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PlutoSquared
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posted December 22, 2010 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sagittarians: Delusional?

I had put forth some good questions there and it looks like it's gone...

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VenusDiSirius
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posted December 22, 2010 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have some substantial saggitarius file... Post questions again

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posted December 22, 2010 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okies...

Let me try to word it correctly again.

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posted December 22, 2010 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been noticing how difficult it is for Sagittarians to tell "truth from fiction" or "lies from truth" even suffering from delusions of grandeur... that the whole world is just a bowl of cherries and everything is rosey and fine...

Until reality hits.

I was recently reading a blog of a sagittarian woman who was diagnosed with breast cancer, and refused further medical treatment.

She was convinced she could beat the cancer on her own, with a raw food diet, alone.

The cancer surfaced, scabbed, oozed, and started eating surrounding tissue.

Then the blog abruptly stopped. There was an update some 6 months later from a relative saying that this woman was in Australia fighting advanced breast cancer, and donations were appreciated.

Is it HARD for Sagittarians to take in a balanced reality? Because it seems that they are blinded by their own optimism.

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posted December 22, 2010 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chaos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup, their best trait is optimism...also, their WORST trait is optimism...it's not so much about denying truth, it's about BELIEVING they'll somehow make it, no matter what...it's kinda weird...

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posted December 22, 2010 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sagittarius doesn't do anything balanced. And optimism by nature isn't balanced. Optimist's MO is defence mechanism. Dillusion is active.
Sagittarius people are hedonists=they live NOW. And as long they are NOW there doesn't have to be anything out there,even the real world. Sagittarius is don quixotte.
And that lady with cancer... She has some stong water,i bet. She problably was on feelings and not on brains. Sagittarius works on brains and intuition(fire trait)

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posted December 22, 2010 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, PS. It glitched when FrozenQueen posted, and it also glitched her account out of existence. POOF! Merc Rx! Grrrrr!

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posted December 22, 2010 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Sagittarius doesn't do anything balanced. And optimism by nature isn't balanced. Optimist's MO is defence mechanism. Dillusion is active.
Sagittarius people are hedonists=they live NOW. And as long they are NOW there doesn't have to be anything out there,even the real world. Sagittarius is don quixotte.
And that lady with cancer... She has some stong water,i bet. She problably was on feelings and not on brains. Sagittarius works on brains and intuition(fire trait)


Ok. Well, then. Wow. I just made a pretty important connection that will be important for me in the future...

I'm an Aries and a lot of Sagittarius people seem to find me...

It's just frustrating that there are like "limits" to what they can accept and deal with...

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posted December 22, 2010 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Sorry, PS. It glitched when FrozenQueen posted, and it also glitched her account out of existence. POOF! Merc Rx! Grrrrr!


Aww. Poor FrozenQueen.

Mercury retrograde is so apparent here!

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posted December 22, 2010 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chaos:
Yup, their best trait is optimism...also, their WORST trait is optimism...it's not so much about denying truth, it's about BELIEVING they'll somehow make it, no matter what...it's kinda weird...

Thanks Chaos. I can see where this is definitely a nice trait, but also a bad one, too.

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posted December 22, 2010 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PlutoSquared,they do push envelopes! Just those are relevant only to them and i can not explain enough how healthy that can be! To fully build your own personality. And when u r good with yourself... Are there anything impossible left ?
Sure,there r no limits with aries do u have strong earth?

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posted December 22, 2010 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus,

Actually, I have NO earth, at all.

The thing that brings me down is Saturn in 3rd in Libra opposed my Aries sun in 9th.

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posted December 22, 2010 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here it is! I was looking for this one.

Well, anyway, to add to the last poster, we really DO believe that there isn't anything we cannot accomplish. We are born this way.

So, I was telling you last night that I can see about the lady with the cancer thinking that she could rid herself of it.
Personally that isn't how my Sag stuff manifests because of that 6th h stellium, unfortunately I know all too well the reality of being sick. But, having said that, it's other ways in which I too have been 'delusional' as was stated.

Like there have been times when I didn't have money to pay the bills and just decided that I wouldn't worry about it, that something would happen, and it would be fine.

