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Topic: Cancers are NOT "live and let live"
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stillatlarge Knowflake Posts: 25 From: TX Registered: Nov 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 11:47 AM
Well, I'm not talking about "revenge". They have no reason to want revenge. It's usually just irrational jealousy in my experience. They are the cruelest, most sadistic sign I know. Everybody wants to argue with that. All I can say is that for some reason you're not triggering it or you would know what I'm talking about. They are horrible to siblings and other females, usually wanting to monopolize the mother. That's not just my opinion. I've read that in different astro books. My older sister by 18 years, my neice, 5 yr younger than I, and my aunt were all cancers. The older aunt was a sweetheart who made everyone feel better. The other two are EVIL incarnate. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 1709 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted January 23, 2011 12:03 PM
Do you want to cite every astro book that supposedly backs up your very subjective point? I don't know you so I'm not trying to invalidate your experience but I really don't appreciate you trying to pigeonhole me with whoever crossed you just because we happen to share the same sign. Ironically, you just proved OUR point in your above post. IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 56 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 12:19 PM
@stillatlarge, I'm sorry you've had terrible experiences with Cancers, but I'm glad to hear you've had at least one good experience with one. I'm not offended by your dislike of Cancers in general. I like to think of each sign in the zodiac as a necessary piece of the zodiac pie. We all have gifts, challenges, and lessons that we are learning. Sometimes my path crosses another at a time when they are challenged by one of the lessons they are tasked to learn, and the same is true of those by whom I must learn a lesson when they cross my path. Cancers can be frustrating, but it has been my experience that all of the other zodiac signs can be just as challenging. And, often times, the reason behind challenging relationships is revealed to me when I analyze how their astrological make up interacts with my own. The responsibility, or rather, the reason, lies in the lack of compatibility and not solely in the soul imprint of one vs. the other. That has been my experience. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 1709 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted January 23, 2011 01:10 PM
Every sign can be a challenge if they choose to take the lower path. Everyone is saying it these days but I truly mean it from experience: we are the most misunderstood sign. When we have outdated/uncreative descriptions of our sign even in astrology books, what can you expect? I've had the unfortunate displeasure of crossing paths and living with low cancers like the ones mentioned elsewhere in this post and yes, they are that bad that I would prefer not to have their company ever again. I've also met people who show both the high and low traits of the sign (which is probably the better majority of us), and I've met and known of some very evolved ones that make me want to better myself and look at how I'm contributing to the greater good.
Like every other sign we don't come in good or bad by default, we come in different phases and go through different stages of life and development too. Just because we're come with emotions or empathy doesn't mean we're automatically Jesus Christ. I think that's where everyone's problem lies: they expect us to be nice and sugary when that's just not realistic or productive. We become content with absorbing alot of crap and emotional garbage when we stay the 'yes' person. IP: Logged |
Missa Newflake Posts: 16 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted January 23, 2011 01:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming: I read once that Cancers totally do not follow the philosophy of live and let live, as opposed to Aquarians. Is this just a cancer thing, or a cardinal thing in general.
A Cancer-thing, not a cardinal thing. :-) Libras are very much like Aquarians, both being air signs. IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 56 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 02:06 PM
I disagree. I don't think it's a Cancer thing or a cardinal thing. I think it's a people thing. The biggest gossips I personally know are Cancers, Scorpios and Libras. They can be relentless. Although, I would say the ones I know are best described as judgmental. I know a Gemini and Aquarius that are too detached to care. I was just with a Scorpio friend that gave me the rundown on what is going on in about 8 of her neighbor's lives (people I don't know). I feigned interest, but really I could not have cared less about the topic. My other Scorpio friend is the office gossip where I used to work. I think it all depends. Everyone can get caught up in a cycle of gossip. My Leo friend knows what is going on in the life of every celebrity (supposedly) and presents it as law. I am going to increase my efforts to not say anything about anyone's life outside of my own. I just don't think gossip lends itself to positive spiritual growth and I don't want anything I say to bite me in the arse later on in life. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 1709 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted January 23, 2011 06:23 PM
I think people are misunderstanding RAS' original post. She didn't just mean the negative side of it (gossipmongering, control-freaking it, etc.). The more positive side would be making a difference where it is needed and yes, that is a Cardinal thing on both sides of the coin. Besides some cancerians, I've known Librans, Caps, and Aries who also weren't content to let everyone do what they wanted to do because they thought it wasn't best for them. Live-and-let-live, to me, is a mutable thing and more because they're content to go with the flow. I don't see that as fixed sign energy at all (especially not Humanitarian/social Activist Aquarius).
