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Lonake
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posted December 07, 2010 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK So this is a very unique aspect, along with of course Aquarius Sun conj Uranus, and in a few (I think Neptune enters only in March, so too soon for a conj, but maybe in 2012) we'll start to have lil Pisces with Sun conj Neppy,

But right now with Scorpio, as they're the oldest living ones in the bunch:
What is your experience with these types? Are they Pluto incarnate (stereotypical astro fluff) or something totally different?

And if you are one, well, what's your perception of how people treat you, and how do you see the world?

I've met some younger people with this aspect and was struck with how sweet and sensitive they were, (in their late teens, early 20s). But the sensitivity seemed raw, and they seemed very eager for some sort of shelter. So I feel for them. They seemed very exposed and all their emotions were right on the surface.

I'll contrast this with their Pluto in Scorpio contemporaries (those who are now late teens or very early 20s) who as a whole are quite rough in their manner of dealing with the world, as in coarsely abrupt (I'm coming from a Pluto in Libra perspective).

My experience with adult Scorps, in talking about their youth, is an extreme sensitiviy, so it fits with what I've seen with these folks, except what I witnessed was *overwhelming* sensitivity, so a bit more dramatic.

What are your experiences with them?
I know they have Moons, and Asc, etc. but if you can brush aside all that and just isolate this aspect.

I'd put a topic for the super Aquarians but I have zero experience with those young people, I'm sure I'll meet more when they're older..maybe if youve known any of these you could add it here, too.

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posted December 08, 2010 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know just one, with a steliium conj his Asc and in the 12th and 1st houses.

Intense beyond anything but yes, super-sensitive, highly empathic, positively psychic, spiritual and a pleasure to be with. He hates any phoniness and prefers to be alone than with false friends.

One thing that I have noticed about him is that he has this ethereal, beautiful sadness surrounding him.

A diamond if ever there was one

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posted December 08, 2010 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my ex has this aspect, exact. he's ummm.. extremely perceptive, hates bullsh!t of any kind, can execute his opinions rather forcefully, but unfortunately has no patience for anything metaphysical whatsoever. he's a very solid person and very true to himself and his beliefs, but he's extraordinarily stubborn and a bit prone to pessimism. he also has this bad habit of 'jokingly' being insulting when he's nervous or depressed, which is a twist on his normally acerbic sarcasm (which is very funny). he's extreeeeeemely sensitive but quite insular at the same time. love him to pieces but i think he's sort of tortured in a way, though he is kindhearted and highly ethical, cautious and doesn't seem to want to show his emotions or appear vulnerable, even though he plainly is. one of the best people i know.

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posted December 10, 2010 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, this has to be the biggest LOL ever!!

I was thinking about your thread and realised that I, yours truly, am also a Sun conjunct Pluto in Scorpio

Well, yes, I am sensitive and vulnerable to an extreme and also telempathic and a bit lost as well.

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ॐ शांति शांति शांति

From the unreal, lead me to the real,
From the darkness, lead me to light,
From death and destruction, lead me to immortality.
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posted December 10, 2010 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you both for sharing!

FrozenQueen, I see them as diamonds as well

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posted September 13, 2011 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nothingbutaname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FrozenQueen:
I know just one, with a steliium conj his Asc and in the 12th and 1st houses.

Intense beyond anything but yes, super-sensitive, highly empathic, positively psychic, spiritual and a pleasure to be with. He hates any phoniness and prefers to be alone than with false friends.

One thing that I have noticed about him is that he has this ethereal, beautiful sadness surrounding him.

A diamond if ever there was one



Reviving an old thread here, but I also have this placement (Scorp sun conj pluto in scorp) and oddly I really relate to this, being super-sensitive, empathetic, hating phoniness, and carrying this sort of sadness, I was wondering if you can say more about this Frozenqueen, if you're still present on the forum. I would love to hear more. I have a stellium in my first house as well, if you can, can you post the chart of this person? I'd love to compare my chart and his own chart.


My chart - Equal house

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posted September 13, 2011 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayandNight21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
2 personalities come to mind one is Katy Perry the world class singer and the other is the world class footballer wayne rooney. got to say that both have guts.

