posted January 22, 2011 11:28 AM            

I've looked at many charts and helped people find constructive ways to work with aspects....but I've never found anything (book, person, website, sudden insight) that's helped me find a constructive way to work with my own Cancerian 7th house.

I'm hoping it's one of those things where I'll have a sudden breakthrough in my chart. You can really SEE it in my life, how in 8th house issues (where I have my Leo Sun-Merc and Virgo Mars), I THRIVE, I love love love 8th house things (sex, death, the subconscious,deep research, transformation, the occult) and Leo things (creativity, drama, fun) and have a happy, curious, powerful relationship to them.

And then in my Cancer 7th house, I feel so powerless and choiceless. Like I have a choice between not being partnered with the person I choose, and not being partnered with the person I choose. A choice between feeling rejected and unloved (in that area, partnerships), and feeling rejected and unloved. Whereas the 8th and 9th houses are these areas of thrilling exploration, passion, openness, and possibility for me.

posted January 22, 2011 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by lunagoatlion:
@Glaucus, you seem really self-aware! Has understanding these things about your astrological chart helped you overcome the challenges you've listed? Do you ever feel a bit put upon by God when you analyze your energy blueprint? All the squares and oppositions I have, as well as my stacked 12th house, seem to serve a purpose of placing major obstacles in my path. I know that many say that they think that trines mean you won't grow and develop as a person as much as a person who is forced to do so bc of challenges, but, heck, give me a chart full of trines any day!

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Well..my challenges with my Dyslexia,Dyslexia,and Dyspraxia are lifelong. With early intervention special education therapies, their weaknesses have been greatly corrected. Before their corrections, I was like a low functioning autistic. After corrections, I am Aspergers-like. The weaknesses are a lot milder, and they got mistaken for having schizoaffective bipolar. I struggled with anxiety for a long time, and I am not sure if it's from insecurity or the anxiety that comes from being overwhelmed/overstimulated in connected to sensory integrations. Dr. Temple Grandin,who has high functioning autism,regularly takes prozac because of her anxiety in regards to sensory integration issues. People with neurological differences are more likely to suffer from anxiety and depression than people without neurological diffeences. I didn't understand about neurodivergent conditions until 2003. I realized that my main life purpose is to help others that have neurological differences/special educations. Literally, I was born to do something "special". That's why I started a non profit organization for people with neurological differences.

My challenges of being multiethnic is something that I just deal with. Times are changing, multiethnic people are getting more accepted. There is still a long way to go though. The "one drop rule" is pervasive in American culture, but I refuse to embrace it.

My mother still has health problems. She is disabled. She has no lower legs,and she has to be in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. As her only child, I have responsibilities and obligations to her. I fits with my t-square too.

I don't think Astrology had anything to do with resolving any challenges. I didn't get into Astrology until 1999. It did help me understand my sensitivities and how they work. I think Pluto's transneptunian objects were the missing pieces of the puzzle for me.

I can't that I feel put upon by God.
I just think of them as karmic lessons/experiences that I am going through.

I feel that I was born with a strong collective karma to sort out with
This is mainly reflected by my Sun oppose/conjunct the Eris Nodes (both geocentric,heliocentric) with 10 minutes of arc. It's about collective matters dealing with diversity,equality as well as not going with the status quo which can lead to me being discordant and controversial. I have other personal hard aspects to collective nodes that include:

Chart ruler Mercury oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Mercury Nodes and Heliocentric Mars Nodes
Midheaven/Imum Coeli conjunct the Heliocentric Ixion Nodes and conjunct/oppose Geocentric North Ixion Node Ascendant/Descendant square Heliocentric Uranus Nodes
Midheaven/Imum Coeli oppose/conjunct Geocentric South Uranus Node

My Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th is not totally "afflicted", it's trine the conjunction of my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio,Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio,and Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio in 2nd and sextile my Sedna in 2'06 Taurus R in 8th

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 22, 2011 02:55 PM            

EDIT: Actually, in relationships I tend to think I'm amazing and can be blind to my own shortcomings. I think that is because I'm a 29' Cancerian with a Leo rising. I guess I really wanted to be born a Leo, but apparently had to wait until I was almost 2 before I became quite Leonine. Progressions considered, I'm supposedly expressing my Cancer traits in a Virgo way right now.

posted January 22, 2011 05:07 PM            

Your chart is not all bad at all. You have an extremely tight trine between Virgo Venus and Capricorn Moon, and are probably a lot more charming then you realize. You also have an extremely tight sextile between Mercury in Cancer and Mars in Taurus in the 10th which I think accounts for a lot of your career success. Mars is action and Mercury is talk, so you can walk your talk so to speak. And with mars and mercury both in feminine signs you can do so in a calm, steady way which is not abrasive.

