posted December 13, 2011 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by LauraSmith:
I think only anyone who has saturn in their 12th house natally has to be carefull with people who's synastry puts more planets in their 12th house. Those with Saturn in the 12th will often find that people who put planets in that house in synastry are friends to their face, but an enemy behind the scenes. Everyone else- those that don't have saturn in their 12th natally can have telepathic responses to people who have planets there- in some cases they could also be secret enemies, but not necessarily. They could just as easily have a special insight to your subconcious which creates deep friendship.

I'm not an astrologer, so take my discovery for whatever it may be worth- but I have yet to know someone who natally has saturn alone in their 12th that did NOT get stabbed in the back eventually by a so called "friend" who's planets fill their 12th. The more planets the person puts in their 12th the more they need to watch their back with that person. For this reason I usually tell my friends who have saturn alone in their 12th to be a tad more careful with those that put a personal planet there- and to just plain stay completely away from anyone that puts several planets there.

These are examples I know:

-German friend with Saturn in the 12th- His fiance had sun & venus in his 12th and his "best friend" had 3 planets in his 12th. His friend stole his fiance from him after a year long affair and his fiance stole a lot of money from right under my German friend's nose.

- Teacher with saturn in the 12th- Another teacher at the school that had Sun & Mercury in her 12th spread false rumours around the school that eventually got her fired. She never knew what hit her because the entire 2 years that she was spreading these lies throughout the school departments she pretended to be her friend.

- Girl with Saturn in the 12th had father with a whopping 4 planets in her 12th. Throughout childhood he made promises to her that he would turn around and break... Would sabotage her efforts at school so she wouldn't succeed at times. Also told her that if she cleaned the house every day throughout highschool he'd pay for her college. She fulfilled her end of the bargain, but when college time came it turned out he spent all the money on luxeries and never saved a dime for her college.

- Spanish Girl is invited out to a bar with her 2 "friends". They both end up ditching her there because they decide to leave with these 2 guys they met. They know that they are her ride home- but they leave anyway. Girl is stuck walking home alone in the middle of the night and ends up getting mugged and almost raped on the way.

I don't know if this applys also to those who have saturn with another planet in their 12th natally because in all the above examples saturn is alone in the house of secret enemies.

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Saturn is alone in my Virgo 12th. I was involved with a guy whose Mars is in my 12th. He was basically trying to use me for sex and pass it off as love. Fortunately, my Sun is in his 12th so I felt paranoid and didn't believe anything he said.

He got mad at me at one point and blabbed to his friend about his relationship with me. She has Mercury conjunct my Ascendant from the 12th House side, as well as Venus and Mars in my 12th. She blabbed about me to HER friends and even had the nerve to talk about my appearance.

I also was backstabbed by a Virgo coworker after transiting Mars went through my 12th. Another coworker with Virgo Venus and Mars was spreading rumors about me during that transit. Her Venus was conjunct my Saturn. (I got her fired for bugging me too much and not letting me work, haha.)

posted December 13, 2011 10:32 AM            

It's very weird. I don't know how to handle the relationship at times, we have a strong pluto in composite. At times I feel I DO know him but at times I pull back and have to think twice about him. It's been an emotional rollercoaster.

It's like, I know he cares about me, but sometimes I question whether he cares about me.

He's not an expressive person with words.

I feel I do give alot more to the relationship than he is, and when I think that way, I become super sad and upset.

But at times I think about the stuff he has to put up with, with me and the small things he DOES do/say...and it's a different story.

I think I always need to find reasons, weigh who did what and how much and therefore X person contributes more to the relationship...and I become a bit resentful...

But I don't know how to exactly "feel" my way through...my feelings are up and down with him. One day it'll be happy and that I wanna be with him and work thru the relationship, the next day I'm contemplating about taking a break and just letting the relationship whither and die cuz I will detach.

posted December 13, 2011 10:49 AM            

Makes sense...it's the "dustbin" house, so the planet would awaken the things the House person has relegated to the unconscious...not important enough to make it to the 10th House, not covet enough to be 7th/DSC. The leftovers that couldn't fit in, but are nevertheless a part of themselves. Maybe that's why this is a common placement for mistress-type relationships. "You're a very special person to me and this is a very special relationship." Oh yeah? Then act like it! Prove it by leaving him/her for me.

I suppose if the House person is true to him/herself, he or she would embrace those apparently insignicant random details that are actually a part of the whole self, that void we all try to fill. But it seems most people pursue their DSC or MC.

So unless the House person is a completely actualized individual, he or she will be somewhat ashamed of their association with the planet person because the planet person is the embodiment of that side of themselves they hide. It would be like walking out in public with your most vulnerable and hidden part hanging out. Exposing.

posted December 13, 2011 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
^ I saw that, haha

Makes sense...it's the "dustbin" house, so the planet would awaken the things the House person has relegated to the unconscious...not important enough to make it to the 10th House, not covet enough to be 7th/DSC. The leftovers that couldn't fit in, but are nevertheless a part of themselves. Maybe that's why this is a common placement for mistress-type relationships. "You're a very special person to me and this is a very special relationship." Oh yeah? Then act like it! Prove it by leaving him/her for me.