From star4cast.com below
Born on 24 Oct 1985 he's a very determined and controlling Sun Pluto in Scorpio in an over confident square to Jupiter...Wayne is a Sun Pluto in Scorpio square Jupiter in Aquarius - so controlling and pushy. Jupiter Pluto pushes across social niceties to get what it wants. His Venus in Libra is in an uncommitted square to Neptune, a needs-space sextile to Uranus and a can-be-insincere trine to Jupiter. He also has a not very co-operative Saturn in Scorpio sextile Mars in Virgo.

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posted September 13, 2011 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayandNight21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don’t personally know any sun scorps conjunct Pluto scorp so the below is sourced from star4cast.com and is not my personal opinion.

Katy Perry (25 Oct 1984)
She's a fearsomely determined Sun Pluto in Scorpio with Mercury, Saturn, Moon also in Scorpio sextile an aggressively confident Mars Jupiter in Capricorn; with an erratic Venus Uranus conjunction in Sagittarius. It is a quite challenging, dark energy chart and both (her and RB) being quite contrary emotionally

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posted September 13, 2011 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayandNight21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://darkstarastrology.com/sun-conjunct-pluto/

check out arizona sues response to this on knowing someone with the configuration in the topic title.

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posted September 13, 2011 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun, Mars, & Pluto in Scorpio 8H w/ a tight conjunction.
Yes w/ my Moon & Ascendant in Pisces I'm quite sensitive. I don't like to be though (Sun-Mars conjunction & Parallel) I'm always trying to be tough but nine times out of ten people still see my soft side.
On the other hand, I do work out a lot so (no bragging intended) people tend to back off a little. It's only when someone truly gives me a reason to be upset I won't back down from protecting what I believe in, or more importantly the ones I care about.

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posted September 13, 2011 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have the conjunct, however I have this sextile by 1 degree? Guess it'll be softer I assume. But I'm very strong willed (accentuated by my aries rising), determined, not one for BS. I dislike superficial situations and people, and I'm very empathetic (I'm assuming this is more bc of my moon square neptune. I'm passionate (without being emotionally over the top) and I'm not one to jump on bandwagons haha. Pluto in 8th house + my tight sun sextile pluto makes me emotionally strong, something that does come in handy bc I have been through alot.

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posted September 13, 2011 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for violet7887     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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venus scorpio conjunct pluto in scorpio
venus trine asc
pluto trine asc

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!

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posted September 13, 2011 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gluey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this aspect. Scorp and Pluto Sun both conjunct in the 10th house. Yes my sensitivity. is pretty raw and I can't take any bull. Phonies drive me up the wall and I am not joking. I have a strong work ethic that goes unnoticed every day. Those who are close know it. Got a huge bonus today chopping wood for someone. Got a pile almost the size of a car done in four hours. I fight for recognition the hard way. Not by being everyones best friend and talking up my work ethic with fairy dust. I got emotionally intence at work weeks ago not becuase my ipod broke or someone stole my aggression but because there was a child court case going on in my family. I told my boss bad stuff was going on in my family. She said it was OK. Though I still forced her to decuct my pay. Thats how I felt. It's only fair. Folks shouldn't have to pay for my stupid shite. Everyone has emotions. It's life.

I heard i've been known in town as an angry, forbidding spitfire but ya know what? I'm not a liar. Or a gossip mongerer.I live in a small canadian town where gossip spreads like wild fire. It's disgusting. People become victims to it

I love to talk a lot espically on forums but I'm not going to take it to work or hold up a long grocery line on 10% off Tuseday. Just to talk crap about someone.

....and it I do talk crap about someone. I've been more than aquainted with them but ya gotta be careful. Gossip mongers will hear it distort it, eggagerate and create a whole new friggen fairy tale!

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posted January 02, 2012 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carmen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I have sun conj. pluto in scorpio. In a partile or /exact conjunction. Along with other aspects my sun and pluto are in the same degree so I feel for you if you have this conjunction. It can be like living with a time bomb. you know that deep passions one day are going to come out and strike but you need that outlet otherwise it goes on within you and it takes it's toll on your health. I think we are specifically designed to be angry at the right or appropriate time, that our anger is clear, direct and positivein that sense. We are just afraid of it becuase we know it makes changes/transforms/scorpio, and even if people know that it's the right thing, people resist change, passion, but we ARE it!!! what else can we say to help each other with this energy?