Personally I am very much live-and-let-live even though my Sun, Mars, and Asc are Cardinal. All the mutable energy and my 12th house stellium win out in this area. Or rather, life has taught me to be this way: I can tell someone the right way to do something or give them all the proper advice in world, but if they would rather wallow in their misery than take action then what the hell am I doing wasting my time? (Sorry, impatient aries mars showing...haha) IP: Logged |
Moons Of Jupiter Knowflake Posts: 141 From: Australia Registered: Jun 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 06:38 PM
Just out of curiosity, have people looked at the rest of the these bad Cancers' charts? I'm genuinely wondering if there is something with Venus or Mercury relating to intense gossip, as it's not traditionally a Cancerian 'thing' if you know what I mean, or maybe it is and we don't know officially?Just asking, because I am really averse to b*****ing about people, I don't enjoy it and I avoid it. Like everyone else, I engaged in it in highschool, but quickly left that group of friends, didn't like who I was becoming. However, totally agreed that un-evolved Cancers, much like Scorpios, are manipulative, behind the scenes, dark and downright nasty. LunaGoat - we have a very similar chart, I think? Venus Virgo, Cancer Sun and Rising (or was it Mars as well)? IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 1709 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted January 23, 2011 06:55 PM
I would think that gossiping is more about an afflicted mercury or 3rd house since it is about communication. We all do it, but I guess there some people who are worse than others re: spreading stuff. IP: Logged |
Chaos Knowflake Posts: 96 From: Serbia Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 07:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by stillatlarge: ....They are the cruelest, most sadistic sign I know....They are horrible to siblings and other females, usually wanting to monopolize the mother.......There's a reason that you always look for a Cancerian first when there are hang-up calls, prank phone calls, anonymous calls to your boss,potential boss, inlaws, fiance', and general stalking kinds of behavior.
Oh, dear...well, I stubbornly refuse to believe a certain sign can be that bad, but I do admit Cancer is my least favorite sign (followed by Libra, and I've got many reasons for that as well), although my best friend is a Cancer. There's just too many Cancer people from my environment that are more than just a bit negative. And I do think if my friend's chart wasn't Sag/Gem flavored, she'd be quite negative too...Very intelligent still but negative & hateful. IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 56 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 07:48 PM
I've looked at the various charts of the people to whom I'm referring and the only thing that stands out is that they have either Cancer, Scorpio, or Libra suns or Scorpio or Cancer moons. One has a Gemini moon. The Libras have Libra Mercury and the Cancers have Cancer mercury. Their Venus signs are all different. I am a Cancer sun with a Cancer mercury and Virgo Venus.The problem I have found with my Cancer girlfriends is that they can be quite negative and standoffish. One cut me out of her life after she had been going through a bad time (laid off) and then when I was laid off she finally returned my call. We talked for 4 hours that day and then I moved. I emailed to say hello about three months later and she tells me that she's not feeling the right "vibe" between us. Seriously? She did not say that during our 4 hour conversation, which I think is quite immature and shows poor communication. That was a bit too "misery loves company" to me. The Cancerian shell bothers me to no end, but I must say that I've been guilty of that kind of behavior with a former friend. In all fairness, this friend and I were somewhat incompatible (she is an Aries). I do think, actually, I know, that there are wonderful things about Cancerians. They are very empathetic and friendly when they feel safe. Their intuition is often on point (and even more so if they can control the tendency to logically dismiss (imaginary) slights), and can be amazing listeners. Unfortunately, I've had my fill of Cancer female friends because they get too depressed for my taste. I will own the fact that female Cancers probably feel the same about me. My experience has taught me that I get along best with Scorpios, Taureans, and Sags. I love Cancers, but they ability to cut me out of their lives on an emotional whim is astounding. IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 56 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 08:00 PM
@Moons of Jupiter, I have a cancer sun, mercury, Saturn and Juno all in the 12th house, Venus in Virgo, and Taurus mars. My moon is in Capricorn. Leo rising. What are your placements?@Benedict Moon, I think what bothers me is the "feeling" that a slight has taken place instead of an out-and-out slight. I'm guilty of this myself, I'm sure, but often times my Capricorn moon makes me keep it to myself and I will think about it (which is not healthier than confronting it head on and asking if there is something else the person who said whatever means). I have a friend who is always talking about these "feelings" she gets about people. The thing is, she is usually talking about Leos who I have found to be pretty direct, so I doubt they are not saying what they mean. I guess I'm just at a place in my life where I want to express how I'm feeling and I have very little tolerance for gossip and undiscussed "feelings" that surface weeks or months later after Cancer leaves it's shell. It's just a big time waster. I think saying what you mean and meaning what you say shows more integrity. I do think gossip is a normal part of life and that everyone does it, but I hope that I, being a Cancer, won't gossip out of slights that have no basis in reality. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 1709 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted January 23, 2011 08:20 PM
I don't like chronic gossiping either. If you just like talking sh%t, trying to give me the 411 on everyone's personal lives because you have some hateration issues or are plain bored then I don't want anything to do with that or you because I don't need anymore negative crap to absorb. However, if you're venting about someone you have LEGIT concern about (ex. a co-worker who's lazy as hell and passes work off to everyone else) then I will listen to you just so you can vent... because the chances are that this person has p*ssed everyone else off and is creating a bad enviroment. See, I'm a Virgo Moon so I like my conversations to be productive. Anyways, my point is that gossiping is Mercury's domain. Theoretically, I think anyone who is a chronic gossiper will usually have that or afflicted Gemini/3rd house since this is about 'moving' communication. I don't like getting stuck on sun signs for this because that's too one dimensional for my taste.
