I think the chart all speak the same words. you can find an info in the planets, or the aspects, or the houses or the asteroids, or the sabian symbols, in the end you still need to be able to translate it. it's not an end in itself I think. and they will just corroborate what you find in other ways. you know what I mean? they just repeat what you find in other ways, well, I think.

that's why a very important part of being a good astrologer, especially if it's to counsel others, is to have a clue beyond the meaning of whatever asteroid or whatever aspect or planet. astrology (and thus asteroids) are only a tool. but a tool for what?

that is the question.

anyone?

posted December 06, 2010 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by raspberri:
Really because when I see a man as illogical I see him as 'stupid'.

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posted December 07, 2010 04:19 AM            

Back to the topic: True, Asteroids are not as powerful as planets and are not intended to be but if you need specific themes, they are the best tool.

Here is an example:
Q1) How many Libra Rising Taurus Males have chances of ordering a Holocaust if they come to power?

Q2) How many Libra Rising Taurus Males with Asteroid ANUBIS [Ruler of the Dead, Astral Plane, Invoked in Sacrifices etc] conjunct their Ascendant to degree and minute, have chances or ordering a Holocaust?

Hitler was one. Asteroids explain his psychotic behaviour after coming to power behavior far more accurately than planets.
Had LOGOS conjunct his Ascendant, he would have dealt with power differently.

In any case, only 200 Asteroids out of 15000 named ones have general uses, the others are proper nouns and will act as markers about when such a named person will impact one's life.

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posted December 07, 2010 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
[B]Why do I feel like something or someone is just trying to feed off negative energy, whether it's coffee or just through him.. Also, how you can see that astrology works without energy just astounds me. Everything is energy.

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I am aware of people getting energy THROUGH a person. I would agree, but this is a burning topic for Me for many years now.

It's a shame that people take offence where none should be taken. Maybe some misdirected anger, just in case you might be wrong at doing all these asteroids. That would be something to admit.

Never said that women are illogical, yet I get a few replies stating this. Women of the forum, you just showed yourselves up. Unless you know that negative energy is going through you and directing you to say something. I can understand this is hard to control, never mind recognise.

Just a quickie.....

Hopefully sort this chicken and egg question out, once and for all.

Men are Mars/Aries, Women are Libra/Venus.
The thinking of a bloke is 3rd from the 1st, which is Gemini - LOGIC.
The thinking of a lass is 3rd from 7th, which is Sagittarius - ILLOGIC.
I guess it's logical to assume opposite of logic is illogic.

Aries is first, so Man came first (make it a joke if you want)

Of course, all men are b*ds.

posted December 07, 2010 12:05 PM            

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Never said that women are illogical, yet I get a few replies stating this. Women of the forum, you just showed yourselves up.

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You said "women are said to be illogical" and went on to make a correlation between the amount of posts about asteroids (which you think don't make a difference) and the amount of women on the board. You implied that you think women are illogical. Lol don't try to weasel your way out of this with semantics.

I bolded the last bit because you did it again. The last bit implies that women are being illogical for getting offended at you calling women illogical.

Nice try.

Note: I don't care who you call illogical but it is SO FRUSTRATING when people lump other people together based on a single characteristic. Especially negative stereotypes. You don't realize how hard women have strived to be taken seriously in their personal and professional lives. Every time you make a generalization like that, you set women as a group back. Women are not judged as individuals, they are judged as women. For instance, if a man gets into a car accident, he probably had a bad day, he wasn't paying attention, it was his fault, etc. If a woman gets into a car accident, it's because WOMEN ARE BAD DRIVERS, not because the person in question (who happens to be a woman) wasn't paying attention.

Another example:

Let me reiterate with your original offending statement:

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but women are said to be illogical, yet astrology is a logical subject. Most here are women, so is that the problem?

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posted December 07, 2010 12:24 PM            

That statement was about saying women are SAID (researched by someone maybe) to be illogical. I guess if a scientist did an experiment and concluded they were illogical, that would mean it is a fact based on scientific testing.I don't know the results of any tests carried out at all.

I'm offended that you lot are offended at something like this.

How about if I said women are not as strong or fitter than Men? Would you look at women competing in Tennis matches doing less sets than the men to be proof that womn are not as strong or fit as men? Or, would you take offence at this?

Explaining this can be hard when you respond illogically, if you do. It's like talking with my brother, and that's an insult!!!

Back on topic if ok.

posted December 07, 2010 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
To quote a famous Hindi Ad, women are "D"illogical, a pun on "Dil" being hindi for Heart. Their Logic comes from the Heart and is usually lost on men. Which is probably why women astrology enthusiasts exponentially outnumber their male counterparts.

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iQ, pretty much what i said too, lol

posted December 07, 2010 01:59 PM            

If I make a punctuation or spelling mistake, it is rare.

posted December 07, 2010 02:02 PM            

oh and iQ, from your post you made me want to check my anubis, it made me giggle to know it happens to be in my 8th, a stellium, i'm a little glad it doesnt conjunct anything in there