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posted January 02, 2012 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Scorpio friend has this aspect (his Sun conjuncts his Pluto by one degree and he's also got two other planets in Scorpio). He is Pluto incarnate.

He is incredibly intelligent and insightful. Every so often he blindsides me with extremely accurate statements about my behavior/personality that really make me think (very few people are able to do this). He's funny and he can be kind.

However, his one Achilles heel is the fact that he IS so extremely sensitive (like you were pointing out Lonake). It's to the point where he feels like he has to be SO self-protective that he pushes away the people he truly cares about through manipulation and selfishness. His world view is just so dismal. I find it to be incredibly unfortunate. My Pluto in Libra (I'm two years older) is always like: "But let's work this out! Let's figure out a solution," but I'm finding more and more that he just makes it impossible. He's just so bent on self-preservation that I think positive people just don't compute in his head. Also, it is the strangest thing, but he will cry if anyone else is crying around him or if he sees something even remotely sad in a movie. It's very interesting to me...

I'm hoping that I can remain friends with him, but I don't put up with bad behavior for very long and regardless of what the cause of it is, I'm not going to stick around when I'm trying to reconcile our differences and not getting any help in return.

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posted January 02, 2012 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A friend of mine has pluto, sun, ascendent, mercury, and venus all conjunct each other in scorpio (mercury is in the 12th, the rest are in the 1st).

She has a VERY heavy (but not negative) aura around her and she takes a long time to get used to, but she is extremely deep, and has some of the most honest and powerful emotions in a person I have ever met. She also is keeeeeeenly aware of anyone and everyones motives and thoughts. You can't hide anything from her. She has a tendancy to be passive agressive, but she knows this. Close friends are few and far between for her for two reasons. 1. she is not very trusting and is very slow to let people in. 2. once you ARE let in, it's very easy to just metaphorically drown. One of the reasons I believe me and her got so close is because I have enough scorpio energy to handle her and understand her.

She's also one of the only people I know or have ever heard of that legimately needs to take anti-anxiety medication. In her case it is justified.

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posted January 02, 2012 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nothingbutaname:
Reviving an old thread here, but I also have this placement (Scorp sun conj pluto in scorp) and oddly I really relate to this, being super-sensitive, empathetic, hating phoniness, and carrying this sort of sadness, I was wondering if you can say more about this Frozenqueen, if you're still present on the forum. I would love to hear more. I have a stellium in my first house as well, if you can, can you post the chart of this person? I'd love to compare my chart and his own chart.

Nothingbutaname, my apologies.

I have not been active on LL for quite some time and I realise that it may be the other way round with you having left but in case you're still here:

I have read a lot on Pluto since it plays a prominent role in my chart as well and I found one particular theory to be extremely engaging and intriguing. It says that the outer planets represent archetypes in our mythologies, larger-than-life figures with virtues and fatal flaws and when an outer planet conjuncts a personal planet, it brings the energy of that archetype into the material or physical plane.

The Pluto in Scorpio generation was filled with upheavals and scandals and a renewed interest in the metaphysical realm. For someone born with the Sun conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, this energy would have hit particularly home, making the person experience the spectrum of Pluto in Scorpio in a very personal manner.

Early trauma and loss of loved ones, a feeling of being disconnected from the world at large, a profound loneliness born out of an ability to see through the false façades that people wear make make that more empathetic than the other Scorpio Suns. There may also be a resonance with world events. The upheaval outside may be experienced within and this may also come with a certain "sight" or intuition.

Due to technical problems with the host site, I am not able to view your chart. If you are still here and would like me to interpret it, feel free to repost your chart.

Thank you.

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posted February 14, 2012 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nothingbutaname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Frozen Queen:
Nothingbutaname, my apologies.

I have not been active on LL for quite some time and I realise that it may be the other way round with you having left but in case you're still here:

I have read a lot on Pluto since it plays a prominent role in my chart as well and I found one particular theory to be extremely engaging and intriguing. It says that the outer planets represent archetypes in our mythologies, larger-than-life figures with virtues and fatal flaws and when an outer planet conjuncts a personal planet, it brings the energy of that archetype into the material or physical plane.

