posted December 16, 2010 01:31 AM            

I'm gonna go on youtube for an interview with this Jonathan actor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_M9WAlhJWc
This one shows him having a resemblance to Michael Keaton, Ben Affleck, Elvis

Influences mentioned of those with similar looks
-Leo Sun
-Cancer Asc
-Cancer Venus
-Virgo Sun
-Virgo Venus
-Venus conj Sun
-Venus conj Asc
-Scorpio Moon x2
-Sagittarius Asc (elvis)
-Capricorn Venus
-Capricorn Sun
-Saturn/Capricorn smile
-Pisces Moon

His manner overall is so strong as in steady and composed, that I do believe the Sun/Saturn in Leo is either hovering on the Asc or on the Mc. It's not Libra as there's no overt graciousness to his demeanor. His Sadge shows through in his facial structure.

Final analysis,
Cancer Asc that puts at least the Sun & possibly Saturn in the 1st, Putting Moon Neptune in the 5th or 6th.
Note that he greatly admires Tom Cruise who is a Cancer Sun, that would sign match with his Cancer Asc, admiration being common when our asc matches with another's sun
Also note the crossing of his legs and his quiet unobtrusive demeanor. Also note the soft sheen to his eyes, something I sooo found when I was researching Gem rising those with Mercury in Cancer, they all shared this soft sensitive sheen. Note how he quietly emotes in his movie clips, hardly any facial movement but his eyes convey a feeling of wanting to connect with the co-star, it's all under the radar and that is what water is about that unspoken deep connection. Also his choice of clothing seems quite comfortable and cozy. This puts Moon in Sadge as the chart ruler.

The only other possibility I see is Sadge rising with Moon/Neptune in the 1st, if it puts Saturn on his Mc, that could be another definite possibility.

What do you think?

posted July 07, 2011 07:36 AM            

I am seeing these midpoint pictures:

Sum semisquare mercury/Pluto 0-54
Venus semisquare Mars/Pluto 1-27
Mars square Sun/Pluto 1-15
saturn conjunct Venus / Pluto 0-58

But are these really strong enough?

I was considering an early Scorpio ASC for him, with uranus in 1st house. This would put the Venus/Jupiter-Moon-opposition from 8th to 2nd house, which is a prominent feature in the charts of Johnny Depp and Robert Downey Jr as well, who were known for their selfdestructive behaviour also, at least for a certain time.

An early Scorpio ASC would put Saturn on his MC, where I think it belongs.
And the Uranus-Chiron opposition from 1st to 7th house, with Chiron conjunct DESC; and doesnīt he seem to have issues with relationships? (But then who hasn`t?)

Venus, Jupiter and Mars in Gemini in 8th house would resonate with that strangely brain-controlled compulsive vibe I get of him.

posted July 07, 2011 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
Okay I've been fascinated with Jonathan Rhys-Meyers for a long time and I have always wondered what his ascendent is. Any thoughts? He makes this weird creapy eye smile, that seems scorpio to me, what do you think?

His chart:

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Hah I started a thread with the same topic, but about a musician instead. Don't remember who it was, but they suggested that because I was so fascinated by that musician, he must have a rising which closely aspects (likely conjuncts) some of my placements which are likely to fuel my fascination due to the synastry.

You could start there, perhaps?

In the mean time I'll google JRM's name because the pictures here are not showing

posted July 07, 2011 08:27 AM            

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He was hit hard by the eclipses http://tribune.com.pk/story/200480/jonathan-rhys-meyers-alleged-suicide-attempt/

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That means something around 10 degrees Gemini or Sagittarius, around 26 degrees Gemini or Sagittarius or 10 degrees (I think? ) Cancer or Capricorn?

Just guessing - I have something around those 3 axes and got hit pretty bad too.

Or maybe a square or trine/sextile to all three? Possibly a square if it resulted in suicide attempt

posted July 07, 2011 08:32 AM            

Particularly that "trade mark". Trade mark: his sense of fashion Of course that's very important for a celeb, but surely he has more contents than that? LOL

(Forgot what he looked like, remember him now... He has cool eyes )

posted July 07, 2011 08:35 AM            

No wonder the eclipses hit him hard.

posted July 07, 2011 08:57 AM            

But the ecclipses hit me as well.
NN and Neptune on 10 Sagittarius, ASC on 7 Sagittarius (Jupiter on 11 Pisces and Mars on 5 Sagittarius)

posted July 07, 2011 09:02 AM            

I believe he is in danger, too.
He really needs to get his act together NOW, it`s like the last stop on the fall down, or so it feels to me.
I do not even really know why I care, but for the last days I started feeling very compassionate towards him.

