posted January 04, 2011 01:50 PM            

gee, i sure hope it's not beyond repair! i want to go back to how i used to be!

posted January 04, 2011 02:01 PM            

Pluto transited my Venus/Uranus a few years ago, then my MC, gearing up for it to cross over my Neptune in the next 2 years...

Venus/Uranus- My romantic relationships (2 big ones during the coarse of the transit) and friendships got dragged through the mud big time. Lots of obsessive behavior involved in all the relationships, some people were hurting themselves, lots of compulsive clinging. Didn't help that soon after Pluto just went straight over my MC RIGHT after that...
MC- was in a very prestigious film school and hated it. Lots of underhanded business, blind ambition motivating people, I felt like I could see through everyone, including my professors. I did some good work but eventually fell into a massive depression and could not get anything done anymore. I would at home crying or mindlessly staring at the wall all day. Started to depend on getting stoned just to get through the day. Felt like I was attracted a lot of creepy obsessive attention from people at the time as well, people that were mainly interested in me in an impersonal way. I felt like I gave off a Pluto vibe that was very charismatic at the time- but it was attracting people that just wanted to use me.

Those are the circumstances I dealt with at the time in a nutshell. Ultimately the relationships I spoke of ended and we don't keep in contact anymore. The only one that didn't really end was my best friend at the time. This was perhaps the most difficult one to deal with because we grew up together and both went through a really hard time dealing with depression and clinging to each other but also kind of hating and blaming each other...we ended up having to take a break from each other. We're still good friends now, I consider her a real soul mate in a sense, one of the only people I can see after a long time and things are exactly the same. But the way our friendship was will never be again. In a sense this is good, I don't feel like I lost her, I feel like our relationship is healthier with the distance. As per school, same thing applies- I'll never be able to go back to my former desires for my future, but I feel better informed, more capable and empowered.

Pluto transits are really tough, I feel like they bring you down to your absolute lowest point. You feel like everything in you is being destroyed, but I think the point is that you are getting to your essence- burning through the ******** , which is exhausting and awful and so hard- but getting to a place where your deepest inner resources will ultimately be revealed. Nothing is the same after, most likely nothing external is left but a mental/emotional shift, but what is left is authentic and strong.

posted January 04, 2011 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by jacque:
I am going thro' Pluto opp natal Moon (house 5) and Pluto conjunct natal Venus (house 11). I've had the worst time with one of my best friends. It's strange how Pluto attacked the one relationship I held most dear, and I guess clung too. It's like our relationship has been thro' a nuclear destruction .. jealous, obsessive, clinging all over. We care deeply for each other but have hurt each other too much. I consider her a soul mate but am worried that we're now broken and can't be fixed. (tears) Will we ever recover from this? It's not over for me, I don't know if it's over for her. I still cannot believe this could be the end. Tho' the positive story that you mentioned above abt u n ur friend gives me hope.

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posted January 04, 2011 08:54 PM            

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I read today that "what gets broken during a Pluto transit is beyond repair". Is this really true?

Could the experienced astrologers and people who have experiences with difficult Pluto transits (Pluto opp Moon etc) talk about if the above statement is true? Please share.

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Pluto is transiting my sun right now in the 8th house. I'll let you know how it goes, but right now i've repaired relations with my father that were pretty messed up on christmas day. Pluto is still there hovering around for awhile. Will see.

I think pluto makes us work our worries out. Compells us to do something, rather than sit around and suffer at the hands of saturn....I think pluto is positive when one does the work, but when one doesn't one becomes miserly, disobedient, restless, and flustered at limitations, pluto is the GREAT TRANSFORMER....not the devil....even hades is vaguely related to the devil....mercury is the devil because it is our moment to moment thoughts that we can't control which lead us astray...I mean you can't control all your thoughts but you can definately not let your thoughts control you, and in turn over time, this will reduce the bad thoughts.

Pluto is cosmic energy. It's the screaming pheonix, it's the great MACABER! It's rising from the ashes like jesus, resurection, it's prolific and powerful....but misued could result in mania...

Think about this...what makes a cop great at what he does is what makes a king pin great at what he does. Both bare teh same gifts of pluto but by free will they chose there own destiny...

To say a pluto transit breaks things beyond repair is to remove your own responsibility in the situation.

And this is comming from someone who was in jail this christmas because of a misuse of plutonian energy...if you want more on that contact me on msn. I don't care too much for sharing specific details of my life unless i'm certain it will help you, and won't be used against me.

But also, yes there is a certain point where a fall from grace is almost impossible to recuperate from - like when one becomes addicted to tobacco and becomes morbid and sad and smokes oneself to death.

There will come a point in the above scenario where damage is done and cancer is obtained, but even then it's possible to be healed.

Pluto is energy, power.....for me pluto is in the sixth house in scorpio, a fixed sign.

IF I don't exercise, I can bare alot of hostility, heavy, moody, intense, emotions with me. IF I exercise the flow of energy is distributed properly and I see signs that i'm doing the right thing - i believe pluto rules syncronicity...all the time.