The Pluto in Scorpio generation was filled with upheavals and scandals and a renewed interest in the metaphysical realm. For someone born with the Sun conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, this energy would have hit particularly home, making the person experience the spectrum of Pluto in Scorpio in a very personal manner.

Early trauma and loss of loved ones, a feeling of being disconnected from the world at large, a profound loneliness born out of an ability to see through the false façades that people wear make make that more empathetic than the other Scorpio Suns. There may also be a resonance with world events. The upheaval outside may be experienced within and this may also come with a certain "sight" or intuition.

Due to technical problems with the host site, I am not able to view your chart. If you are still here and would like me to interpret it, feel free to repost your chart.

Thank you.



Hi Frozen Queen,

Glad to see that you are back, and my own apologies for not responding to this earlier, haven't checked back in a while. Yes I find that interpretation of pluto to be VERY accurate, below is my chart, would love any insights you can provide/opinions on it.


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sun conj pluto shows a problem relating to father espec in childhood and/or men or authority figures...

In fact all hard aspects ie: square and oppositon to pluto. So again it depends on what sun sign is involved, which house it's posited in and what 'other aspects' sun and pluto have will either hamper or help these two express...

Basic astrology forum, Learn the basics + House systems. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000671.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Saturn in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000660.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Neptune in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000661.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Uranus in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000662.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Pluto in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000663.html

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posted February 15, 2012 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nothingbutaname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you SaggiMC for the links, although I have read them before and would not consider myself a beginner with astrology. I posted my chart again for frozenqueen for further insight into the topic at hand and if any resembelance can be found with the individual mentioned previously.

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posted February 15, 2012 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for freebrainstorms     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Intense beyond anything but yes, super-sensitive, highly empathic, positively psychic, spiritual and a pleasure to be with. He hates any phoniness and prefers to be alone than with false friends.

One thing that I have noticed about him is that he has this ethereal, beautiful sadness surrounding him.


yum, he sounds delicious.

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posted February 15, 2012 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
one of my best friends growing up was a scorpio sun conjunct pluto EXACT 0 degrees along with her mars and mercury in the 9th house and her moon was on a cusp of 0 degrees pisces.

shes suuuuuuuper sensitive, sociable and has a very strong charm with people. ive noticed that people really do have either a strong liking towards her or they just dont like her becuase shes can also be very loud and rather rowdy at times. shes typically goofy in public or the "life" of the party and very couragous. when shes mad though shes VERY mad and you can feel the tension. her moods get the best of her sometimes and she can be a little bit too much to handle to say the least. shes had her sneaky moments and have done some backstabbing, manipulative things to get what she wants. shes kind of permiscious when it comes to relationships but she definitly holds on to the ones shes loved even though everyone close to her has gone through her sh i t and she just hopes that people will try to understand how she is. at the same time shes somewhat reserved and secretive and private. she can be pretty laid-back and really easy to hang with. shes into mysteries, ghosts, occult, tattoos, consperacy theories haha. she always seems like even though shes got this really crazy, destructive side to her that if she wants something she has the total power within herself to get what she wants. also, i think within the past few years shes gone through an extremely intense introspective analyses of herself and has changed a lot of her habits for the better which i think is a huge aspect of pluto/scorpio. shes never been very academic, but there is a depth to her.

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posted February 15, 2012 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for butterflyxoxxo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this placement

"You are more likely to go to extremes than most people because you don't like to do anything halfway. You want every experience to be complete and intense.

You are strong willed and like to get your own way, so you may find it difficult to make compromises with others in order to get along. But that is precisely what you must learn to do; otherwise you will be alone and cut off from people who won't want to associate with you.

You have a strong desire to be a leader, which you can do quite well, as long as you keep other people's needs in mind along with your own. You are particularly good at leading others in carrying out an important task. You like to take on ambitious projects that test your abilities"

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My best friend has a Scorp stellium, but her Sun is unaspected and she has Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, instead. She has a few jealousy issues... Like she tries to reign it in but its like inherent in her personality. She also has a "strong" personality, like she has to have things her way (she has a 5th house Sun, and she's comparable to my Leo Sun/Scorp Rising friend). She doesn't likeshowing vulnerabilities. The sensitivity is there, but she's actually extemely peppy if you don't know her well.

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