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Topic: Sun in the 12th house synastry
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raspberri
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posted December 20, 2010 01:41 AM
  
Is this person secretly your worse enemy?IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted December 20, 2010 01:46 AM
I would have to say no... Not in all cases at least... Pisces Sun is in my 12th, he opened up my unconscious... I wouldn't in any way call him my enemy.. IP: Logged |
BanxManx
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posted December 20, 2010 01:57 AM
My sun is in the 12th, enemy? What is this about?IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted December 20, 2010 01:58 AM
Meaning they would spy on you. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 20, 2010 02:03 AM
Spying is more Plutonian..h8/Scorpio
If their Sun is in your 12th,,they know your secrets, it seems like they don't even have to try, they know what you're hiding every step of the way.IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted December 20, 2010 02:04 AM
Someone who has their Sun at 9 and my 1st house cusp is 12. They do secret things.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 20, 2010 02:06 AM
Well what is their Sun like? Aspects, house, etc.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 20, 2010 05:02 AM
To me, 12th house synastry is my favorite.
It is strange. You have to totally relax and go by your instincts.
You feel your way through the relationship, not think it.
I have 4 planets in his 12th house---sun,moon, Venus and Merc.
It is very,very deep like the waters of Neptune.
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racole12
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posted December 20, 2010 05:08 AM
I have my Sun and Neptune in a very close friend's 12th house (and his jupiter and Moon are in my 12th)... we are always telling the other to stay out of my head. It was uncomfortable at first but after a while it's kind of nice to know that someone exactly knows you that deeply and when we need someone to comfort us usually the other already knows something is up and contacts the other... BUT we both have a lot of Neptune/Pisces in each other's chart and open to that type of connection. IP: Logged |
Agent_009
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posted December 20, 2010 05:24 AM
Natally I have 12H Sun.When I meet people who have their Sun in my 12H, especially when it conjuncts...1 of 2 things happen. 1) We either connect on a deeper level, & I get premonition or past life dreams about them...etc. 2) They're always the first to sabotage me in some way. Biggest lesson learnt, one of my first gigs ever on set...I met this actress girl who's Sun conjuncts mine. She pretended to be my best bud, until I started feeling weird vibes from her. She was sabotaging me behind my back to the producers etc. The sleazebag producer she was sucking up to actually ended up cutting me from production. He told me they were trying to save budget, but I found out it's really cuz she wanted me gone. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted December 20, 2010 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by raspberri:
Meaning they would spy on you.
From my experice and we do have pluto things going on, but I dont go spy.. This has been totally one sided... The planet person is really paranoid about the 12th House person. OMG.. Its kinda insane. I got accused of all kinds of things, I was like OMG where do you get these things from???? Im scratching me head....
DO you know when I leave early its for a "booty call" this is what he told me.. lol
I told him its not true.. He's sounded like a lil boy.. "its not??????" you sure?????? I did find out, that Pisces requested me as a Friend on FB under another name.. Only I declined the request since I had no clue who it was... I kept seein you many know this person, so I went and looked deeper into it, the email address was in my contacts.. BAM.. it was Pisces... lololololololol... I TOTALLY BUSTED HIM... I called him, and he admited it all.. Saying Aww Im just messing with you...
Whatever.... ha ha ha ha... Anyways He "feels" that he knows me secrets, but honestly I dont think he see's every thing accurately... He's convinced him self some things, and he's let the paranoia get the better of him.. FEELING he KNOWS... When truth be told he's incorrect.. I have told him many many many times, but he wont believe it, because he "knows" for a fact....
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ChristyT
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posted December 20, 2010 01:50 PM
I have every personal planet in the 12th house. I am either blind to and attract losers or l am aware and attract the most profound and spiritual people to me.
It's like a lottery which one it's going to be. Most of the time, l am unaware and naive to nasty peoples motives  IP: Logged |
blonderiverkat
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posted December 20, 2010 02:11 PM
This is very interesting...my daughter has her Capricorn in my 12th House. I haven't been as close to her as I am to my sons since she has reached adulthood. I did however find out very recently that we both are from the Pleaides Star System...I feel now however, that we are about to become closer, as we are perhaps finding out what our purpose is in coming here in these times.  IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted December 20, 2010 07:14 PM
Ok.. Here's another example of what happens with us.. I couldnt say earlier because I was at work.. 2 Mondays ago, I went to work, I was feeling really tired, and drained. So I asked my boss for the rest of the week off.. I also ask for the next Tues and Wed off... I tell Pisces I going to take the rest of the week off.. He says why?? I tell him because Im drained and I need some rest... He goes I dont understand why your feeling that way, we have been slow, whats really going on? I say Nothing Im just feeling extra tired and I need to get away.. I just need some extra sleep.... He says oooooooo ok... ic then... talk to you next week then..