I suppose if the House person is true to him/herself, he or she would embrace those apparently insignicant random details that are actually a part of the whole self, that void we all try to fill. But it seems most people pursue their DSC or MC.

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Good way of putting it! Everywhere I read 12th house synastry is just bad.

What's worse is that my guy and I have sun conjunct pluto in the 12th house COMPOSITE and a composite moon in 8th...You can't get anymore "dustbin" and depressed than that.

However, his Sun, Mercury and Saturn fall in my 1st house. My chiron and vertex falls in his 7th house, If I can get a clearer minute to the TOB, my vertex conjuncts his DC.

His NN falls into my 7th house and my moon trines his NN at < 2 deg.

I question my trust in him. Do I really trust this person? Is it that I don't trust him because I feel I cannot become obsessive and possessive over him? (Really sometimes don't like the venus in scorpio aspect...not when I like someone who enjoys personal space)

I even asked him while laying in bed once. I just said it, without even thinking..just fell out of my mouth before I even had the chance to use my hands and cup my mouth and prevent it from coming out. I asked him "Can I trust you?" to which he responded "Can *I* trust you??"

Words doesn't seem to help much at times in our relationship, sometimes its the hug, the touch, the staring into the eyes thing that gives some comfort.

posted December 13, 2011 11:14 AM            

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Words doesn't seem to help much at times in our relationship, sometimes its the hug, the touch, the staring into the eyes thing that gives some comfort.

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posted December 13, 2011 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Oh gawd, this is what I was told too by Mr. 12th House Person.

I never want to see his ******* face again. >=([/b]

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posted December 13, 2011 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
The short of it is, he and I are like day and night. Plus he shares a brain/is joined at the hip/codependent with/practically married to his buddy. I didn't know about this until after the feelings set in, because it was after that point that his buddy decided to move in with him and insist on sucking up alllll his time. In other words, I was tricked into an affair with a virtually married guy lol.

Oh, the effed up stories that sprouted throughout this relationship.....I'm gonna make a movie out of it or something, haha. And make his friend look really bad muahaha >=]

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Hm...a guy married to his buddy...sounds interesting..

Sorry for your lost! If it helps my 12th house guy is a n00b at treating girls. He does some things but its like..some other things he doesn't do and it's like ... dude...wtf, u no0b????!!

posted December 13, 2011 11:43 AM            

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What's worse is that my guy and I have sun conjunct pluto in the 12th house COMPOSITE and a composite moon in 8th...You can't get anymore "dustbin" and depressed than that.

However, his Sun, Mercury and Saturn fall in my 1st house. My chiron and vertex falls in his 7th house, If I can get a clearer minute to the TOB, my vertex conjuncts his DC.

His NN falls into my 7th house and my moon trines his NN at < 2 deg.

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posted December 13, 2011 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
I think that NN of his in your 7th trumps the 12th House ambiguity. His life path leads to partnership with you, at least part of the way.

The upside of 12th House synastry placements may be that he won't have to find his 12th House fulfillments with a mistress - you're the whole deal!

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Awww, you just made my day! Thanks =)
But Astrology Aside..whenever I'm hurt due to his "coldness" at times, I just wanna lash back...even though I'm a libra, I can lash pretty hard and fast with them scales!! But then...for some reason..I couldn't. I would get so heated and angry that I just wanna pack my stuff from his place and get the f out and tell him to screw himself along with his mom and cats while choking on dog food......but I can't. I don't. Last time I got upset and packed, he wouldn't let me go. Times where I wanna go home and pack my stuff, I would sit and all of a sudden a nice voice comes to my head (I swear I'm not crazy but yes its a nice voice) and tells me that love takes patience, time, and that I should do my best to show him this instead of being a d*** and running away all the time.

Well, we got together on some pretty f**ked up and messed up terms...Long story short, most of which you probably know, we both were in a relationship when we met each other and we both cut ties with our previous relationship to pursue this one.

We knew nothing about each other, but we knew we clicked instantly and wanted each other, or atleast HE knew he wanted me, I was too busy thinking about what the hell has gotten over me, that I'm tripping over this guy. We were both contemplating for a bit before we did the final cutting of with the previous relationship and...

we just did it.

We did it like a fat guy eating his 3rd Big Mac even though he's not suppose to given that his doctor warned him about his cholesterol levels and high blood pressure.

I just can't explain the attraction, and to this day I still ask myself wtf draws me to this guy like a magnet.

We fell fast and hard -- like eating 3 big macs super fast and shoving it down your throat cuz you've missed it so much kind-of-hard.

posted December 13, 2011 12:31 PM            

So much intensity, like the two of you have a lot to learn from each other about your own selves but are pressed for time. *sigh* Venus in Scorpio's dream relationship.