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Topic: Worst Chart Ever...?
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lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 03:58 PM
I'm somewhat new to the study of astrology, but after finding out all of my chart positions, aspects, placements, etc., I am convinced that I have the worst chart ever. This, of course, is very depressing. I have so many squares and oppositions and signs in detriment or fall that it isn't even funny. It's like the odds were purposely stacked against me or something when I read the descriptions of all of the placements. I'm one big contradictory, nervous, seemingly incapable of love hot mess! Have any of you ever felt like your chart was absolutely terrible? What aspects cause you the most grief? Anything you can share would be great. I'm wondering if I'm the only one who has felt like s/he is the unsuspecting owner of a cursed chart. LOA Disclaimer: My chart is perfect...My chart is perfect...My chart is perfect. :-) IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 04:07 PM
Apparently, the aspects i have create a Sun-Saturn at the apex of a T-Square. Everything I've read says this is the ruiner of all things fun. Good times!IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1857 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 04:14 PM
When worked with the right way, the most horrific-looking aspects of your chart can become the most beautiful.It's like how epic beauties don't look like computer-generated faces with perfect symmetry. Their flaws make them unique, and that makes them more beautiful. There's a flip side to every aspect. Like my ex-boyfriend's tight Moon-Neptune conjunction in Sag in the 12th house--could make him dreamy, deeply spiritual, musically talented, mystical...or druggy, drifty, escapist, and unreliable. Or both. Or each, at different times in his life. There's stuff in my chart I really haven't figured out how to work with, yet. It's partly that there aren't enough really constructive astrology books out there. IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 04:21 PM
Yes, I've noticed that some astrology books are really focused on the negative. Some descriptions make me feel like I must be intensely broken. So, which side of the Moon-Neptune conjunction does your boyfriend fall on? Do you see both sides integrated into his personality equally, or does another of his aspects lesson the potential blow of the negative qualities? IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 04:22 PM
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lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 04:22 PM
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Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1857 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 04:52 PM
He's my ex-boyfriend. I think he manifests both sides of that Moon-Neptune all at once.The thing in my chart I hate is ALL THE CANCER. If I could have a Cancer-free chart I would be much happier. I have Cancer Moon-Saturn in my 7th house conjunct my DC, squaring my Pluto....and then also Venus at 29 Cancer in my 7th house. I feel like a big romantic wound. Also lately I've had transiting Saturn conjunct my Pluto, squaring my Saturn, and transiting Pluto conjunct my ascendent, opposite my Moon-Saturn, forming a T-square with my Pluto. Honestly, if I could just move Cancer to some empty house I don't care about (my 6th maybe! 6th house issues are pretty boring), I would. IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 05:23 PM
Amen to that! Cancer IS like a big old wet blanket. It rules my chart and I have Cancer mercury, sun, and Saturn all in the 12th house. Add to that my opposing Capricorn moon in the 6th and Venus in Virgo in the 2nd and you've got a whole mess of unfun! So much in my chart is contradictory. It's exhausting.My Leo rising, Aries Jupiter, and Neptune in Sag lessens the blow a bit, but my sun is also at 29' (critical). Clearly, I've got tons of favor from the universe! IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3054 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 05:51 PM
God that's so negative you can't look at charts that way. Everyone has their pluses and minuses, good & bad points.If you have as many hard aspects as you say : you have to make the tension work for you instead of against you. It's all energy you just have to manipulate it in the right way depending on what you want. That's the bonus of the hard aspect, you can move the energy around, with trines and sextiles there's no dynamic element, they're stale, there's nothing to work with there. That's how they fall into ruts cos they get too comfortable. IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3054 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 05:54 PM