Sometimes it was fine and sometimes I had no water! but that is in essence a sag trait, to laugh it off because in the end, nothing is all that bad.
You get through it, and the stress of worry is much worse.

*except for your example. Which just sucks, and I feel awful for that lady.

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posted December 22, 2010 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally agree Gypsee

The Sagittarian Mantra is

Positive thoughts bring positive actions

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posted December 22, 2010 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a pessimistic neurotic sag. Can I off balance the over-zealous optimistic ones?

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posted December 22, 2010 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now, I AM INTRIGUED, Mochai! Maybe!

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posted December 22, 2010 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay! *happy dances*

I have active kundalini and have had health problems that cause depression personally. I have moon opposite pluto in the 4rth as well as saturn in the 4rth, chiron retrograde in the 11th and nessus retrograde in the 1st conjunct logos and mars (7th) square dejanira (4rth) and sedna conjunct my moon (super victim!).

I have a late sag friend as well and he spent much of his life being severely neglected and he had to teach himself to read and didn't go to a public school till 14. His mother later got indited on animal cruelty and neglect making the front page news. We're both pretty depressed and worrisome and people who are more honest to us call us neurotic, so I think we can be brought down in some ways. I am pessimistic about all interpersonal relationships and how good people are but I do admit to sometimes being optimistic because it's either that or I'll stare longingly at every overpass (hopefully people don't understand that). I know a sag friend of a friend who was raised in horrid circumstances and she is described as being the most negative person he knows. We are by in large probably too optimistic however. Hopefully that'll pay off when we can manifest our own reality better

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posted December 22, 2010 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually the blind optimisim is a problem my family has, and they have next to no sag in them. I'll be talking about things that are blatantly obvious and they'll pretend they don't exist or it's not happening and it really irks me! Then they get angry because I brought it up. It's like if they can pretend it's not happening it'll go away.

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posted December 22, 2010 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm personally big on the Law Of Attraction, so I find Sags refreshing. What's wrong with thinking mountains can fly? Linda did.

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posted December 22, 2010 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm personally big on the Law Of Attraction, so I find Sags refreshing. What's wrong with thinking mountains can fly? Linda did.


Because Mountains CAN'T fly, Randall. It's the truth. Imagination, hope, faith are beautiful things, but they NEED a little balance? No?

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posted December 22, 2010 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They need to be grounded to reality. But if in reality buddhist monks can fly..

I personally believe that we are not purified on an energy level enough to manifest our own reality perfectly. There was however a really cool study on cancer patients and who died vs those who survived. The cancer patients who were most likely to survive vehemently denied they had any form of illness and acted as if they were fine and pretended they weren't on chemo. The same thing works with healers studied in Princeton's intention experiments. The best healers invisioned no illness or ailment to heal but that the person was in perfect health.

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posted December 22, 2010 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mochai:
Actually the blind optimisim is a problem my family has, and they have next to no sag in them. I'll be talking about things that are blatantly obvious and they'll pretend they don't exist or it's not happening and it really irks me! Then they get angry because I brought it up. It's like if they can pretend it's not happening it'll go away.

YES! That's the unnerving thing. I just don't like not being able to talk about "the elephant in the room".

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posted December 22, 2010 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mochai,

I agree that attitude has been shown to have a great affect on health. But, there is an extreme to this behavior that leads to recklessness, destruction, and even death...

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Originally posted by mochai:
They need to be grounded to reality. But if in reality buddhist monks can fly..

I personally believe that we are not purified on an energy level enough to manifest our own reality perfectly. There was however a really cool study on cancer patients and who died vs those who survived. The cancer patients who were most likely to survive vehemently denied they had any form of illness and acted as if they were fine and pretended they weren't on chemo. The same thing works with healers studied in Princeton's intention experiments. The best healers invisioned no illness or ailment to heal but that the person was in perfect health.


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posted December 22, 2010 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True. There's a balance to it and I'm one of those people who believes books like the secret are meant to keep us ignorant and shut down to certain things. How can we heal our subconcious if we refuse to see it?

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posted December 22, 2010 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sorry, PS. It glitched when FrozenQueen posted, and it also glitched her account out of existence. POOF!

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