posted January 04, 2011 04:47 PM            

basically the planets are playing football and i am the turf. can I get a break.

Just when Pluto got off my Ascendant and Jupiter...BAM! He square's my moon. Then the Lunar Eclipse on the 21st of December was on my Neptune/Ascendant/Jupiter. And the Solar Eclipse this morning was on my Venus. Next up is Jupiter square Jupiter/Uranus, Jupiter/Uranus Square Ascendant, Jupiter/Uranus square Neptune and then Jupiter/Uranus conjunct Moon. Give me an effing break!!!!! And its like a whole lot of bubbling up on the inside with nothing to show on the outside but me being rageful at myself and everyone around me...I forgot about Saturn. I don't want to talk about him...

hmpf. here are my transits as of today.

posted January 04, 2011 09:33 PM            

Here's the thing....you have allt hose planets on one side

and then chiron on the other side

with true node in the sixth house

Do you like to dance by any chance?

And have you wanted to do something creative and fun that was thwarted some how in the past?

posted January 04, 2011 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by electricmind:
i feel like the sewer is backing up;. i guess thats pluto for you.

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yeah I know what you mean here....pluto will do that...i've noticed that as I struggle emotionaly with these transits I also tend to physicaly hold in my bowls...

eat fiber and do cardio...

SWEAT!!!

hopefuly this finds you quick

and watch out for relationships with your family/father etc....pluto's moving over there by jupite rin capricorn....problems from when you wer ea kid...

jupiter in capricorn you need to be honest right away....show negativity, don't be afraid to say no right away and express why. You'll find that the people who care about you will stop prodding, and the people who don't will continue prodding.

Just becareful not to turn into the enemy so to speak..

Jupiter in capricorns have the hardest time with luck in the begining but if they can survive past a certain point - and IQ might say the saturn return...and i would agree with him

jupiter in capricorn can confer many gifts...

posted January 06, 2011 12:55 PM            

definitely a strong shifting in the my relationship with my father. i idolized my father and now the projection is falling down. its disappointing. not sure how to deal with it. pluto has been showing me all the ways in which i was giving my power away through manipulation and guilt trips. lots of passive aggressiveness etc. not from me from other people. so i'm learning to say no. and not feel guilty. there is a lot of guilt tripping and things that i couldn't see before. power struggles for sure.

i've definitely been working on being more balanced. with that jupiter right on my ascendant, its hard for me to have negative feelings...esp square my moon. but i've had so much rage i've had to release in some way. i've beeen sooooo creative,more than usual the past 3-4 months.

I don't dance but i do have dancers body. always have. people ask me almost every day if i'm a dancer. I am a musician and a writer. i like to do creative projects with my hands like cooking/baking, knitting, crocheting. i am "self employed" right now. full time artist/musician plus my astrology practice is just starting up, as well as 2 blogs i keep.

my body type... i am very slim and lean. think the muscular build of aries moon and jupiter influence but in the frame of a capricorn. i am 5'5"-5'6" about 112-117 lbs. long and lean. a little bit of jupiter's curviness as well, just in a small package.

my first saturn return is coming up in 2012-2013.

posted January 06, 2011 02:18 PM            

I'm going threw the same, and the generation with pluto in scorpio is going to be intensely effected by society. This is basicly the end of generation x and the begining of the new generation, and generation x is the smallest in history, the new one is the greatest...two intense extremes side by side......the sag in pluto will look to ehse people for leadership because they will experience adversity later on in life from the government and the collective.

Scorpio pluto's have to survive. Most of them have been subjected to the prison industrial complex, over stimulation by the media, and alcohol - one of hte wrost drugs on the planet, alcohol destroys more lives and affects more people over a long term than any other drug, even cigarettes.

Essentialy an alcoholics argument against a heroine addict is mute. Alcohol caues dementia and alzteimers....