I have a Cancer moon/Sag Venus quincunx and it's less then a degree tight, plus my sun is in Cap which is totally contradictory. Let me tell you I'd love to have the trine. The Venus/moon quincunx for me feels very awkward and sticky, like I'm embarrassed my own emotional and relationship needs. Venus in Sag wants me to feel like I'm free and independent, and that while I'll give love when I choose to, I don't 'need' anybody. Cancer moon, on the other hand, craves security and protection and is way more needy then I'm willing to admit to. It's hard for me to admit how vulnerable I am. My love ideals and emotional needs are not in sync, so these areas in life are forced to make concessions for each other and it required constant adjustment.

posted January 22, 2011 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Lunagoatlion,

Your chart is not all bad at all. You have an extremely tight trine between Virgo Venus and Capricorn Moon, and are probably a lot more charming then you realize. You also have an extremely tight sextile between Mercury in Cancer and Mars in Taurus in the 10th which I think accounts for a lot of your career success. Mars is action and Mercury is talk, so you can walk your talk so to speak. And with mars and mercury both in feminine signs you can do so in a calm, steady way which is not abrasive.

I have a Cancer moon/Sag Venus quincunx and it's less then a degree tight, plus my sun is in Cap which is totally contradictory. Let me tell you I'd love to have the trine. The Venus/moon quincunx for me feels very awkward and sticky, like I'm embarrassed my own emotional and relationship needs. Venus in Sag wants me to feel like I'm free and independent, and that while I'll give love when I choose to, I don't 'need' anybody. Cancer moon, on the other hand, craves security and protection and is way more needy then I'm willing to admit to. It's hard for me to admit how vulnerable I am. My love ideals and emotional needs are not in sync, so these areas in life are forced to make concessions for
each other and it required constant adjustment.

With the trine your love ideals and emotional needs are in sync, and you are at harmony with who you are as a women, regardless of other issues in your chart. That is a beautiful thing.

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Thank you so much for the kind interpretation of those particular placements, Lotis! I'm new to astrology and everything I read about certain placements tends to be extremely negative. It's sort of amazing that any placement is considered decent from the descriptions I've read. Yes, I have always felt that my emotional needs and my love needs align quite well, but Venus in Virgo is no picnic. Having a sign in fall is truly the pits.

posted January 22, 2011 07:51 PM            

Planetary positions
planet sign degree motion
Sun Capricorn 5°48 in house 1
Moon Cancer 29°14 in house 8
Mercury Sagittarius 22°38 in house 12
Venus Sagittarius 29°41 in house 1
Mars Leo 10°03 in house 9
Jupiter Cancer 0°26 in house 7
Saturn Virgo 0°18 in house 9
Uranus Scorpio 15°07 in house 11
Neptune Sagittarius 16°35 in house 12
Pluto Libra 16°32 in house 11
True Node Libra 10°51 in house 11

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Sagittarius 25°07
2nd House Capricorn 16°26
3rd House Aquarius 8°08
Imum Coeli Pisces 3°54
5th House Aries 7°05
6th House Taurus 17°03
Descendant Gemini 25°07
8th House Cancer 16°26
9th House Leo 8°08
Medium Coeli Virgo 3°54
11th House Libra 7°05
12th House Scorpio 17°03

Major aspects
Sun Conjunction Venus 6°07
Sun Opposition Jupiter 5°22
Sun Trine Saturn 5°30
Moon Quincunx Venus 0°27
Mercury Conjunction Ascendant 2°29
Venus Opposition Jupiter 0°45
Venus Trine Saturn 0°37
Venus Conjunction Ascendant 4°34
Mars Square Uranus 5°04
Jupiter Sextile Saturn 0°08
Jupiter Opposition Ascendant 5°19
Saturn Trine Ascendant 5°11
Neptune Sextile Pluto 0°02
Numbers indicate orb (deviation from the exact aspect angle)

posted January 23, 2011 02:31 AM            

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Originally posted by lunagoatlion:
@Lioness and @Lucia23, isn't the combo of water and fire in a chart so confusing!? I am sooooo happy that I have a Leo rising, though, because with a water sun sign and my cappy moon it certainly helps me to appear less serious on the outside.

