posted December 22, 2010 04:15 PM            

I'm a sagittarius with leo ascendant and aries moon. Optimism helps me to move along - without it, I'm like a deer frozen in headlights. Optimism is fuel. In the midst of a bad situation, I always find good. Now, the thing is, is that something that is good just something to do in order to avoid the bad situations going on. Not all the time but sometimes, it is.

In the past, even the most sinister person had their 'good' qualities about them. Even a place one person would consider a dump will have gems that a Sag will pick up on. It's funny because it isn't that hard for me to be cheered up or optimistic. Sometimes it can take a ray of sunshine, a joke, watching animals interact, and romanticizing human interaction (yes, I cry with joy over the birth of a baby, I cry over weddings, soft furry cuddly creatures, a couple holding hands, an infant taking their first walk, etc.). It's not abnormal to think that there is more than meets the eye, that there could be a higher power, that the higher power has a sense of humor, that life goes on even after death, that anything is possible which means there are opportunities, etc. Heck, some of us have our own experiences to back it up with.

Do I struggle with truth and fiction? Of course! With optimism, anything is possible which is why distinguishing truth from fiction is so complicated. When you look upon life with optimism, anything is possible (if not now, someday). A Sagittarius may notice that certain things aren't going right but quickly drop it to indulge in those things that SEEM to be going right. A Sagittarius could claim that it was meant to be while their house is burning down to the ground. Also, our clumsiness and the reaction received because of it also encourages our optimism. For some reason, we are funny when we don't mean to be. For the most part, we have a way of making some people feel 'better', even at our own expense. With the right people and interests around them, a Sag could feel like the depths of hell is a cool place to hang out at. It's ironic that our optimism can be the guiding force in handling our business but it can also be a guiding force in bailing out of our responsibilities.

I know that my optimism may be a little overboard at times but so too is the depression. The depression can be short-lived and deep. Another matter is moving too fast with some things and too slow on other things.

This woman may have been more comfortable with talking and sharing her alternative 'solution' rather than tell it like it is or accepting things as they are - 'I'm sick and I need help'. There is a possibility that right now she could be struggling with how she feels about being 'here' today and gone tomorrow because she could possibly have all sorts of pros and cons for both situations. I can also see that instead of facing the fact that she is sick, she chose to learn about alternative treatments and dropped the ball on the fact that her sickness is much more sensitive than she wants to believe. Researching and sharing alternative treatments was her 'optimistic' way of handling her situation but it sounds like it was also a way to avoid the possibility that it may not cure her.

Now that I think about it - my family is a guiding force in 'grounding' me which is ironic because I have Jupiter in Cancer in the 11th house. What I desire for my family is always challenged and has pushed me to handle responsibilities connected to that thus learning how to survive too. I would think that whatever sign Jupiter is in, maybe those people/places/things that can help 'ground' a Sagittarius and the house it is in, is that area we strive to succeed in. I know a Sagittarius who has Jupiter in Libra in the 5th house - their love relationship with their mates has always been a challenge for them however, they are loved and respected by their (and others) children, people respect their opinions and thoughts, and they are creative. Even though their love relationships have been challenging throughout their lives, those unions produced children, pushed them to perservere and accomplish, and to be a joy to be around for people of all walks of life.

posted December 22, 2010 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
I totally agree Gypsee

The Sagittarian Mantra is

Positive thoughts bring positive actions

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posted December 22, 2010 04:58 PM            

When dealing with a Sag..they must have an elevated conscious for starters or yes I feel they can become so detached from reality that their actions and decisions seem to be delusional...but look at the Sag Energy it is ruled by Jupiter...the Super Galactice Center has been in Sag for hundreds of years now...when a Sag turns inward they are met with a fountain of happiness and a Spiritual connection from within that they can get lost in. The world can appear to harsh when the Energy is in the personal planet placement.....and that attempt to avoid it can come of as delusional.

posted December 22, 2010 05:04 PM            

I just never realized the potential pitfalls to the sign, until recently.

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
I know what you are saying about the Sagittarian Energy...I have a Sag moon conjunct Neptune in the 4th house opposing my Karma/Destinn Asteroids.

When dealing with a Sag..they must have an elevated conscious for starters or yes I feel they can become so detached from reality that their actions and decisions seem to be delusional...but look at the Sag Energy it is ruled by Jupiter...the Super Galactice Center has been in Sag for hundreds of years now...when a Sag turns inward they are met with a fountain of happiness and a Spiritual connection from within that they can get lost in. The world can appear to harsh when the Energy is in the personal planet placement.....and that attempt to avoid it can come of as delusional.