What I noticed last night doing charts at a party was that everyone who had pluto in scorpio had huge issues with father, addiction, and other things, blaming the father more than society, and failing to see how the father has been affected, and that the reason the father is off, is because he is being treated subhuman by society.

you have to empathise with people, when they hurt you it's because the're hurting. This is the first step in defusing the anger.

The exercise and sweating and fiber, if you are a plutonian, which you are, will help alot. A plutonian, such as my self, having that as my only ruling planet, will easily be ****** off at the world, and then take it out on close members....so when someone makes you a little angry your reaction will be over the top, since you've been bottling up the b.s. that's been shoveled to us.

The key is to forgive society also. We have to be forgiving of even the prison industrial complex. We have to be sacred activists when we want to change things, and approach with the silence and reverence of the native americans but the brillian logic and forethought of western science. We have to see the outside world as a reflection of the inside world. This way the plutonian can become a great researcher.

Plutonian should not dwell on the extremes emotionaly or socialy.

Plutonian will always notice the hellish effects bad luck or societal constructs have...they'll know extremes of everything, limitation, love, mind, will....

I'm really happy taht you started the fiber diet, as a plutonian, your stomach may react to things on telivision you don't like, remember you'll feel what's intrinsicly wrong, because a plutonian is anything but shallow - think anthony b. davis, she may not be one, but a plutonian might have martin luther king like urges, or want to lead a revolution like che.

But in reality the plutonian is most like sherlock homes. That's why it's important to be knowledgeable. This drive can be ignroance. Imagine somoene who thinks they ar esherlock holmes but has the intellect of a baby kankgaroo.

posted January 06, 2011 02:34 PM            

Sherlock Holmes was written by a gemini who ha dmercury conjunct pluto....who had no virgo at all.
http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/S7zWC5gVGK42.htm

posted January 06, 2011 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Pluto drives a person to investigate. Virgo is obsessed with details, but plutonians are unerthers. In order to transform a thing you must know it's properties.

Sherlock Holmes was written by a gemini who ha dmercury conjunct pluto....who had no virgo at all.
http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/S7zWC5gVGK42.htm

Pluto is the prime unearther. That's why pluto governs research.

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posted January 06, 2011 03:49 PM            

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alcohol - one of hte wrost drugs on the planet, alcohol destroys more lives and affects more people over a long term than any other drug, even cigarettes.

Essentialy an alcoholics argument against a heroine addict is mute. Alcohol caues dementia and alzteimers....

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my 10th house is loaded, saturn mars and pluto all in scorpio, so obvious father issues are there. but its so layered. i'm just now opening up to a relationship with my biological father. he is like so obsessed with me. its crazy. a bit smothering ya know. but i am learning to accept his love and not feel so threatened by it. as far as my adoptive father, that is so layered. he is a pisces, he has such a depressed and repressing disposition. he brings out my neptunian nature, but my aries moon is like let me be!

after watching the recent sherlock holmes movies, my and one of my astrologer friends decided that he was scorpio, aquarius and aries. sherlock holmes never looked at himself as doing a service to others (virgo) he was more into the intellectual (aquarius) pursuit (aries) of getting to the bottom of things particularly death and crime (pluto/scorpio).

i have been a bit obsessed with him because i really see myself in him. i have always noticed things that seem very obvious to me and other people just don't see. i think that is what drew me to astrology, the symbols are so obvious to me. i'm working on the integration and synthesizing skills.

thank you roadwarriosdp. seems like i've been on track, just couldn't see it. which pluto is really good at. a theme of these transits for me has been an inability to see that i really am on track and see the positive. its so dark down here with pluto...

posted January 06, 2011 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I am talking about sherlock,not arthur conan doyle. Merc conj pluto? Fine,he wrote about dectective that investigates murder,among other things.
Work of art has autonomy. Doyle may be omniscient storyteller,but what prompts u to think that he projected himself,his believes into sherlock? He creates. God created humans;are humans godlike?

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Well atleast you understand the nature of projection, and you bring up something very intellectual and deep in nature, which is the artist vs. his art, and autonomy. This entire theme prompted bob dylan to say, "never do art" just work and die, cause your going to be judged for it.