One thing about pluto hitting the sun is that I always feel my dad is dissapointed with me no matter what he says. I have to go beyond my own feelings and have faith he actually isn't, even though he doesn't directly show it, but in a way he does....his own way, i have to go out of my comfort zone and anticipate his needs so that I can feel his love properly.

posted January 05, 2011 01:44 AM            

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Originally posted by jacque:
some permanent damage to the body or to our relationships?

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The relationship damage is repairable but you'll have to work hard.

Physicaly, sometimes things happen that we can't take back, and they lead to permanent damage, like if you hit someone in the eye by accident and they went blind, they may forgive you, or they may not...

posted January 05, 2011 01:52 AM            

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Originally posted by jacque:
some permanent damage to the body or to our relationships?

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When I had jaw surgery, pluto was transiting mercury uranus, I did it thinking that corrective underbite surgery would give me confidence. The lower half of my face is permanently numb, but it's not so bad, zits there don't hurt and the cold hardly affects me there...and as the years go by feeling comes back, exercise helps, I always talk about exercise because I think the reason pluto makes us so insane is because it's giving us energy to take care of our health...I think of pluto as best in libra for early success, and best in scorpio for later success, becuase in scorpio pluto is very vulcanic, sounds could set you off, you have to be at peace with yourself and find strike a balance. I really do believe that is the secret to pluto. You can't dwell in teh underworld forever.

You need to channel it by integrating yourself. Worst thing is for pluto to come out only in one house. That's tuff trust me...I've nearly lost my life several times...I've suffered many head injuries and I've even done horrible things that I'll never forgive myself for from focusing only on one area and ignoring the rest. I'm a plutonian...it rules my chart and is exalted in pluto. I am the ultimate unearther, even to my own detriment, and I Think the plutonian forces are a gift now that require us to transform rather than sacrifice.

The healing of the relatinoship will mostly depend on how you forgive yourself. If you still hold things against yourself, how can you not hold things against another, and then expect them to not hold it against you. Even if in the moment they don't forgive you, if you heed this advice, the chances of long term forgiveness are increased tenfold.

A shaman once told me that the reason the world gangs up on you, is because you gang up on yourself. Forgive everyone, and your paranoia will desintegrate.

Keep your feet flat on the ground
weight on both sides even
and breath through all the chackras

refert to the taoist micro and macro orbit for relaxation if a person works you up during a pluto transit. Push your stomach out, and breath in the air, don't let it deflate....your body will heat up, and the prana will flow.

I'll tell one more secret. A taoist once said that there is no tequnique to relaxatin and that there is really only one path, and that all one has to do to become a master in the breathing arts is know the one secret....fetal breathing. The rest will fall into place by syncronicity.

posted January 05, 2011 01:56 AM            

BUT

I will never forget.

Never.

posted January 05, 2011 02:40 AM            

Then I embraced Pluto and realized that it is not a scary thing or placement. It just means that when something is delapitated, Pluto tears it down and rebuilds it into something more that one can imagine. I divorced and later remarried to the love of my life. Pluto is now in my 5th house.

I am no longer afraid of Pluto. It is what it is and to understand the power is to learn from it.

Growing up, I used to always say that I had this invisible big brother (I am the oldest and only have one sibling- a younger Sag brother) that stood behind me in order to scare away those that would intend to harm me. I think it was Pluto waiting to show itself. My insecurities as a kid (for me it was the fact that everyone said how beautiful I was- which made me feel awful because people always looked at me) melted away when I realized that I was more than just a face. There were also people that had issues with my eye contact because I always look dead into someone's eyes. Most of that is my culture but also my way.

Again.. Pluto... not only did Pluto get rid of the dead weight but it also allows us to clear out the lies and dead weight that other people hold within- especially in person.

posted January 05, 2011 06:46 AM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
When I had jaw surgery, pluto was transiting mercury uranus, I did it thinking that corrective underbite surgery would give me confidence. The lower half of my face is permanently numb, but it's not so bad, zits there don't hurt and the cold hardly affects me there...and as the years go by feeling comes back,

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If my face is all aglow making me very attractive during the Pluto conjunct Venus transit, will that be permanent?

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exercise helps, I always talk about exercise because I think the reason pluto makes us so insane is because it's giving us energy to take care of our health...

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This is something missing in my schedule right now I guess it's important that I exercise. It would've really helped had I done that last year .. I may have been able to handle things much better and all hell wouldn't have broken lose. sigh.

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I think of pluto as best in libra for early success, and best in scorpio for later success

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Does that mean everyone with Pluto in Libra (generational) will have early success & success in what?

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You need to channel it by integrating yourself.

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How do you integrate yourself?

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Worst thing is for pluto to come out only in one house.

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Do you mean for Pluto to affect only one house? I did not understand this?

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I'm a plutonian...it rules my chart and is exalted in pluto. I am the ultimate unearther, even to my own detriment, and I Think the plutonian forces are a gift now that require us to transform rather than sacrifice.