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posted January 23, 2011 03:04 AM            

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Originally posted by lunagoatlion:
No nasty aspects to Neptune, which seems nice. My Venus square Neptune brings a lot of deceptive people across my path of love, so trust has become a big issue for me. Actually, I just tend to ignore serious flaws. How does that packed 12th house affect you? Also, with sun trine Saturn, do you find that you tend to learn from the mistakes of others and don't necessarily need to learn things the hard way? I'm new at this so I apologize if my questions sound a bit silly.

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Stephen Arroyo thought the following about challenging Neptune aspects:

according to page 124-125 of RELATIONSHIPS AND LIFE CYCLES Astrological Patterns Of Personal Experience by Stephen Arroyo:

If you have a Neptune aspect to Mars or Venus,you get some really interesting combinations here, too. Both of which are commonly found, incidentally, in spiritual seekers---Mars-Neptune or Venus-Neptune. In fact, just about every person I've ever seen who was a very sincere seeker, really wanting some kind of spiritual liberation, has Venus-Neptune,Mars-Neptune or Sun or Moon in a close aspect with Neptune,or Neptune in 1st house. Always a strong Neptune. And usually the Neptune aspects,in those kind of people, are the so-called "stressful" aspects;because it's the so-called stressful aspects that make you want to act on something,that make you want to do something about it. So really, squares,oppositions,and conjunctions with Neptune are the best aspects you can have for spiritual aspirations. With trines,you may have a curiosity about spiritual things, but you may not do anything about it. In fact, I've seen that in many cases,too. People with a lot of Neptune trines, especially Neptune trine the Sun--they'll read books about Zen liberation and all this, but they often just sit on their butts and smoke pot and don't do anything about it, for example medication or any kind of spiritual practice.

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posted January 23, 2011 03:23 AM            

they wrote the following:

As Johannes Kepler very clearly states, the horoscope shows your potential and not your predestination. The situation of astrology is similar to the way researchers can use modern chaos research to perceive the formulas concealed behind a multitude of manifestations (such as weather clouds) without being able to predict in which form this formula will manifest itself. The horoscope is a formula which is the basis for the life of a human being. Yet, what you make of it, how far you let yourself drift along, or to which heights of development you rise, all lie in a realm beyond the possibility of interpretation.

These keyboards should then be understood as a description of one portion of the whole. Many opportunities for development are concealed in every aspect in the chart. However, how and and to what degree, they are manifested, and what level they depends upon the personality's degree of maturity--and precisely this factor is not revealed in the horoscope. This is why we have also consciously dispensed with stating the commonly made differentiation between good and bad, easy and difficult, harmonious and tension-laden, auspicious and misfortune-bringing configurations. Such definitions are foolish. We have seen horoscopes that were full of so-called harmonious aspects, yet the people affected were caught up in deep crises in life. Life simply ran on without meaning. Nothing had challenged them and/or even forced them to make something of their lives. Everything was simply easy and superficial, and after point in time it became unbearable.

On the other hand, it is widely known that the horoscopes of great personalities are charged with tensions. For this reason, we have described all the horoscope factors in their polar tensions as strengths and problem areas---or---for the aspects--harmony and discord. We have followed the development from the obstruction to the solution solely in the case of Saturn, the Lord of Time (Cronos). It may certainly be true that a difficult astrological configuration, such as a planet positioned in "detriment" or in "fall," or irritated or impaired by difficult aspects (such as square or an opposition) initially attracts attention from its critical side. Yet there is not only the possibility of transformation, but also the responsibility to transform, in each of these configurations. From the astrological perspective, the horoscope describes the starting situation in which we begin our life on Earth. Now our task is polishing ourselves against our various tensions until we succeed in uniting all the original discord into a great harmonious sympathy.

I had the book since 1999. Ever since I read the book, that's how I have approached Astrology.

I am pretty much a humanistic and psychological astrologer.

The astrologers that had the most influence on me are Dr. Glenn Perry,Liz Greene, Stephen Arroyo, and Steven Forrest.