I think in our present society, there is no seperation of the artist and his art...his art is a component of him, in terms of cause and effect the artist made theh art? People are judged relentlessly, but you have to also notice the effects they have on people.

If you look at jack white, my favorite contemporary artist, you'll notice he has moon and cancer and gemini in mercury. These aspects are inseperable from his art. His art is very plutonian, yet it is more cancerian than plutonian in that it deals with the introverted moody ideals come too through introspection upon the partnership, you can see jack white has alot of planets most likely in the seventh house or none at all, and is developing these areas of his life through his art, and if I were to rectify his chart...I might say that he as cancer in the seventh house, and capricorn in the first, because he projects capricorn - he lsitens to old music delta blues and is a firm believer in the old way of making music, not over indulging in technology, but he is truely a cancerian, and projects moodiness onto his lovers, when in fact he is the moody one.

So you see baring that in mind we can say that sherlock homes does have alot of virgo trates, as the author did not have planets there, but used the character to devlop them for himself, or he projected them because he believed not to have them..

but that being said, sherlock homes is intense first and foremost, an dhas integrity, he is a very bright and very magnetic person who will not compromise his morales to solve a case, even to his own detriment, putting himself at risk..

that is not virgoan in nature, virgo's without integrity are essentialy like gemini's but a little different.

A virgo is more susceptible to being percieved as superifical, just like any mercurial sign....which is also not a sherlock attribute.

Another thing about sherlock holmes that is more plutonian in nature is the fact that he knows so much about his own generations history in his novels, he has a great affinity for character portraits based on profession and stuff that isn't quite so tangible, non virgo things...since virgo is earth it involves earthly things like physical clues, but emotional cues as clues, among other things, are not inherent in virgo alone.

Sherlock homes is also a master of synthesis, and anlytics. Someone could be really bad at managing there card collection - virgo, but really good at detective work.

posted January 06, 2011 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by electricmind:
@roadwarriorsdp
[QUOTE]alcohol - one of hte wrost drugs on the planet, alcohol destroys more lives and affects more people over a long term than any other drug, even cigarettes.

Essentialy an alcoholics argument against a heroine addict is mute. Alcohol caues dementia and alzteimers....

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Thank you electricmind, and your name is also very fitting for sherlock holmes, it is obvious, has alot of mind fire. A deep and probing mind. That is plutonian, in nature.

posted January 06, 2011 04:53 PM            

sherlock holmes projects virgo on the surface, but inside he has a deep plutonian core, which one is more true?

posted January 06, 2011 05:18 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Well atleast you understand the nature of projection, and you bring up something very intellectual and deep in nature, which is the artist vs. his art, and autonomy. This entire theme prompted bob dylan to say, "never do art" just work and die, cause your going to be judged for it.

I think in our present society, there is no seperation of the artist and his art...his art is a component of him, in terms of cause and effect the artist made theh art? People are judged relentlessly, but you have to also notice the effects they have on people.

If you look at jack white, my favorite contemporary artist, you'll notice he has moon and cancer and gemini in mercury. These aspects are inseperable from his art. His art is very plutonian, yet it is more cancerian than plutonian in that it deals with the introverted moody ideals come too through introspection upon the partnership, you can see jack white has alot of planets most likely in the seventh house or none at all, and is developing these areas of his life through his art, and if I were to rectify his chart...I might say that he as cancer in the seventh house, and capricorn in the first, because he projects capricorn - he lsitens to old music delta blues and is a firm believer in the old way of making music, not over indulging in technology, but he is truely a cancerian, and projects moodiness onto his lovers, when in fact he is the moody one.

So you see baring that in mind we can say that sherlock homes does have alot of virgo trates, as the author did not have planets there, but used the character to devlop them for himself, or he projected them because he believed not to have them..

but that being said, sherlock homes is intense first and foremost, an dhas integrity, he is a very bright and very magnetic person who will not compromise his morales to solve a case, even to his own detriment, putting himself at risk..

that is not virgoan in nature, virgo's without integrity are essentialy like gemini's but a little different.

