posted December 26, 2010 07:43 PM            

Not sure how to post a pic, so here is her basic natal chart (birth time unknown) with Chiron and Lilith included:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_2gw_08_anneliese_michel.2510.25742.gif&res=100&va=&cid=pw7file5Lm1WG-u1092790612

Thanks.

posted December 26, 2010 11:26 PM            

I'd look at strong hard aspects involving Neptune (dissolution leading to ultrasensitivity and/or transneptunians (other side..for they go beyond Neptune, the dissolution of boundaries) to Moon, Sun,Ascendant,Midheaven,Mercury

In the chart:
transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino, Ixion in 29'47 Gemini
square Sun

but I'd say that there has to be more

Moon is probably conjunct Neptune within 5 degrees

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posted December 27, 2010 02:07 AM            

I think one of the major angles is in Libra and/or Aquarius. Or that the nodal opposition from Pluto to NN is personalized, so it's on the Mc or Asc axis. It has to be one of those 4 for it to be exhibited to this degree.

As to whether it's real, I wouldn't know. I looked at the pics of her exorcism and they look a lil ghoulish but not frightening. Like I said if her Moon is in that position, I could see how she would come to believe that she was indeed possessed.

Before

After

Apparently some commission in Germany ruled that she wasn't possessed. I wouldn't know which criteria they used.
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Apparently the 1st symptom was epileptic fits when she was 16 in 1968. Transiting Uranus was at 25 Virgo at the time, conj both her Mercury 25 and Sun 28 Virgo, and also squaring her progressed Mars in Sagittarius. This was the infamous Uranus/Pluto conjunction that began transiting her Sun, with Uranus leading the way and Pluto following behind a few yrs later. At the same time of the t.uranus conj transiting Saturn was in late Aries opposing the Libra stellium. Transiting NN was opposing her Saturn exact. Progressed Sun was at 13 Libra conjunct her natal Saturn at 15 Libra. Maybe most notably, progressed Mercury was conjunct n.Neptune/Venus.

1973 She apparently saw a marked increase in symptoms, very bizarre. Coincides with t.Pluto leaving her Virgo Sun. By this time t.Uranus had sped up to conjunct her progressed Sun, so she's getting Dose #2 of Uranus in full view, and together they're just barely off of conjunct her natal Saturn and off to conj her natal Moon/Venus/Neptune, t.Saturn was square her n.Mercury/Sun. The transiting NN was also conj her n.Chiron. Transiting Chiron was opposed her n. Saturn/Moon/Venus/Neptune.

I'm telling you, reading her progressions and transits *alone* is spookier than her pictures. I absolutely believe that she believed what she was experiencing. I don't know about possession, but her transits and progressions show first hand what the outer planets are capable of. Her life was a study in that, if nothing else. But to play out as it did, they would have had to have been ruling or transiting the angles.

It's interesting, though..charting the progressions, the time when she started showing very marked symptoms of demonic possession, her progressed Sun was 20 Libra, conj her natal stellium, this was early on in 1975, specifically it was conjunct her natal Neptune, EXACT. She died the next year..and throughout this time transiting Saturn in Cancer was conj her natally stressed Uranus, also throwing stresses to her Libra stellium. One of her main causes of death was malnutrition, because apparently the devil was forbidding her from eating. Saturn rules anorexia.

I think she self-destructed on purpose, because she died before Pluto could go on to conjunct her natal Neptune..that would've probably turned her into some psychotic killer based on her trajectory. t.Pluto conj n.Neptune dissolves illusions, it never paints a prettier picture, that would've thrown her for certain.

She was under a Jupiter return on the day she died, July 1, 1976 (hyp. time of birth, 7 am, giving a Libra Asc). Heavy Jupiter influence is apparently common on the day of death.

posted December 27, 2010 03:00 AM            

I did some digging on the internet to find people born on the same day as her

Dave Gregory, English rock lead guitarist of the New Wave Band, XTC was born on September 21, 1952. He is a diabetic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Gregory

One person named Suzanne George was born on Sept 21, 1952. She was adopted. She's in Asset Management. Her mother was in the navy and was not married at the time. The father is not listed. http://registry.adoption.com/records/445541.html

Another adoptee, Debra Fletcher was born on Sept 21, 1952. She's a medical billing clerk. She was born to an Army father, and her mother's race is listed as unknown. http://registry.adoption.com/records/420751.html

I found an obituary of Wayman L. Olsen born on Sept 21, 1952. His career was in music and teaching. He was very active in church. http://mywebtimes.com/archives/ottawa/display.php?id=416081

It would be interested to see if they were possessed or suffered any mental illness.