I just think he`s screaming so loudly for help, he just doesn`t know how to accept it. *sighs*

The 6th/ 12th house affliction makes sense to me as well, though i found that people how have a really hard time to let go of their addiction, do often have 8th house emphasis as well, or sometimes even 2nd house, they just cannot let go I guess.

posted July 07, 2011 10:05 AM            

That being said, since I don't have TV and hardly listen to the radio anymore, the celeb news - let alone the news of this celeb - escaped me completely.

posted July 08, 2011 04:55 PM            

He has sun sq uranus for the rebel, or sometimes feeling that they don't belong in the group, it's in fixed signs unfortunately.

Mars is opposing Neptune, enough orb for me, it doesn't have to be close, I'm noticing. These men have a lot to grapple with in terms of male identity, and they feel that it is futile sometimes to even try. They're often artistically talented in some way. They imagine themselves as mythic characters.

I think I'd go with Capricorn or late Sadge asc right now,
http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_1287/jonathan-rhys-meyers/
He's had 2 Scorpio Sun gf's who likely had Sagittarius personal placements.

Toni Collette is Scorp/Virgo/Capricorn
Shared Asc have a lot of affinity. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Collette,_Toni

est tob with current transits

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progressed chart with transits for purported suicide attempt, 6/28/11

posted July 08, 2011 05:23 PM            

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p.merc sq neptune
p.sun sq mars
p.moon sq moon

I guess the reports are that he fell off the wagon again.
He has t.Saturn conj n.Pluto, not easy.

t.Uranus has been going over his p.Moon

The natal Mars in Gemini squaring the p.Sun in Virgo, will be making a tsquare with t.Neptune next yr when it really gets started going in Pisces, so it brings up again the natal mars/neptune dynamic as he has chosen (alcoholic). Doesn't look good there, have got to tell you.
Merc/Nept connection is confused.

t.Pluto has been going over n.karma
t.karma over n.chiron now, squaring natal sun

posted July 11, 2011 09:54 AM            

I agree very much with your final assessment. I actually took your time and rectified it against important dates in his life (Dad leaving the family, getting expelled from school, his mother`s death, break up with his girlfriend, and of course the incident last month), and with an time of 7:52 p.m. or an ASC of 6 Capricorn, all dates fit to a T! I was amazed to see that.

I mean when his Dad left the family, SA Saturn was squaring IC, when hid mum his SA Neptune was conjunct his MC (I think Noel Tyl or Geocosmic Valentine said that often with SA Neptune people disappear from your life, sometimes forever through death,and often there is a feeling of sadness).
When he was expelled from school SA MErcury played a role.

Currently he has sa Pluto conjunct his MC (inner demons becoming very visible?).

Actually if the ASC of 6 Capricorn is right, on the 28th june, there was a T-square of Tr Pluto (6 Cap), Tr Sun (6 Cancer) and Tr Uranus (4 or 5 Aries), and Tr Pluto would have been conjunct his Karma and ASC. The conjunction with ASC would explain that the event was affecting his physicality / body.
At the same time Tr Jupiter was conjunct his Chiron and trine his ASC exact, maybe acting as some sort of guardian angel aspect, especially with Jupiter ruling his 12th house (hospital?).

Also, it means that in this case the ruler of 12th house would be in 6th house conjunct Venus, and both being opposite Moon in 12th house.
Venus rules the IC, so his fragility and issues might have something to do with his roots, maybe his family.

Coincidentally his ex-girlfriend has Venus on 6 Capricorn, which would be on his ASC then.

He apparently has a heart condition (anyone feeling reminded of Elvis BIG TIME? I swear he even LOOKED like the King!); I wonder if Mercury, as the ruler of the 6th house being on the last degree of Leo, also being conjunct 8th house cusp might indicate that.

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posted July 11, 2011 08:17 PM            

Onto JRM ~
I enjoyed reading your analysis and also appreciate the time you put into it finding dates for other events, etc cos I know that can be a pain and putting it all together.
I looked at charts of alcoholics/drug abusers a while back and I just kept noticing the h6/h12 interchange, usually an affliction attached, and sometimes Pisces on a strong angle, so that was my clue, I just threw it out there as a possibility, but if this is close to the actual time (as seen by you in your findings) then that would just work to emphasize for me the signature for abuse of this nature. With that 7:45 chart, and like for the 7:52 as well, h12 cusp is Sadge and Jupiter is in the 6th and opposing Moon in the 12th, so that is what pushed me forward mainly toward using that hard aspect and not another.
I also have to say that I didn't know his life story, and now looking at the chart, I see that Jupiter h12 ruler is conj Venus Ic ruler in the 6th house of health and daily habits opp the Moon. So there is excess there and also loss, Jupiter would be the downfall and it would be in regard to loss in the family as Venus is opp Moon. Moon rules the Dsc so I can guess that maybe partnerships for him keep bringing back this dynamic of loss and excess? Just throwing that out there as obviously I don't know him.
His Dad leaving the family (also which I didn't know) speaks a great deal to the Sun sq Uranus, very classic for that. The Sun/Uranus are the rulers of the 2nd/8th house of resources and riches, maybe the loss of the father had a negative impact on the family finances and led to low worth, esp as the Sun is involved. Sun is strong in Leo, but that factor is weighing it down, and in the 7th it seeks identification with others, so when you're ripped of the man that's supposed to shine this great light in your life you might feel at a loss, and begin behavior that is erratic, that shuns responsibility to a degree.