A virgo is more susceptible to being percieved as superifical, just like any mercurial sign....which is also not a sherlock attribute.

Another thing about sherlock holmes that is more plutonian in nature is the fact that he knows so much about his own generations history in his novels, he has a great affinity for character portraits based on profession and stuff that isn't quite so tangible, non virgo things...since virgo is earth it involves earthly things like physical clues, but emotional cues as clues, among other things, are not inherent in virgo alone.

Sherlock homes is also a master of synthesis, and anlytics. Someone could be really bad at managing there card collection - virgo, but really good at detective work.

You see my point?

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posted January 06, 2011 05:19 PM            

Only someone with a strong plutonian nature could maniefst in both extremes without beocming those extremes of the underworld, both the high and the low, the underground corruption, and the political corruption, which sherlock holmes moves through seemlessly

We see in his story undercover work, which is plutonian in nature, and we also see him move through teh high ranks of society...it's all mostly pluto.

Yes it's true that he percieves small details, but anyone can be trained to do that.

Who can be trained to deal with criminals and police, and happily speak to both? Not many people can do that.

Can you go to a party full of tatooed thugs that are going to insult you every chance they get, and then go to work the next day as a high profile lawyer without getting shot or killed, if your mostly virgoan? I don't see that at all actually, a virgo would be the person who thinks they know what's best for everyone, a virgo would delight in virginal things, like safety, and caution.

Sherlock homes projects that alot on the surface, but deeper down he is definately ruled by pluto...

posted January 06, 2011 05:31 PM            

SEcond I'm governed by mercury which is in fall in sagitarius, so I am actually more virgoan than virgos who have all there planets there....

Virgo is a theme in my life that will manifest considerably through, as interceptions unfold as time goes by...

But I understand your false belief that I'm biased based on my chart.

However your false belief neglects the facts, and that is the fact that the person who made sherlock holmes can do nothing but project himself into the character, for we both know it is not possible to exist and not project...even if you project silence...

I have demonstrated with proof of the character...while you resort to a chart erected for an imaginary character as your poof.

and venus...I would also say that you probably have alot in virgo, since when you read the story all you noticed was virgo.

I mean even the dumbest person on the planet knows that sherlock holmes was good with details.

But it takes a truely gifted intellectual to realize the truth, which is not only what is on the surface, but also what is below the surface, and the way the two interact, and then to realize that there is a weight with regards to what is more true.

My experience with virgos in real life is what governs me to say this.

My dad is a virgo
my brother is a virgo.

My dad is governd by pluto, and he is a virgo, and he is just like sherlock holmes. He is a sharp witty physician who can tell where you've been and wher eyour going. Bu tnote, his virgo nature is only on the surface, deep down inside my dad is a scorpio and you can see it in the femilial charts of me and my sister and brother....my brother unfortuantely does not have alot of scorpio and all, but my sister and I are loaded with it. My saturn is in scorpio an dI view my dads intensity with regards to higher education as one of limites fo rhelping and serving others.

My brother on the other hand is a virgo, and he is lacidazicle, and airy, and watery, but he has no pluto in him or intensity.

He is really good at keeping his things in order, and noticing details, but he sucks at investigating. He is also seems very innocent, but is actual someone who puts alot of double standards on people. In fact virgos will put double standards on people frequently because they think by being virginal they are given the right to project there egos more forcefuly.

So now i've given you even more proof that you are wrong.

posted January 06, 2011 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Well,at least I understand the nature of projection... Imagine that.
I suppose u don't have any virgo placements. If u had I think we would be seeing different story.
Sweet lemon.
And yes, I said it right myself,sherlock isn't plutonian. Enjoy the story...

