posted December 28, 2010 01:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Yea I read that in your other post..

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awesome........

BTW...

I am not the newbie that you think I am.. I answered that in another thread Been around the astro block MORE than a few times thank you

posted December 28, 2010 02:17 AM            

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Originally posted by BearsArcher:
awesome........

BTW...

I am not the newbie that you think I am.. I answered that in another thread Been around the astro block MORE than a few times thank you

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Your assumption is incorrect.

posted December 28, 2010 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
And the Moon is the dispositor of the Uranus in Cancer that is squaring the Libra stellium.

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posted December 28, 2010 06:26 AM            

It doesn't matter if she was possessed or not because if she had been mentally healthy beforehand she would not have been so open to outside forces.

posted December 28, 2010 11:14 AM            

With this birth-time, her Ascendant conjuncts Asteroid LUCIFER exact.

On the day of death, Tr LUCIFER was conjunct Natal HEKATE, dark goddess of rituals. She also has KAALI square Saturn exact in her Natal Chart.

In her 1968 SR Chart, SR South Node conjunct Natal LUCIFER.This was the trigger.

The other four people would not have had the same birth time by simple law of probability, and hence escaped the Luciferian Connection to the Ascendant.

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posted December 28, 2010 11:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Your assumption is incorrect.

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posted December 28, 2010 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
road, what house does neptune rule, and what house is it placed in? ty

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neptune is ruler of the 10th or 11th or the doorway to my 10th house interception...

it is in capricorn in the 7th on the shadow of the 8th conjunct the sun in cap in the 8th...it's at about 2 degrees capricorn and then sun is at about 7 degrees...and the 8th house cusp is at about 4 degrees...

pisces is the sign and house it rules....pisces is in the 11th, using placidius, in the 10th intercepted using koch.

and it has my moon mars and pallas athene in there..

pallas athene has all hard aspects.

posted December 28, 2010 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Why would 5 people who have the same birthday lead the same life? If they're all from the same mother/father then maybe I can see a correlation, but even then it's very iffy.

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I never said that

You didn't read what I wrote properly.

Let me reiterate.

I said

"We don't know if they had similar experiences as her."

also

there is no birthtime listed,and so
everything that you say is just mere speculation

any astrologer can give a list of transits and secondary progressions, etc to confirm a hypothetical birthtime

There are still 4 people that was born on the same day,month,and year as she was.

I am already skeptical of rectifications because they are very hypothetical.

A good test would be
to get the best astrological rectification experts and see if they come up with the same birthtime

The astrologers using different systems too

6 different Astrologers strictly using the following systems:

Mainstream Western Astrology
Classical Astrology
Cosmobiology
Uranian Astrology
Vedic Astrology
Western Sidereal Zodiac Cyril Fagan Astrology

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posted December 28, 2010 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Moons Of Jupiter:
Thanks for your input, y'all.

Her Moon was definitely not in Scorpio, I tried 21 September 23:59 birthtime, and it was still in Libra.

Really interesting that the Moon's activity features so prominently in her chart, and yet it was in Libra, not a sign you would traditionally consider susceptible to psychotics (am I wrong, though?)

Lonalake - I read your analysis with fascination. Reading it, I got this feeling like the planets' afflictions just assaulted her constantly, no break, no respite. Just when one thing moves on, another one comes in double dose. Poor girl. I have no doubt she believed it, and that perhaps is the spookiest thing, because I don't think she was crazy.

Somehow, seeing it all and listening to the tapes, it just doesn't sit well with a purely medically diagnosable condition. Then again, I believe that dark forces do single certain people out. And it it perhaps those most committed and obsessed (therefore vulnerable) to expelling them. Anneliese was deeply religious and sensitive to atonement for others' sins. Somewhere along the the line, darkness slipped through the cracks.

Glaucus - granted an exact birth time would be more helpful with analysis. However, there is no denying that sharing your birthday with at least 9 million other people on the planet (apparently the statistic right now) would signify that people wouldn't necessarily all be open to the same issues. Also, would you mind explaining what this means on a psychological level? "transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino, Ixion in 29'47 Gemini
square Sun " - I'd be much obliged!

