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Swift Freeze
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posted December 06, 2010 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Hello all, there is this girl and there is a lot of friction and frustration between us.

I am on the inside, she is on the outside. I am blue she is red.

There are things she does which annoy me quite a lot and everything I do or say seems to upset her.

I was wondering if anyone could see any aspects in the chart that may point to anything that leads to these things between us.

Regards, Chris.

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Ami Anne
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posted December 06, 2010 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Chris
I will check it,tomorrow, Mi Amigo Hermoso

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posted December 06, 2010 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Swift Freeze! Welcome to LL

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posted December 07, 2010 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heheh, thank you Ami.

Thank you lalalinda, I've just been lurking and reading all the articles posted here for a year. It is a great forum and resource.

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Ami Anne
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posted December 07, 2010 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol Chris
OK, I do the charts, little by little so I can think about them .
I like to ask questions, too.

My first question is what are the degrees of your Sun, Mercury and Mars?

You look like you have Sun combust Mercury(Mercury within 5 degrees of the Sun)
If so, this is a hard placement in and of itself.
I won't elaborate until you give me the degrees

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posted December 07, 2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her Chiron conjuncts your Jupiter. I have to look that up.
I KNOW Chiron is a hard one, very intense.Jupier is a beneficent planet so I am not sure how this would play our but it would be something important,I think.

I will look it up and be back

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posted December 07, 2010 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can't find anything on Chiron conjunct Jupiter in synastry.
I would have to surmise. If anyone else cares to, please do
I need to think about it, Chris.

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posted December 07, 2010 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you already give me the degrees of your planets, Chris.
I can't remember. I would like to see how close everything is.

You seem to have a chart which has a lot of intensity.
You have clusters of planets,stelliums.
This seems like it would give a feeling of intensity to you, personally.

You have Sun, Merc and Mars, as I said. Then you have Pluto conjunct Venus.
Then you have Saturn conjunct Neptune (it seems) with Uranus near.

Once I have the degrees, I can get a better idea of how close these planets are i.e. how intense it feels to you.

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posted December 07, 2010 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto in the 4th shows a hard home life with upheavals, tidal wave types of experiences.

You have NN conjunct DESC,it looks like. I would think your goal would be partnership and commitment in a relationship,if I am correct in interpreting this.

It is in Aqua so you strive to see things from a global view. Your SN would be in Leo in the first house.
You are comfortable with yourself

The NN is where you are propelled to go as a life purpose.
Yours is in the house of partnership and in Aqua.
You will be propelled to live as a committed partner.
The NN is our beacon for what we are supposed to accomplish in life.

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posted December 07, 2010 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha hey Ami...

Ascendant Leo 20.33
Sun 29.04 Vir
Moon 29.13 Gem
Mercury 4.53 Lib Retrograde
Venus Sco 11.07
Mars Lib 1.37
Jupiter Can 8.44
Saturn Cap 7.24
Uranus Cap 1.24
Neptune Cap 9.37
Pluto Sco 13.24
Lilith Lib 25.13

My (True) North Node is Aqua 25.16

Chiron Can 16.40
South Node Aries 0.00
Juno Lib 10.56
Eros Sco 21. something
Cupido Sco 8. something
Sappho Sco 20. something
Lust Can 3. something
Diana Can 14. something
Amor Tau 13. something
Aphrodite Leo 10. something

Nessus Vir 27. something
Dejanira Sag 3. something

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Ami Anne
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posted December 07, 2010 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kewl Chris
I am on it

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I am down with that.

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Swift Freeze
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posted December 07, 2010 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Ami, I appreciate it.

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Ami Anne
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posted December 08, 2010 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump

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posted December 08, 2010 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do things step by step. I am gonna start with your natal,if that is OK.
You have Sun and moon in the 29 degree.
I am gonna look that up.

You ASC is 20 Leo. Your DSC would be 20 Pisces.Your natural partner would be a gentle, sensitive, dreamy type.
The DSC,also, shows what WE must incorporate in to ourselves.
You have the strong Leo persona and are prolly quite comfortable as an outgoing,warm person.
I say this cuz your SN is here. We are comfortable with the sign and house of our SN.
I will look at aspects to your ASC,later, which can modify your comfort level in your own skin.

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posted December 08, 2010 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 08, 2010 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If a natal planet is found at 29 degrees of any sign, also known as the Anaretic degree, there can be some real issues with decision-making in that part of the personality represented by the energies of the planet. The native may evaluate and re-evaluate situations before making a move one day, and the next day, jump into the action without listening to himself or herself! For example, if Mars is at 29 degrees, the native may devise many plans of actions, worry excessively about the possible actions and different routes to take, and then execute a spontaneous action that is contrary to the decision!

I know of a woman whose Juno is at 29 degrees, and despite the fact that she has many theories about taking relationships seriously, jumps into them quickly. A man with 29 degrees of Mercury agonizes over decisions in his life, and vacillates between talking too much and too little.

Besides decision-making problems, vacillation, and jumping into situations blindly, the 29th degree is also associated with a sense of urgency. It's the last degree of the zodiac sign, and there can be a real sense of urgency surrounding the characteristics and associations of the particular sign.

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posted December 08, 2010 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am gonna check out sun and moon at 29 degrees and be back.
It is interesting that you have the two luminaries ,as they are called, at 29 degrees.
I am gonna research it

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The 29 degree is the last degree of a sign.It can be represented by the God,Janus, who is looking toward the future and back to the past, at the same time.
This means that the person may struggles with 2 opposing viewpoints in thing.
You may feel stuck cuz the past and future are both calling you in opposite directions.

The intensity of this "stuck" feeling will be modified by other aspects to the Sun and moon, so I will check those ,later.