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Venus, I understand why you project venus. Because you are quite the opposite. No offense, but your manner of insulting me is crude, ignorant, and juvenile, and even though I don't take offense, because I am more like sherlock holmes then you, I will point out the factual detailed nature of your personality, and I will expound and reveal to all the mystery. That you are obviously only here to shove your opinion down peoples throats and offer no factual evidence of your assumptions.

posted January 06, 2011 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Venus, I understand why you project venus. Because you are quite the opposite. No offense, but your manner of insulting me is crude, ignorant, and juvenile, and even though I don't take offense, because I am more like sherlock holmes then you, I will point out the factual detailed nature of your personality, and I will expound and reveal to all the mystery. That you are obviously only here to shove your opinion down peoples throats and offer no factual evidence of your assumptions.

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posted January 06, 2011 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
And if i shove it down the throat, it is still yours to swallow it.
If u search for crude,juvenile and most importantly ignorant,do look at ur post sometimes.
U r more like sherlock? So,all this sherlock's plutonian indentity is sooo obvious and true cuz YOU r plutonian. God given proof. Wow.
If i were u,i wouldn't read cindarella,then...
I am not Venus. I have indentity. Venus is nickname. I am free,doll,there is no need for projection.

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FACT: Self names are projections

FACT: IT's true not all my posts are pragmaticaly scientific. I'm colored and flavored by emotion.

FACT: SO ARE YOU

FACT: Sherlock holmes was a virgo with a plutonian nature, of which witout he would not be an investigor.

FACT:

Number one recomended profession for a plutonian is an investigator. Plutonians unearth. IT's a fact if you concede astrologies validity. This isn't my work, this is the work of people before me. You can find it all over the internet from an assortment of valid sources.
http://community.livejournal.com/plutonians/31400.html

take that one for example, a real life experience of a plutonian virgo.

I even compared two virgos, one with a pluto influence and one without, and i showed you that the one without was nothing like sherlock holmes and the one with was very much eriely so like him.

So that makes me right to a degree, and you wrong to a degree
and that's why I said that you were shoving your opinion down people sthroats

because you attempted, but failed, to insult me after I showed you these things.

It's true I'll have to swallow your insult for it to be effective, but after you shoved it down our throats, we spit it out..

I Don't know how much more proof I can show you that your wrong, that if sherlock holmes did not have a plutonian nature he would not be the sluth he was.....and that his virgo nature is only a facade, but a facade the bestowed to him only one of his many gifts.

If you can't see the multidimensional nature of a character, then you won't be able to weight out which aspect is more important.

To my knowledge I haven't been insulted by anyone except for you, so please don't bring into this post my other posts. It has nothing to do with your own ignorance.

posted January 06, 2011 06:33 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Pluto drives a person to investigate. Virgo is obsessed with details, but plutonians are unerthers. In order to transform a thing you must know it's properties.

Sherlock Holmes was written by a gemini who ha dmercury conjunct pluto....who had no virgo at all.
http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/S7zWC5gVGK42.htm

Pluto is the prime unearther. That's why pluto governs research.

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I agree

deduction

it reminds me of Batman

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 06, 2011 06:53 PM            

Watson describes Holmes as "bohemian" in habits and lifestyle. According to Watson, Holmes is an eccentric, with no regard for contemporary standards of tidiness or good order. In The Musgrave Ritual, Watson describes Holmes thus:

Although in his methods of thought he was the neatest and most methodical of mankind ... [he] keeps his cigars in the coal-scuttle, his tobacco in the toe end of a Persian slipper, and his unanswered correspondence transfixed by a jack-knife into the very centre of his wooden mantelpiece ... He had a horror of destroying documents.... Thus month after month his papers accumulated, until every corner of the room was stacked with bundles of manuscript which were on no account to be burned, and which could not be put away save by their owner.[7]

What appears to others as chaos, however, is to Holmes a wealth of useful information. Throughout the stories, Holmes would dive into his apparent mess of random papers and artefacts, only to retrieve precisely the specific document or eclectic item he was looking for.