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posted December 27, 2010 03:06 AM            

that's all speculation though

What about the 4 people that were born on the same day,month,year as her?
One of the people was very active in church. Maybe he had a strict religious upbringing too.

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posted December 27, 2010 03:16 AM            

There are at least 4 people that were born on the same day. We don't know if they had similar experiences as her.

Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. We don't have their birthtimes either.

The aspects to the Moon,Midheaven/Imum axis,Ascendant/Midheaven axis are very important. Of course, the houses are very important. Without birthtime, we don't know any of that stuff.

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posted December 27, 2010 08:44 PM            

Her Moon was definitely not in Scorpio, I tried 21 September 23:59 birthtime, and it was still in Libra.

Really interesting that the Moon's activity features so prominently in her chart, and yet it was in Libra, not a sign you would traditionally consider susceptible to psychotics (am I wrong, though?)

Lonalake - I read your analysis with fascination. Reading it, I got this feeling like the planets' afflictions just assaulted her constantly, no break, no respite. Just when one thing moves on, another one comes in double dose. Poor girl. I have no doubt she believed it, and that perhaps is the spookiest thing, because I don't think she was crazy.

Somehow, seeing it all and listening to the tapes, it just doesn't sit well with a purely medically diagnosable condition. Then again, I believe that dark forces do single certain people out. And it it perhaps those most committed and obsessed (therefore vulnerable) to expelling them. Anneliese was deeply religious and sensitive to atonement for others' sins. Somewhere along the the line, darkness slipped through the cracks.

Glaucus - granted an exact birth time would be more helpful with analysis. However, there is no denying that sharing your birthday with at least 9 million other people on the planet (apparently the statistic right now) would signify that people wouldn't necessarily all be open to the same issues. Also, would you mind explaining what this means on a psychological level? "transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino, Ixion in 29'47 Gemini
square Sun " - I'd be much obliged!

posted December 27, 2010 09:07 PM            

If you go to "add reply" and look at the left hand side of the screen you will see "UBB code is ON". Click on that and a separate window will pop up with instructions about posting pics and other neato stuff.

I hope that helps

posted December 27, 2010 10:46 PM            

No to Libra being associated with anything she was going through, although I thought it was interesting that part of her wanted to atone for the sinful relationships of others..
Nix on listening to the tapes for me, so I'll take your word on that

About the pic, when you see an image online that you want to post, right click on it and select 'Copy Image Location'. Then when you get to your post type:

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and in between them do either CTRL+V or right click and paste.

Example:

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posted December 27, 2010 11:01 PM            

I actually have been possessed before but fought the demons. I can also exorcise demons from others if my ehteric field is positive....all this for me, lies in the transmuation of sexual energy, and abstinence...any permiscuousness opens me up to evil spirits..

everyone is different.

posted December 27, 2010 11:26 PM            

Studies on twins demonstrated that while one twin may be suffering from mental illness, not all twins both suffered from said illness.

Anneliese suffered during a time when it was much harder to diagnose a mental disorder or to even look at the brain structure until the person was already deceased. http://hubpages.com/hub/Possessed-by-demons-or-Mental

posted December 28, 2010 12:04 AM            

Do I think she was possessed? Yeah, most likely, either by inner demons or by her neglecting herself she allowed demons to possess her. Do I think she also suffered from a severe and debilitating mental disorder? Yep, absolutely. Remember, bipolar disorder also includes auditory (hearing) hallucinations and profound bouts of psychosis. It can either appear once a year or every few years but it is not the "manic depression" we once thought it was. Most people believe that a moody person is "bipolar" but infact, the bipolar person may be totally stable for the better part of a year and then either incredibly happy or incredibly psychotic for months and months.

MRI's and CT Scans were not in use during her time, so we cannot see what was going on in the brain other than what was found postmortem and even then, not much was done to discover the variations in her brain as compared to someone that was not "possess" or not suffering from mental illness. Even Schitzophrenia has varying degrees of what a person experiences- just like any other disorder.

posted December 28, 2010 01:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Well I believe in evil entities as it were.
She must've been left extremely vulnerable..
But what of eating spiders, et al..?
Has anyone here read Man Against Himself by Menninger? There is a strange case in there where a lady gouged out one of her eyes one night with a spoon (she was in hospital), then the next night she took out the other.
I guess compared to that eating spiders isn't so bad..
I just thank God for my mental health. Both of their ordeals sound atrocious.

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