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I appear to be an Aquarian bcoz of my Asc and Sun in Aqua but I am very Plutonian. No one would suspect it unless they saw my chart. I used to always wonder why I have such intense feelings and reactions, well now I know.

The plutonian forces don't seem like a gift right now, sigh .. they seem more destructive .. it's like I can't control what going on at all.

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The healing of the relatinoship will mostly depend on how you forgive yourself. If you still hold things against yourself, how can you not hold things against another, and then expect them to not hold it against you. Even if in the moment they don't forgive you, if you heed this advice, the chances of long term forgiveness are increased tenfold.

A shaman once told me that the reason the world gangs up on you, is because you gang up on yourself. Forgive everyone, and your paranoia will desintegrate.

Keep your feet flat on the ground
weight on both sides even
and breath through all the chackras

refert to the taoist micro and macro orbit for relaxation if a person works you up during a pluto transit. Push your stomach out, and breath in the air, don't let it deflate....your body will heat up, and the prana will flow.

I'll tell one more secret. A taoist once said that there is no tequnique to relaxatin and that there is really only one path, and that all one has to do to become a master in the breathing arts is know the one secret....fetal breathing. The rest will fall into place by syncronicity.

I know this doesn't seem relevant, but pluto does rule syncronicity, so it probably will be.

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How will a relationship get better if you have no contact with the person? how can you work on it if they don't want to? sigh.

Thank you so much for sharing. You provided great information & insight. Hope more people will share their experiences and points of view.

posted January 05, 2011 07:02 AM            

You may actually find a better one...

that's my advice

Integrating pluto is about balance, saturn transits prepare you for pluto transits i guess, saturn transits force you to build structure, and pluto tares down teh structures that don't work, uranus is what your allowed to use after you've reconciled the two.

posted January 05, 2011 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by staborgi:

Pluto transits are really tough, I feel like they bring you down to your absolute lowest point. You feel like everything in you is being destroyed, but I think the point is that you are getting to your essence- burning through the ******** , which is exhausting and awful and so hard- but getting to a place where your deepest inner resources will ultimately be revealed. Nothing is the same after, most likely nothing external is left but a mental/emotional shift, but what is left is authentic and strong.

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I couldnt agree more. for the past two years I have have pluto transiting my stellium one after the other (first moon, followed by mars, sun, venus) still oppose my venus and sun... I cannot tell how much I have lost from what I had (relationships, career, money). I dont think I am the same person anymore. I feel strongers and more authentic, but still struggling with the broken pieces.

posted January 05, 2011 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by jacque:
the not knowing is really killer. don't know how to handle it .. it's driving me crazy.

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I guess, or at least is the way i have managed, is to try to find what needs to be change in your life.. the more you oppose the change, the more the change comes over you. there is a kind of surrendering to the "higher aims of your soul" who claims that something must be destroyed no matter if your ego wants it or not... whatever is being shattered is because it needed to be shattered.

posted January 05, 2011 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
When I had jaw surgery, pluto was transiting mercury uranus, I did it thinking that corrective underbite surgery would give me confidence. The lower half of my face is permanently numb, but it's not so bad, zits there don't hurt and the cold hardly affects me there...and as the years go by feeling comes back, exercise helps, I always talk about exercise because I think the reason pluto makes us so insane is because it's giving us energy to take care of our health...I think of pluto as best in libra for early success, and best in scorpio for later success, becuase in scorpio pluto is very vulcanic, sounds could set you off, you have to be at peace with yourself and find strike a balance. I really do believe that is the secret to pluto. You can't dwell in teh underworld forever.

You need to channel it by integrating yourself. Worst thing is for pluto to come out only in one house. That's tuff trust me...I've nearly lost my life several times...I've suffered many head injuries and I've even done horrible things that I'll never forgive myself for from focusing only on one area and ignoring the rest. I'm a plutonian...it rules my chart and is exalted in pluto. I am the ultimate unearther, even to my own detriment, and I Think the plutonian forces are a gift now that require us to transform rather than sacrifice.

The healing of the relatinoship will mostly depend on how you forgive yourself. If you still hold things against yourself, how can you not hold things against another, and then expect them to not hold it against you. Even if in the moment they don't forgive you, if you heed this advice, the chances of long term forgiveness are increased tenfold.

A shaman once told me that the reason the world gangs up on you, is because you gang up on yourself. Forgive everyone, and your paranoia will desintegrate.

Keep your feet flat on the ground
weight on both sides even
and breath through all the chackras

refert to the taoist micro and macro orbit for relaxation if a person works you up during a pluto transit. Push your stomach out, and breath in the air, don't let it deflate....your body will heat up, and the prana will flow.

I'll tell one more secret. A taoist once said that there is no tequnique to relaxatin and that there is really only one path, and that all one has to do to become a master in the breathing arts is know the one secret....fetal breathing. The rest will fall into place by syncronicity.

I know this doesn't seem relevant, but pluto does rule syncronicity, so it probably will be.

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