Watson frequently makes note of Holmes's erratic eating habits. The detective is often described as starving himself at times of intense intellectual activity, such as during "The Adventure of the Norwood Builder", wherein, according to Watson:

[Holmes] had no breakfast for himself, for it was one of his peculiarities that in his more intense moments he would permit himself no food, and I have known him to presume upon his iron strength until he has fainted from pure inanition.[13]

His chronicler does not consider Holmes's habitual use of a pipe, or his less frequent use of cigarettes and cigars, a vice. Nor does Watson condemn Holmes's willingness to bend the truth or break the law on behalf of a client (e.g., lying to the police, concealing evidence or breaking into houses) when he feels it morally justifiable.[14] Even so, it is obvious that Watson has stricter limits than Holmes, and occasionally berated Holmes for creating a "poisonous atmosphere" of tobacco smoke.[15] Holmes himself references Watson's moderation in "The Adventure of the Devil's Foot", saying, "I think, Watson, that I shall resume that course of tobacco-poisoning which you have so often and so justly condemned." Watson also did not condone Holmes's plans when they manipulated innocent people, such as when he toyed with a young woman's heart in The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton.

Holmes is portrayed as a patriot acting on behalf of the government in matters of national security in a number of stories.[16] He also carries out counter-intelligence work in His Last Bow, set at the beginning of the First World War. As shooting practice, the detective adorned the wall of his Baker Street lodgings with "VR" (Victoria Regina) in bullet pocks made by his pistol.[7]

Holmes has an ego that at times borders on arrogant, albeit with justification; he draws pleasure from baffling police inspectors with his superior deductions. He does not seek fame, however, and is usually content to allow the police to take public credit for his work. It's often only when Watson publishes his stories that Holmes's role in the case becomes apparent.[17]

Holmes is pleased when he is recognised for having superior skills and responds to flattery, as Watson remarks, as a girl does to comments upon her beauty.

Holmes's demeanour is presented as dispassionate and cold. Yet when in the midst of an adventure, Holmes can sparkle with remarkable passion. He has a flair for showmanship and will prepare elaborate traps to capture and expose a culprit, often to impress Watson or one of the Scotland Yard inspectors.[18]

Holmes is a loner and does not strive to make friends. He attributes his solitary ways to his particular interests and his mopey disposition. In The Adventure of the Gloria Scott, he tells Watson that during two years at college, he made only one friend, Victor Trevor. Holmes says, "I was never a very sociable fellow, Watson, always rather fond of moping in my rooms and working out my own little methods of thought, so that I never mixed much with the men of my year;... my line of study was quite distinct from that of the other fellows, so that we had no points of contact at all." He is similarly described in A Study in Scarlet as difficult to draw out by young Stamford.

Holmes' emotional state/mental health has been a topic of analysis for decades. At their first meeting in A Study in Scarlet, the detective warns Watson that he gets "in the dumps at times" and doesn't open his "mouth for days on end." Many readers and literary experts have suggested Holmes showed signs of manic depressive psychosis, with moments of intense enthusiasm coupled with instances of indolent self absorption. The detective's isolation and near-gynophobic distrust of women is said to suggest the desire to escape; Holmes "biographer" William Baring-Gould and others, including Nicholas Meyer, author of the Seven Percent Solution, have implied a severe family trauma (i.e., the murder of Holmes' mother) may be the root cause. Theories on the origins of Holmes' emotional disconsolation have in fact been the raison d'être for an entire sub-genre of Holmes material.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes

His birthday happens to be January 6th which is today

it's either 1854

another author argues 1861

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 06, 2011 07:04 PM            

And I have never aspired to be anything like him actually, but as a matter of fact, I was watching sherlock holmes earlier today and recounting each character foible.

I even mention my affinity for chaos days ago in my video post.

but Glaucus

Thank you for posting that.
Would you agree with this, feel free to alter it any way you seem fit.

You have definately earned more than that on this thread.

So we can see that Sherlock Holmes was a capricorn probably with a virgo ascendant, mercury in gemini, but ruled by pluto.