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Libra is not a sign traditionally associated with being psychotic, but you have to look at the overall chart. You have to look at aspects to the Moon. There is a strong possibility that the Moon conjuncts Neptune. That would modify it so the the Libra Moon is far more sensitive and imaginative which can make it more susceptible to being psychotic.

I didn't say that a person with same birthday would make them susceptible to the same issues. I was only pointing out the fact that at least 4 other people were born on the same month,day,and year as her. Lonake is using transits,etc to list what happen to her. However, those other 4 people had the same transits too. There is no telling what time they were born either.

A lot of its speculation.

Sun square transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino Ixion is like having Sun square Pluto. There is much intensity and sensitivity. I believe that the latter tends to be overlooked in Pluto aspects.
Ixion is a transneptunian like Pluto. That means that both orbit beyond Neptune.
Ixion is a plutino. That means that Ixion has 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune like Pluto does. That means for every 3 times Neptune orbits the Sun, Pluto and Ixion orbit twice. As a rule, plutinos are named after mythological underworld characters. Ixion was named after Lapith king who was punished in Tartarus which is where the wicked were punished in the Underworld. It was like the Greek version of Hell.

All the planets beyond Saturn are referred to as outerplanets, and so they are related to metaphysical energies. Uranus is the planet of liberation from boundaries as it breaks way with its need for independence,and it is associated with innovation and intuitive flashes. Neptune is the planet of dissolution of boundaries as it pierces the veil to reveal another world,and it is associated with imagination,inspiration, and psychism. Pluto is the planet of elimination of boundaries, and is compared to being the other side. This could be death,afterlife,or could be the subterranean depths of the human psyche. It is possible that Pluto's fellow transneptunian objects could be similar to Pluto. I believe that Pluto and its fellow transneptunians can be energies so metaphysical that they can be hard to handle and can manifest as problems on the physical plane such as serious health problems,psychiatric disorders.

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posted December 28, 2010 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by BearsArcher:
She had a compromised temporal lobe which caused epilepsy. Damage to the temporal lobe can also cause auditory and visual hallucinations. Combine that with her family history of strict Catholicism and her family's acceptance that she was indeed possessed and you have a recipe for danger. The Psych and Medical community tried to intervene but she would not take heed and did not take meds until the very end, even then she stopped well before she died and began to "hear" voices and "see" demons.

Do I think she was possessed? Yeah, most likely, either by inner demons or by her neglecting herself she allowed demons to possess her. Do I think she also suffered from a severe and debilitating mental disorder? Yep, absolutely. Remember, bipolar disorder also includes auditory (hearing) hallucinations and profound bouts of psychosis. It can either appear once a year or every few years but it is not the "manic depression" we once thought it was. Most people believe that a moody person is "bipolar" but infact, the bipolar person may be totally stable for the better part of a year and then either incredibly happy or incredibly psychotic for months and months.

MRI's and CT Scans were not in use during her time, so we cannot see what was going on in the brain other than what was found postmortem and even then, not much was done to discover the variations in her brain as compared to someone that was not "possess" or not suffering from mental illness. Even Schitzophrenia has varying degrees of what a person experiences- just like any other disorder.

As to the languages.... well there have been many cases where damage to the temporal region causes a person to speak with an accent or "recall" various accents while speaking. In her case she recalled a demon named Hitler with a "Frankish" accent and some of the other language was "gibberish". She did not speak a coherent foreign language.

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Great points!

I am well aware that temporal lobe epilepsy can lead to religious hallucinations.

" Remember, bipolar disorder also includes auditory (hearing) hallucinations and profound bouts of psychosis"

Couldn't that be a combination of Bipolar Disorder and Schizoaffective Disorder?

A diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder is given if there is both a mood disorder and schizophrenic symptoms.

I was diagnosed as having bipolar disorder and schizoaffective disorder because the psychiatrists thought I had a mood disorder and schizophrenic symptoms.

The schizophrenic symptoms that they thought they perceived were not in connection to hallucinations. It was connected to my mildly tangential speech.

Not all schizophrenia is about hallucinations. There is a disorganized type of schizophrenia.