I work in a Unit now that's full of preteen drama and they are all an almalgory of sun signs. I don't have all their birth years so I can't tell you anything conclusive. Other than that, the biggest gossipwh0res I knew from highschool was a Libra and two Capricorns. Go figure.
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RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 383 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 08:59 PM
BenedictMoon, thank you! About the only person who got my point. Lol. Finally got my question answered....I say ignore all these negative things about Cancers. I am definitely not a gossiper, and maybe slightly judgemental, but moreso just of people who want to be perceived as douchebags or ***** . I could care less about the rest. Why would you want to be perceived as someone like that in society? Stand for something, or fall for anything. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 1709 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted January 23, 2011 09:15 PM
You're most welcome! And to answer your question: I think its a Cardinal trait and would explain why many people with heavy cardinal energy take leadership roles in many areas. The negative side of it would be what people were discussing earlier, but I don't think that's what you were asking about. I don't care for most gossip either and neither do most of the Cancers I know, and yeah I may pass judgements (in my head) but its usually perceptively based and not on what anyone else told me (in other words: 9/10 my first impressions are usually correct). Re: female Mooners, I can't even form a uniform opinion about Cancer females because every one I've known are radically different from one another. I guess the two with Aries Moons were very positive 'move foward' type of people, the one with the Libra Moon was a damn good dresser, the Scorpio Moon one totally 'got me', and I dunno. The only one I can think of with the teenage mentality was an older one I worked dayshift with in Nursery, but the only birthdata I have on her is that she was born on June 24th. Anyways, I have Sun/Mercury/Chiron/Juno/DC in Cancer and I spend 65% of the time lost in my head or trying to get lost in my head...haha. All the neptune won't let me land on the ground. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 383 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 09:33 PM
I always found it funny when someone called somebody else judgmental, because that is a judgement in itself. The cancer women I've met were all very sweet, impulsive, aggressive, and had strong opinions. They had a vulnerable look to them, but at the same time were very strong. They were also very nice and what I would consider "cool" ..because they get bored easily like me so they were always doing something new to stave off boredom.
Negative aspects is that sometimes they were irrational...and got very upset if someone was "trying to be cool" and was not being themselves. Thanks, sweetie! Lol seriously ur the only one who got what i meant u should be proud! IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 56 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 23, 2011 10:49 PM
I understood what you were asking, but I got caught up in the unfolding discussion and joined in after the discussion about gossip came into play. Also, I do believe that everyone is judgmental to some degree, some to the point of inherently reminding themselves not to judge so they appear unjudgmental. Others have no problem putting their judgments on blast which makes them appear extremely judgmental. If saying so qualifies me as judgmental, I'll wear the banner. :-)IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 1709 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted January 24, 2011 08:21 AM
quote: The cancer women I've met were all very sweet, impulsive, aggressive, and had strong opinions. They had a vulnerable look to them, but at the same time were very strong. They were also very nice and what I would consider "cool" ..because they get bored easily like me so they were always doing something new to stave off boredom.
Actually, the one thing I've found in common with all of us is that we all 'care'...more than we should. Though that may be a problem with most watersigns. We put too much emotional energy in things and get so little in return.
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RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 383 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 29, 2011 09:07 PM
@Benedict MoonSo true.... *THIS* is the point of this thread! That is what I was trying to say that cancers do. We care too much about others. IP: Logged | |