So then on Monday I saw him for a split second.. I was busy catching up with all the work,I missed the week before... I didnt tell him about Tues and Wed... So he didnt see me...
He hears that I took tues and wed off, and that I will be back Thursday... So he goes and takes Thursday off. He's off Fri's.. So then today Monday he's at my desk at 7:05 am, asking me for someone.. I say that person isnt in the office,he's on vac but you can email him.. he says ooo noooooo... He see's im sick.. He goes YOUR SICK???? I say yes.. Ive been sick all weekend.. He smiles ear to ear.. and takes off....
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Ursa
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posted December 20, 2010 08:17 PM
Ami Anne-I'm very curious to know how your sun in his 12th feels to you. I gravitate toward the 12th house as you might remember and I like the way you think.  I would also be curious to know from others if any of you felt that you had more clarity when a partner's sun was tenanting your 12th house. I have experienced the placement going both ways. It doesn't get deeper than this but it requires maturity that many people lack. It can be unnerving. I think it creates suspicion or unease as a primary byproduct and if that isn't kept in check it can become an escalating feedback loop of negativity. IP: Logged |
LauraSmith
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posted December 20, 2010 10:25 PM
I think only anyone who has saturn in their 12th house natally has to be carefull with people who's synastry puts more planets in their 12th house. Those with Saturn in the 12th will often find that people who put planets in that house in synastry are friends to their face, but an enemy behind the scenes. Everyone else- those that don't have saturn in their 12th natally can have telepathic responses to people who have planets there- in some cases they could also be secret enemies, but not necessarily. They could just as easily have a special insight to your subconcious which creates deep friendship.I'm not an astrologer, so take my discovery for whatever it may be worth- but I have yet to know someone who natally has saturn alone in their 12th that did NOT get stabbed in the back eventually by a so called "friend" who's planets fill their 12th. The more planets the person puts in their 12th the more they need to watch their back with that person. For this reason I usually tell my friends who have saturn alone in their 12th to be a tad more careful with those that put a personal planet there- and to just plain stay completely away from anyone that puts several planets there. These are examples I know: -German friend with Saturn in the 12th- His fiance had sun & venus in his 12th and his "best friend" had 3 planets in his 12th. His friend stole his fiance from him after a year long affair and his fiance stole a lot of money from right under my German friend's nose. - Teacher with saturn in the 12th- Another teacher at the school that had Sun & Mercury in her 12th spread false rumours around the school that eventually got her fired. She never knew what hit her because the entire 2 years that she was spreading these lies throughout the school departments she pretended to be her friend. - Girl with Saturn in the 12th had father with a whopping 4 planets in her 12th. Throughout childhood he made promises to her that he would turn around and break... Would sabotage her efforts at school so she wouldn't succeed at times. Also told her that if she cleaned the house every day throughout highschool he'd pay for her college. She fulfilled her end of the bargain, but when college time came it turned out he spent all the money on luxeries and never saved a dime for her college. - Spanish Girl is invited out to a bar with her 2 "friends". They both end up ditching her there because they decide to leave with these 2 guys they met. They know that they are her ride home- but they leave anyway. Girl is stuck walking home alone in the middle of the night and ends up getting mugged and almost raped on the way. I don't know if this applys also to those who have saturn with another planet in their 12th natally because in all the above examples saturn is alone in the house of secret enemies. IP: Logged |
Got Gemini??
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posted December 21, 2010 01:34 AM
My 12th house is Leo and I LOVE Leo women! Well, it also doesn't hurt that my mom's a Leo Sun.------------------
Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc And yes, I'm a guy! IP: Logged |
mir
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posted December 21, 2010 07:25 AM
My 12th house is Leo and its ruler (my Sun) is falling in my 12th.
Except for my mom (Leo-Sun) I've no experience with Suns falling in my 12th.
The truth is that my sister is always accusing me of not SEEING my mom for who she really is, how vulnerable she is, how she's not taking care of herself enough etc.
That's really strange because I take my mom extremely serious in whatever she feels/wants and I don't treat her like a child like she does. If my mom doesn't want to eat or doesn't want to sleep (my mom has Cancer ) I accept it but my sis becomes angry with her and forces her to sleep/eat. My mom can be a bit of a rebel then but afterwards she seems happy she went to sleep..
If *WE* ask my mom about it.. she's strongly denying that she needs an *upper-hand* and then my sis is accusing her of wearing a mask in front of me.
I'm still a bit confused about HOW to treat her sometimes..I don't know if this has anything to do with the 12th house but it's the most striking thing right now.
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Ami Anne
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posted December 21, 2010 09:20 AM
Daer Ursa
Thank you for your sweet words. Right back at ya 
Well, in my synastry ,my sun,moon, venus and mercury are in his 12th house.