A matter of fact, a lot of the symptoms of schizophrenia overlap with those of neurodivergent conditions like poor coordination, left/right confusion, disorganization,and memory issues. Those are things that I try to raise awareness as a neurodiversity advocate/activist. My pushing for mental health reform would include that psychiatrists have their patients to do both neurological and psychological testing to differentiate neurodivergent conditions from psychiatric disorders.

Bipolar Disorder and ADHD overlap with each other in symptoms.

A neurodivergent with ADHD with metaphysical,psychic experiences could easily get misdiagnosed as a person with bipolar disorder and schizoaffective disorder by psychiatrists that don't believe in metaphysical things.
These traits fit with people that are labeled Indigos.

Autism was once thought to be a form of schizophrenia.

Psychiatric disorders and neurodivergent conditions have been thought of as being connected to the supernatural. If I was a little child in ancient times or middle ages, I'd probably being viewed as the devil. I used to speak incoherently that the nuns in daycare asked my mom what language I spoke. They couldn't understand what I was saying. After being examined, they realized that I had auditory reversals that led to speech reversals - an auditory form of Dyslexia. It took auditory therapy to take care of that problem.

I also want to point out the same astrological aspects that could indicate mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar could also be ones for neurodivergent conditions like autism and dyslexia. After all, their symptoms overlap with each other.

Many neurodivergents do have psychiatric disorders. Many ADHDers have bipolar. There are autistics that are schizophrenic. Many neurodivergents have depression and anxiety,and that tends to stem from a combination of ultrasensitivity (which gets labeled sensory integration issues),insecurity,low self esteem,stress,and frustration. I have anxiety and depression disorders. It was the combination of my neurodivergence and having anxiety and depression that got me misdiagnosed as having bipolar disorder with schizoaffective disorder.
A mixed anxiety-depressive person could easily get mistaken for being manic-depressive.

A moody person can be moody without being bipolar.

Hormonal imbalances in people can cause moodiness. That is even the case in men too. Irritable Male Syndrome in connection to fluctuations,decreases in testosterone. Testosterone used to be as an antidepressant in males too. Males with high estrogen levels can be moody. I am male with high estrogen levels myselfs.

Of course moody people could have strong lunar charts including people especially born during a full moon or lunar eclipse.

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posted December 28, 2010 02:00 PM            

I believe that there is a strong possibility that she could have been possessed.

Maybe there is a chance that a temporal lobe epilepsy could make her extremely hypersensitive that made her vulnerable to possessions.

Maybe there can be synchronicity between temporal lobe epilepsy and possessions.

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posted February 24, 2013 12:33 AM            

I seen websites saying Anne was possessed to give attonment for her mother's sins.

Her birth circumstances makes me lean between Scorpio and Libra.

Appearance wise I would lean towards Libra with strong Scorpio influence.

She's just SOOOO PRETTTY <3 (a shame she had to be a victim of Demons-I believe in Demons even though I doubt the Catholic Church and am closest to Deist). Though it should be kept in mind the typical Bavarian-which was the German group Anneliese came from was dark skinned so that may counter the Scorpio Rising appearance.

So I vote Libra Rising with strong Scorpio influence.

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Also to add ,The Exorcist was aired in theatres just as Anneliese was entering the worst and final years of her possession before her death.

I wonder if anyone can create an Astrological Chart of the period the Exorcism was airing in theatres?I'd like to see the Transits and a Synestry between Michelle and The Exorcist's release.

Sounds like a new fun project to try out .

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1504158/God-told-us-to-exorcise-my-daughters-demons.-I-dont-regret-her-death.html

posted February 24, 2013 05:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Too be honest if I was a demon I would probably go after a libra, scorpios are too dark anyways, whats the fun in that?

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posted February 24, 2013 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
One Angel ep that I thought was a cool concept was a little boy seemed demonically possessed with mystical "Help Me" messages coming out, but it turned out the boy was so wrong and evil that the one crying for help was the demon to escape the demented child's mind and once exorcised it welcomed destruction as it didn't want to live with the horrors it had seen and experienced in the tiny sociopath's mind that had managed to hold the demon prisoner.

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I have seen this one. It was creepy, and yet, I thought it was a really clever spin on the concept. And of course of philosophical relevance, indicating that the human mind is very capable of evil even without the influence of an otherworldly demonic presence.

Still leaves the question: what makes little boys and girls show sociopathic tendencies?