Noel Tyl and Robert Hand also greatly influenced me.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 23, 2011 03:28 AM            

The Birth of Psychological Astrology

By Glenn Perry, Ph.D.

Rudhyar was the first to recognize how astrology and humanistic psychology complemented one another. The chart, in effect, could be utilized as a tool for mapping the complex inner world that humanists were starting to explore. Just as humanistic psychology was a response to the determinism inherent in psychoanalysis and behaviorism, humanistic astrology was a response to the determinism inherent in traditional, event-oriented astrology. Borrowing from Carl Roger's (1951) Client-Centered Therapy, Rudhyar (1972) developed Person-Centered Astrology. Rudhyar was less concerned with whether astrology works than on how it could be utilized to assist the process of self-actualization. The real question was, given that astrology works what is its proper use?

In 1969 Rudhyar founded the International Committee for Humanistic Astrology and declared that astrology was, or should be, primarily a technique for understanding human nature. He decried the implicit determinism of predictive astrology and focused instead on astrology's potential as a symbolic language. Instead of seeing planets as transmitters of physical influence, Rudhyar saw them as symbolic of human functions. As a psychological language and diagnostic tool, astrology could serve as a guide to the integration and transformation of personality. Rudhyar's approach was "person-centered" in the sense that every birthchart was unique; a horoscope represented the individual's total potential in which no planet was "good" or "bad" but rather each element was part of an organic whole. Events were not interpreted as isolated occurrences with fortunate or unfortunate effects, but as purposeful, phase-specific manifestations of developmental cycles. An event derived its meaning from the stage it represented in a given planetary cycle and contributed to an ongoing process of growth that lead inexorably toward self-realization.

In the 1970's, the humanistic banner was taken up by such astrologers as Ziporah Dobyns, Richard Idemon, Stephen Arroyo, Robert Hand, and others. Humanistic astrologers asserted that there is no absolute separation between human and divine; rather, people and planets are woven into the same seamless web of being. Every individual is a focus and channel for the numinous energies that permeate the entire cosmos. Consciousness, not matter, is the primary reality of the Universe. As the human psyche is both reflective of and embedded within the Universal Psyche, it partakes of the creative power of this parent Consciousness. The psyche is bound and animated by the laws and formative principles of the One Being of which all lesser beings are parts. While the universal laws of Absolute Being cannot be violated, the individual is free and self-determining within the boundaries of these laws.

Rudhyar held that each person was born in response to a need of the Universe at a particular time and place. The birth chart, in effect, represents the solution to this need; i.e., it reveals the purpose of the life and the key to one's destiny. Put another way, the horoscope is like a "seed-plan" that shows a person's unique path of development. Just as a seed packet depicts a picture of the plant that the enclosed seeds may eventually become, so the horoscope symbolizes the kind of adult that the individual may become. In this view, nothing occurs in a human life except for a purpose, and this purpose is the purpose of the whole acting through the individual. This whole is often referred to as the core Self, the indwelling divinity that is rooted in a living, purposive universe. The question then becomes not what is going to happen, but what is its meaning? Astrology, said Rudhyar, can be utilized as a kind of karma yoga in which everything that happens is related to who the person is and what he or she may become. Thus the humanistic astrologer should not be concerned with events per se, but only with the response or meaning that the client gives to them. "It is not the predictable events which are important, but the attitude of the individual person towards his own growth and self-fulfillment" (1972, p. 54).

The advantage of the birth-chart is that it depicts the individual as a whole and thus provides a means for understanding how internal conflicts result in personality fragmentation and the exteriorization of conflict. Individuals split off and deny certain parts of themselves when the needs that underlay the expression of these parts meet with pain and frustration. Various functions get repressed and projected, and thus the individual is reduced to only part of what he or she potentially is. Unintegrated functions are typically experienced in the outer world in the guise of people and situations the individual attracts. What the individual experiences as a problematic situation or relationship can be seen in the chart as an aspect of his or her own psyche. In this way, the horoscope indicates what functions have been denied and projected, and through what circumstances (houses) they will likely be encountered.

While the birthchart provides insight into the client's internal conflicts, it is transits and progressions that tell us when these conflicts will be targeted for healing. These planetary movements indicate the nature, meaning, and duration of various developmental periods, each of which presents its own challenges and opportunities. While transits may correlate with outer events that seem to impinge upon the individual, astrology suggests that these events are the synchronous external manifestation of inner changes. In other words, environment and psyche are reflections of one another. The outer events serve as the trigger or stimulus to promote inner psychological growth. Seen in this way, transits reveal those parts of a person's nature which are ready to be consciously integrated, explored or transformed.