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posted December 08, 2010 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Zarathu Total Immersion Astrology©

Give'em The 29th Degree


So where does the 29th, the Anaretic Degree come from?

There are only a few references to it with astrologers like Ivy Goldstein Jacobson and Barbara Watters, and those are veiled in terms of terrible tragedy, and weeping. Ivy calls it the place of the Weeping Sisters, where there is something to Weep about partly because of the closeness of 29Tau to some nasty stars in that Cluster. But she does make a point that it shows defective vision in some way. My copy of Devore calls it the Anaretic degree, and lists it as the “planet that destroys form”. In 10 out 12 of the sign degrees Degrees of the Zodiac by Charubel and Sepharial: 29th of Taurus is typical: “A powerful man holding a scourge in his right hand, driving two slaves in manacles.”

And even more so, what good is it?

Alright! If you look deep and hard you can find it. But there are some caveats to start, and I’m assuming that you’ve taken them first. The 29th degree is only 1/38th of all the degrees of the Zodiac, so it may not be a really big, really impacting issue.

1. Make sure that you’ve made a determination of the strength of the Planets, Houses, and Signs in your chart. If the 29th of the Sun, normally powerful, is weak by sign, aspect, and house, it's impact is not going to be much to weep about. Even if you are good at this, I would suggest a study of Cosmodyne Research. make sure you’ve determined whether the house that its a cusp at, whether the sign its in, and whether planet that at the 29th, have any strength in your chart.

If they are at the bottom of the power curve, you may still see the effects, but they may require more to set them off, or more of item Number 2(next).

2. Remember the famous Rule of Threes, put out by IVY Goldstein-Jacobson, Henry Weingarten, and many others: If you see it once, maybe; if you see a reference to it twice, possibly; if you see it three or more times, increasing degrees of certainty. The characteristics of the 29th degree are visible in other ways. Look for them.

Alrighty then!!

Characteristics of the 29th degree:

1. Its the weakest point in the sign it represents. This is because its been diluted with two decanates of other signs, and because its at the end of its options for the characteristics of the sign its in.

2. The sign in the 29th degree is tired, and often shows more of the next sign than the sign its in. This is especially true if you are of the same mind as Sepharial was(and this author agrees), that each degree starts 30 seconds before the actual degree, and ends 30 seconds after the actual degree. This leads to a common concept in astrology of the increasing and decreasing in light

3. The planet and house placement is always getting ready to make a change. Depending on sign/planet/house, the native will find themselves of two or more minds on a subject. The twenty-ninth degree, states Pat Geisler, is like the 2-headed Roman god Janus, always looking into the past and the future.

The Bottom Line

The 29th degree is more able to see both sides of an issue. But more than that, this degree tends to send the native into an oscillation between one view and the other, often struggling to make any decision at all. Decision making becomes agony.

The native with a strong placement of this degree in a planet , or in a cusp of a sign, seems to be in a situation where decisions tend to be put off and to be made much later. Decisions are all up for continuous re-evaluation with new information. And there is always new information. But eventually a decision must be reached.

This is where Ivy G-J’s concept of defective vision comes in. While the native collect information on all sides of the issue, s/he can see good points with every side and cannot make a decision.

Unfortunately, the native, at the proverbial end of his rope(last degree in the sign), will tend to make a quick decision just to do something, anything!!, without looking. Metaphorically, he may dive into the pool before checking to see if it has water in it

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posted December 08, 2010 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

A. Sun in the 29th degree often causes a major career change in mid life. We’re not talking about changing a job, we’re talking about a whole new event. One client I know switched from an advertising executive to an elementary school teacher(Sun in 29Pis). Another was a teacher, but suddenly decided to start her own school, which while still in education was about as far a change as one could make

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posted December 08, 2010 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in the 29th, is also often Void Of Course. In the parlance of Horary Astrology, there’s not a lot of options left, and the time to accomplish things drops to nothing. These are the people who may continuously leap before looking to see how far down it is if they miss the other side. In a wedding chart, it suggests that the wedding was based on pregnancy, or that a co habitation has already taken place

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posted December 08, 2010 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
. The 29th degree in a Sun position can slow down career success because of poor decision making skills.

D. A placement of a planet in the 29th degree in a house automatically makes the ability to manifest the characteristics of that house structure more fuzzy, and the interaction with the people of that house more vague and less decisive. It adds a kind of decision making complication to the house, much the way that Having Dark Moon Lilith then adds disruption to the house, or having Mars there causes something to be cut out

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posted December 08, 2010 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

C. The 29th degree in a Sun position can slow down career success because of poor decision making skills.

D. A placement of a planet in the 29th degree in a house automatically makes the ability to manifest the characteristics of that house structure more fuzzy, and the interaction with the people of that house more vague and less decisive. It adds a kind of decision making complication to the house, much the way that Having Dark Moon Lilith then adds disruption to the house, or having Mars there causes something to be cut out.

E. Women with their Sun in a 29th degree have a tendency to marry men who are ineffectual in some way: trouble keeping a job, born followers, too passive, emotional problems. Again this is related to the concept of poor decision making(both on the part of the woman and on the part of the husband)

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posted December 08, 2010 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In summary,
..................................the 29th degree, tends to give the native a difficulty in properly making decisions. But the native doesn’t stop with that like they might in some aspectual relationship. They find themselves oscillating like a wind vibrated steel bridge, until a sudden response is made. This oscillation takes on the characteristic of Too Much or Too Little, Too Much or Too Little, Too Much or Too Little, Too Much or Too Little, until the native either jumps for one or the other, and often without thought of consequences of actions.

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posted December 08, 2010 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, Chris, read about the 29 th degree.
Can you relate. If so, how/how not?

After you respond, I will do your Sun/Mercury conjunction.

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