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roadwarriorsdp
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posted December 18, 2010 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
more info on the mandala nature of a natal chart...

if you look at a swastica and overlap it with the madra, you will see where the shadow of each of the four major points seeds.


then you can see what signs are in teh shadow,
and you can begin to seperate yourself into two parts with respect to every aspect of your life.


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posted December 18, 2010 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How can I find this?
Never heard of anything you said except the shadow.

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posted December 18, 2010 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a logical deduction....The axis makes a cross, the shadow of which outlines the arc of the circle to the left or up or down or right depending on the side....find the point and move backwords...


I know that the circle works like this because of Jung and his work on mandalas...

It's a correct inference there are no errors...the shadow of the house is behindit. and the shadow of the mc is behind it...

the shadow of anything is behind it from teh perspective of looking at it while its facing the light.

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posted December 18, 2010 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it makes sense. The worst atrocities under man were committed under the symbol, and the symbol is derived from the cross, and teh cross is derived from teh circle...therefore it is the shadow of the cross.

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posted December 18, 2010 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm can you help me find mine?

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posted December 18, 2010 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the circle is symbolized more concisely but less effectively as teh square....the symbol of the circle is too difficult for the laymen who has not the time nor patience to learn it...nor does he see any value...

things of four predicate the presence of something circular........essentially you could visualize this by picturing a cross elevated from a circle...but attached to it...the cross part is above the water...the circle is below the water....

what precludes us from embelishing the circle as a power as potent as the cross, symbolicaly speaking, is are limitation to think linearly.

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posted December 18, 2010 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
your shadow? Your total and complete duality?

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posted December 18, 2010 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes.

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posted December 18, 2010 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I'm done with Banx's chart, repost yours and ill outline it for your in an organized manner...

Ill point out all the shadow points in the circle.

Another thing to remember is that all things grow from the center out, both left and right...another aspect of the multidimensional mandal

or a symbol that represents non-linear time coherently and in a unified manner that works the same no matter where you start on it...

mouthfuls i know...

I would upload these jungian books I have....he's good to read because he compares all things to each toher...it's very objective in nature...

for example he illuminates on the nature of symbolism in dreams and how they relate to the zodiac, christianity, and other spiritual practices.


and he comes to the same conclusion by all of them

that four is a shortcut to the circle, a way to navigate the circle non-linearly, a reconciliation between something that needs to be reduced for functional purposes, at the expense of the whole.

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posted December 18, 2010 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The FAther, Son, holy spirit, mother marry

earth, water, air, fire

are different places on the same circle.

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posted December 18, 2010 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me know when u want to see my chart.
ty!

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posted December 18, 2010 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to have to a take a break for a while...I may not be back on until tomorrow but I'm fatigued thanks for giving me a chance to look at banx's chart...I'm assuming he is your significant other, so to speak.

If so then get him to upload a picture...I want to put a face to the chart, or link me to a picture, if you can an ddo have time...thank you..or just tell him to upload it himself lol, I don't think he's on...also tell him to look over what I wrote so far if he gets a chance...I've pretty much been meditating on his chart so I have a feel of what's lacking....and i have a feel of what i'm lacking now....more specifically, for i knew generally

also upload your chart to this thread, and I will bookmark it and highlight the points of that represent the shadow in the circle.

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posted December 18, 2010 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol.

No we are not an item. I don't even know him.

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posted December 18, 2010 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh....hopefuly het gets on soon then and reads well...

I'm off and on here probably for a bit more and then i may break...remember to upload your chart again when you get a chance...

I'll right a narattive for you involving your first house as well sooner or later...

I'll probably be here a while.

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posted December 18, 2010 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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it makes sense. The worst atrocities under man were committed under the symbol, and the symbol is derived from the cross, and teh cross is derived from teh circle...therefore it is the shadow of the cross.

I'm assuming you mean the Nazi swastika, which is a turned Buddhist symbol that is centuries older than the 1940s.

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posted December 18, 2010 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is my chart.

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posted December 18, 2010 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah.......

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posted December 18, 2010 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
take the shadow of each house and place it on on the corresponding fourth point to dilineate it...

The shadow of the ascendant is flowed into by the shadows of the 11,th 12th, and 1st house....

the shadow of the IC is flowed into by teh shadow of the second third and fourth

the shadow of the decendant is flowed into by the fifth sixth and seventh....

and the shadow of the mc is flowed into by the 8th 9th and 10th.

You have four sides, each one a light and a dark

we are talking about the dark now

each dark is made of three other darks

that flow into it based on the very theories of the charts progression....

what we're doing is isolating the shadow and overlaying it neatly on the three parts...essentially aggregating it...they do this in accounting when they want to seperate and expense from a revenue from a gross number that spans across multiple accounts...

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posted December 19, 2010 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ill run it through....

Psi is in the shadow of the second house, you use 5-10 degrees behind the house, the part that goes into the previous house.

Psy is there for the second house...remember we start one after here....but in a way you can say that the part of the shadow in the first is also carried forward...but for simplicities sake we'll keep it this way...it doesn't matter anyways cause once you do it a few times you'll probably do it that way naturally and then see how once the volume of the circle is filled it spirals up...filled with experience that is not dark or light...that's a dichotomy of the total experience wer ejust dilineating it.

anyways the shadow of the second house is psi and pluto in scorpio energy...they usually say that this is going to just mean the effects of the planet are going to be in the second, but by syncronicity and the law of correspondence we can means this to be the shadow of teh total self, since teh symbol or word shadow has this effect on us subconciously...


the shadow of the third house is sagitarian with the ant star constellation, and the shadow of the fourth house is uranian and saturnine retrograde with capricorn...

so now you have those three shadows form each house

combine them

and that is the shadow of the IC....

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posted December 19, 2010 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How am I suppose to combine them?

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posted December 19, 2010 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 19, 2010 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I combine to make one energy or something?
Sorry Im being a mental midget.

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posted December 19, 2010 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ummm I could recite an alchemical saying but it might just **** you off

"With great skill and care"

but that just basically means meditate on it...

Essentially I would just say that the shadow side of your home life is going to be involved with those planets and energies we mentioned....you kind of already knew that, you just didn't have a way to put it on the circle without moving through the entire houses before...

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posted December 19, 2010 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go ahead.

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posted December 19, 2010 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You knew it cause we say that the parts of the chart expressed or seen are the four points, so at any point if you want to show your shadow, what your doing is what we just did...obviously your mind does it faster and without thinking about it.....

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