Further, we have a Moon/Pluto Double Whammy,exact Venus(me) trine Pluto(him)
His Nessus is an exact conjunction(15 seconds off) from my Sun and on and on in this vein.
So, it is hard for me to narrow down one aspect and link it to how the synastry feels.
I can speak in general terms, though. I have only felt this bonded to one adult in my life, my grandmother.
When she died,I wailed like an animal. I remember that they sent me home from work cuz I was crying like a possessed person lol I would say that the 12th house synastry is one where the person gets under your skin and in your heart in a womb -like way (Neptune)
Neptune does not have words for how it feels. It just feels.
This type of relationship cannot be explained in words.
I am a Gem and WANTED to put it in to words so I could understand it better.
I gave up and decided just to "feel" it.
In a word, I think 12th house synastry must be "felt" not "thought"
That was one huge lesson it taught me, among many others lol
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Lioness
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posted December 21, 2010 10:49 PM
Hey Ami... Your synastry is like me and pisces.. Have your realized that? His, Sun,Mars,Merc in my 12th..
yes I cant put it into words.. DW moon trine pluto
DW venus quix Moon T square with
Chiron/Venus/ my uranus,his pluto/ Ohh and Neptune ooooo the fogggg...
His moon conjunct my neptune
his neptune conjunt my Mc
============================ Do you guys mirror each other... I think I finally see why we are so much alike... but different..
We have alot of the same aspects, only in different houses/signs... We just see eye to eye, even though our mars/venus are opposite signs... I know why now, he cant tell me his feelings and why I cant tell him... See Im learning
We are both very good at hiding it.. We are still talking.. just about everyday now.... I asked him if he could help me put my son's xmas toys together and he said for you anyday!! IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted December 21, 2010 11:17 PM
2 best friends,with their moon in each other's 12th H. U would say when u'd see them that better friendship doesn't exist. They are constantly and secrectly and out of their free,active will against each other. Completely depending on each other,in the means of support,there is care,and completely feeding themselves on each other's flaws. But one of them has 12th H saturn,and she is weaker,yet more dangerous.
I personally had other's sun in my 12th H,along with my mercury,they hated my gutts,and kept gossiping around.
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nordicsoul
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posted December 22, 2010 02:41 PM
I think only anyone who has saturn in their 12th house natally has to be carefull with people who's synastry puts more planets in their 12th house. Those with Saturn in the 12th will often find that people who put planets in that house in synastry are friends to their face, but an enemy behind the scenes. Everyone else- those that don't have saturn in their 12th natally can have telepathic responses to people who have planets there- in some cases they could also be secret enemies, but not necessarily. They could just as easily have a special insight to your subconcious which creates deep friendship.
__________________________________________I have saturn in 12 alone and I met this guy whose most planets fall in my 12. he was so into me... my planets also fall into his 12...i dont know but i dumped the guy because i couldnt trust him. he was always available and seems to be really interested, but i decided to follow my instincs. somethig was fishy with this guy, but i cannot tell why... so i cannot provide evidence about being stabed by a "friend", but normally my gut feeligs are right. so, this is one more case to the assumption of people with saturn in 12 should be careful about people with planets in their 12. i did not know that info though. it was just my intuition.. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted December 22, 2010 02:54 PM
one more thingI have saturn in 12 and north node and I forgot to meantion that my ex-husband has his moon in my 12, but he was always a good person to me and still we are friend. I dont think the hidden enemy works with him. I dated a guy with his moon and venus in my 12 and although i never thrust him totally, he had something of a good heart, but yes, not a trustworthy person for me. anyway, my saturn is well aspected with my moon, and my ex husband had his moon trine mine. IP: Logged |
persephone33
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posted December 22, 2010 04:46 PM
Wow- I must be the only one who's never had an issue with people who's planets fall in my 12th house or with my planets falling into someone's 12th house. In fact, I am very close with those who I have a 12th house connection- my brother and my three best friends come to mind. My brother's sun and mercury fall in my 12th house. We tend to be "behind the scenes" in each other's lives- i.e. we confide in each and tell each other things that we don't even tell our family members or even our significant others! My best friend, Alex, has his moon in my 12th house and it's the same thing- we confide and rely on each other. My best friend, Zarine, has 12th house saturn and I do agree that it does create some "karmic" situations that the native doesn't know how to handle. My sun and mercury fall in her 12th house and she and I have been best friends since we were freshmen in HS. She relies on me for emotional support so that she can better handle the difficult situations that life throws her. I think the 12th house can be a "make or break" house- you either trust the person intuitively or you don't. The 12th house connection is always difficult to explain and always a connection based on feeling and intution (and sometimes based on past karma). IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted December 22, 2010 09:51 PM
His Sun is well aspected. IP: Logged |
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