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Currently he has sa Pluto conjunct his MC (inner demons becoming very visible?).

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At the same time Tr Jupiter was conjunct his Chiron and trine his ASC exact, maybe acting as some sort of guardian angel aspect, especially with Jupiter ruling his 12th house (hospital?).

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Coincidentally his ex-girlfriend has Venus on 6 Capricorn, which would be on his ASC then.

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He apparently has a heart condition (anyone feeling reminded of Elvis BIG TIME? I swear he even LOOKED like the King!); I wonder if Mercury, as the ruler of the 6th house being on the last degree of Leo, also being conjunct 8th house cusp might indicate that.

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posted July 12, 2011 03:00 AM            

I`m just commenting on the "addiction-pattern" (need some time to think these very interesting thoughts of yours through); it makes sense to me.
The 12th house is a Neptunian house and Neptune clearly plays a role in addiction.
Personally I think that the 8th house often plays a role, too; ruled by Pluto it shows compulsion / obsession; maybe it does not relate to addiction "per se", but if there is an addiction, it might make it very hard to break the pattern, as it is a fixed house.

I have Mars in the 12th house conjunct Neptune (5 degrees) on ASC, with the ruler of 2nd in 8th and the ruler of 8th in 2nd, being exactly quinkunx each other (moon in Aquarius in 2nd and Saturn in Cancer in 8th).

I am definitely prone to addiction myself, though not to alcohol or the usual "drugs". I have to keep an eye on my eating behaviour, big time.
Ruler of 12th house is Pluto on the MC in Libra, squaring Venus as ruler of 6th, 5th and 10th house.
(Hide away those sweets, is all I can say. ).

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Anyway back to some known addicts or exaddicts (well, once an addict, always an addict; some just somehow manage to not follow the "siren`s song" anymore).

Johnny Cash
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fully demonstrate that pattern

°Sun, Mercury, Mars in Pisces in 12th house with ASC in Pisces
° Sun/mercury/mars opposing Neptune in Virgo in 6th house

° Neptune, ruler of ASC, in 6th house
° Sun, ruler of 6th house, in Pisces, opposing Neptune in 6th house

° Sun/Mercury/Mars in Pisces in 12th house trine Moon in Scorpio in 8th house

° ruler of 12th house conjuncts DESC-ruler, 2nd house ruler and squares 8th house ruler

There is more, but this shall suffice.
BUT he also had a very generous Leo Jupiter on the cusp of his 6th house! Trine the conjunction of Venus and Uranus in Aries in 1st. So Jupiter is trine the ruler of 12th house.
this might have been helpful.

Robert Downey Jr
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no planets in 6th and 12th house

Ruler of 6th house in Pisces in 8th house:
opposing Mars, Uranus and Pluto in 2nd house

Ruler of 12th house opposing Neptune, which rules 8th house

Johnny Depp
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Moon, as ruler of 12th house, in 6th house
sextile Chiron in Pisces in 8th house (though a sextile does not seem so bad)

square Jupiter, which is the traditional ruler of 8th house

Mars-Uranus-conjunction in 2nd house (maybe unrelated to the addiction-pattern though)

Pluto in 2nd house, as ruler of IC, opposing Chiron in Pisces in 8th

Richard Burton
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Moon and Neptune in 6th house
Neptune, ruler of ASC, (in 6th house)

Sun-Saturn-conjnction in scorpio in 8th house
widely square Neptune in 6th house

ruler of 12th house in Pisces in 1st house
traditional ruler of 12th house in Scorpio in 8th house ocnjunct Sun exact

posted July 12, 2011 04:50 AM            

"but name changes can be a blessing and very freeing "
Yes, especially if you feel like the name isnīt "you" anymore.

"etc cos I know that can be a pain and putting it all together."
Yeah, I was curious. Funnily my Venus is on the exact same degree as his ex girlfriend`s, so it is conjunct his Karma. Maybe that is why I was willing to invest some time into this.

"o that is what pushed me forward mainly toward using that hard aspect and not another."
yes, I definitely think it has to be an hard aspect, which is an indicator for this, so it leaves us only with the opposition of Venus/jupiter-Moon or the square between Sun and Uranus. But that indulgent Venus/jupiter-Moon-opposition, it definitely strikes a chord. but of course that could be because I have Mars/Jupiter-constellations all over my own chart. lol

Actually the Sun-Uranus-square is also an interesting one, as it brings the houserulers of two opposing houses into a challenging aspect also.
In the case of the assumed Cappy ASC, it would be ruler 2 and 8, making a square aspect from 7th and 9th.