To re-engage a split-off part usually results in crisis since it means that the old order has to die in order for a new, more inclusive order to emerge. The humanistic astrologer, says Rudhyar (1975),

welcomes crises as signs of growth. He attempts to help the client or patient to reorient himself toward the causes of the crisis, to reassesses his goals as well as his motives, to accept what is, but in a new and holistic manner...which eventually should lead to harmony, inner peace, wisdom and compassion. (p. 56-7)
The value of astrology, then, is not its power to predict what the gods have in store for humans, but its ability to reveal the god-like powers that reside in the depths of every human being. Accordingly, the focus in humanistic astrology is inward, not outward, and interpretations are made in terms of personal growth and fulfillment. Simply put, the goal is to help the client realize the potentials that are symbolized by the horoscope. For example, Saturn opposed Venus in the natal chart indicates not simply "misfortune in love," but the potential to love deeply, enduringly, and responsibly along with the patience and determination to overcome obstacles. While realization of this potential may require a certain amount of hardship and suffering, to predict only hardship and suffering with no understanding of the potential gains involved is shortsighted at best and damaging at worst. Dobyns (1973) put it this way:

Telling people they are fated to experience specific negative events can be highly destructive. The view taken here is that character is destiny, and that by changing our character (our habitual attitudes, beliefs, and actions) we can change our destiny. With self-knowledge, we can integrate conflicts, overcome weaknesses, further develop talents, and move toward balance. As humanistic psychology puts it, we can achieve self-actualization and self-transcendence. (p. 2)
In many ways, humanistic astrology represents a genuine advancement in the theory of humanistic psychology. Both Jungian and humanistic psychologies have been criticized for their lack of precision in describing the inner nature of the human being. References to archetypes, faculties, functions, impulses and the like tend to be vague and speculative, with no concrete referents for outlining in a systematic manner the structure of the psyche. Humanistic psychology is more a set of attitudes toward the person than a precise and useful theory of personality and human growth. Astrology, on the other hand, provides objective predictable correlates for the structure and dynamics of the psyche while also indicating the directions that growth might occur. The person with Saturn opposed Venus, for example, may shift over time from a negative, fearful attitude toward relationships, e.g., "I will resist being controlled by my domineering partner," to one of responsible and loyal commitment. Such a shift would reflect a more mature, realistic attitude toward relationship, e.g., "a good marriage requires patience, humility, and hard work," while still being consistent with the astrological meaning of Saturn opposed Venus.

http://www.aaperry.com/index.asp?pgid=20

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 23, 2011 06:49 PM            

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Actually, reading crappy interpretations of my natal chart isn't the worst--the WORST is that I almost never run into interpretations of my synastry or composite with anyone I like that are at all hopeful.

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I know EXACTLY the feeling you are talking about, but I swear it helps that we're not alone at least. I also often get shot down on synastry with people I feel are right for me. It's like there's that all-crucial one point in your chart which throws the rest off.

I say IGNORE IT.

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Originally posted by lunagoatlion:
@Moons of Jupiter, I can totally relate with you on the Cancer planets. They really makes things bogged down for me. I have sun (at 29'), Mercury and Saturn in Cancer in the 12th house. Not fun! Then my Capricorn moon is in the 6th house. My Leo rising helps me to be a bit more outgoing. I tend to focus on career more than anything and have never felt an overwhelming desire to date around. I've gone incredibly long stretches not being in a relationship (empty 7th house...ugh!). I am 35 and do want to marry someday, but an astrologer recently told me that Venus in Virgo people tend to not marry or divorce more than others because they are too critical (yes, very encouraging). I'm not sure what all of this means, but my placements are:

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Wow LGL - I have very similar things going on. Also told by an astrologer that the natal Venus Virgo (mine was RX) being all about the relationship with THE SELF, was not going to make it easy on friendships and relationships. I'm not interested in numerous relationships either, it's just more meeting people I am attracted to that happens so rarely. And troubles with female friendships, ugh...don't get me started.

I difficult placement for Venus, even though it really shouldn't be when you think about it?