But one cannot apply this to all Sags. Take each one in stride because when a Soul is ruled by the Energy of Sag and they know they have found the one you would be surprised at what their connection to Spirit can bring out of them...they can be a fountain of intelligent converation, witty statements and unconditional love but these are the Centaurs that have wings.

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posted December 22, 2010 05:49 PM            

I know what PSQ is talking about RE: the white elephant in the room. But I am not like that. I WANT to discuss those things... however, I just don't see the point in beating a dead horse (I can't stand the thought of a dead horse!!!!)

posted December 22, 2010 07:03 PM            

I'm always afraid somewhat to let go into that energy...

What is your perspective of the 9th house energy?

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
PlutoSquared, u r such an exemplary 3rd house saturn! When is that 9th H sun gonna kick in
Btw,the most fantastic thing to see in a chart is sun/venus/jupiter in 9th or good aspects between sun&moon.

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posted December 23, 2010 07:55 AM            

Methinks an un-evolved Sag is as irritating as an un-evolved [insert other sign here].

I find Centaurs have access to the full spectrum of emotions, and this allows them to play Devil's Advocate quite a lot, as friends to other signs. This can be good or annoying, depending on the state of the friend.

Depressed and/or pessimistic people should note: Sag simply has to sense you WANT to help yourself, if you want a balanced opinion. This has to take place before they can support you with more than what will come off as just optimistic philosophical psychobabble. If you're actively, consciously, continuously wallowing in your misery to extract the last ounce of meaning from it (sorry to my Scorpio best friend), Sag will lose patience, regurgitate some recycled philosophies unenthusiastically, and come off like some dillusional nutjob, unaware of reality.

Sag's mission is to spread joy with joy. Not with sympathy, kindness, commiseration and etc (though Sag is abundant in these, too), however more so simply with joy. Is that being 'overly optimistic'? Not sure.

I am a Sag Moon, and have learned first hand from internal conflict how it's blessed my Cancerian Sun's brooding darkness, by balancing it out with a certain positive strength, faith and a killer ability to find humour in everything.

posted December 23, 2010 10:22 AM            

I hope this doesn't bring down Saggies, too much - but it was an issue I REALLY wanted to understand, and think I have somehow better understood since reading the posts here.

You're absolutely RIGHT about the un-evolved signs of any sign, and I do make that distinction. There are Saggies that I know that are great, awesome, fun and responsible people.

Anyways, though - I am VERY interested in how that Cancer Sun/Sagittarius Moon works!!!

posted December 23, 2010 10:30 AM            

In my experience with Sags, I find the level of education has a huge factor on optimism vs general reality.
The higher the educational value, the greater the balance in their natural optimistic thought.

I adore Sags and find their conversations uplifting ... rather they are well educated or not. Both bring much to the table.

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted December 23, 2010 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Moons of Jupiter,

Anyways, though - I am VERY interested in how that Cancer Sun/Sagittarius Moon works!!!

My son has that! Cancer ASC/Cancer Sun/Saggie Moon

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Pluto, your son and I could be astro twins, I have a Cancer ASC as well as Cancer Sun, and Moon Sag. You'll more than likely have someone who really loves life, understands people, and is emotionally well balanced most of the time, but could end up with more than a few issues with 'intense' people if they're not careful. They attract needy people, because of that balance of Cancerian sympathy and intuition, and Sag's ability to brighten the world. He'll have to learn to say no.

As a child I was artistic and academic, a bit of an 'old soul', and a bit of a performer and attention hag, too. My parents were harsh and detached with my dreams and thoughts, though, and compared me to other people a lot, which made me lose confidence in myself as a teen and believe that other people were simply better than me and luckier in life. Obviously not the case, but explains why I became so hell bent on traveling away (been traveling on my own since I was 15), and frequently move countries. I'm also on my second university degree - Jupiter overload, anyone? :P Anyhow so I all I can say is to support his emotional 'travels', talk to him and teach him about PEOPLE and the games they play, give him room to move but let him know you'll always be there, and never manipulate him with your role as a mother (my oldies did this a lot, ugh). I'm sure you wouldn't anyway.

What are you finding him like as a person?

Best of luck in any case, you're blessed.

posted December 24, 2010 12:38 AM            

HAHA. He is WONDERFUL! I love how he is exactly what I wanted in a son - he's both lovey dovey and clingy with me, but also gives me a break to go on an adventure around the house.

He's very sensitive, but VERY SOCIAL.

His Saggy moon is starting to show in a great sense of humor. WE have a great time together... I make him laugh when he wants to pout, and he gets my attention and lightens me up when I'm too focused.

He is also STRONG! He also has a 1st house sun, and wants to do what HE WANTS... I just let him be him... he seems happy.