I can't edit the post as in scroll down on the device I'm using, but I want to take off sextiles from the above post because there is tension in them, unlike the trine.IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3054 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 05:54 PM
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lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 05:56 PM
You're absolutely right, Lonake! I'm just PMSing right now, but normally I'm a lot more optimistic. Maybe the moon transiting in Cancer right now is irking my stoic Capricorn moon! In this case, opposites do NOT attract. More optimism coming soon, I promise!IP: Logged |
Moons Of Jupiter Knowflake Posts: 129 From: Australia Registered: Jun 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 08:11 PM
Wow LunaGoat and Lucia, I always thought I had the worst chart ever, so it's good to be among friends. My sympathies!Doesn't it suck when every interpretation you read is like 'Venus is uncomfortable here', 'Mars is weak here', 'The Moon is odd here'...(*Spontaneously combusts*) Tragicomic really, that everyone wants to get rid of their Cancer placements, this must make us all typical Cancerians, which must feel even worse - haha! I totally relate - for the longest time I hated all of my Cancer influences. Hating being constantly aware of things people around me weren't, hated feeling so much all the time, hated being affected by other people's energies when I entered a room, it's like: will the universe just make me self-absorbed, deaf and blind?!? I don't know how old you are, but I'm 27 and only in the last few years started to stabilize and really enjoy the blessings of the chart. You ARE in control, believe it of not. So there's hope. I still believe Cancer is a complex and difficult sign, especially also because often times people just aren't sure how to deal with you, which doesn't help. But it's a sign that is open to change and transformation and URGES you to please be self aware and use the gifts of emotion, intuition, intellect, etc...to transform yourself and others. As a side note, I do also have Sun squaring Pluto and Saturn in the FIFTH, so you can imagine how FUN the fifth house is for me..... IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 1517 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 09:02 PM
Hey I feel someone is sitting there laughing hysterical pointing down at me..at what they did to my chart.. Damn Universe... Gave me all LEO fire in the 6th mixed with Virgo made me introverted, then put my NN in the 11th.. An introvert thats suppose be become part of a group.. WFH THEN put my damn Venus and 5th cusp in Water.. Im only attracted to water men, but my fire gets annoyed too damn fast.. Puts my SN in the same sign as my Venus in the 4th and 5th... WTF!!! So Im suppose to pull away from my venus? and my 5th?? Uranus and Pluto in the 7th!!! OMG.. Im just cant be pleased in relationships, either if my venus is happy then my NN and Leo isnt...
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Moons Of Jupiter Knowflake Posts: 129 From: Australia Registered: Jun 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 09:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lioness: Gave me all LEO fire in the 6th mixed with Virgo made me introverted, then put my NN in the 11th.. An introvert thats suppose be become part of a group.. WFHTHEN put my damn Venus and 5th cusp in Water.. Im only attracted to water men, but my fire gets annoyed too damn fast.. Puts my SN in the same sign as my Venus in the 4th and 5th... WTF!!! So Im suppose to pull away from my venus? and my 5th?? Uranus and Pluto in the 7th!!! OMG.. Im just cant be pleased in relationships, either if my venus is happy then my NN and Leo isnt...
LOL, Lioness, I am completely with you! In fact, check out what the universe dealt me: Well MOJ - Here's a lovely Moon & SN in Sag, BUT in the 6th - water THAT one down. In fact, don't worry about not worrying, just get to work. We'll put Venus in 3rd house (Gemini), attracted to air men all the time, but you guessed it - irritates the **** out of my water, BUT North Node in Gemini, IN THE 12TH! It's like...here, learn to bubble up and blab, communicate, get with air signs...BUT shut it off, cause you need to withdraw and spend time not talking to anyone and making this area of your life more Piscean. Oh and finally, just for good measure, here's a Mars in the first house conjunct ascendant, oh you're a bad ass mofo, BUT! we're putting both Mars and Ascendant in Cancer, just to make that super easy on you. Aren't we lucky?
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 623 From: Praha Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 09:41 PM
I am leo sun,cappy moon and aries mars. Who's the bad guy nooow!!? IP: Logged |
Moons Of Jupiter Knowflake Posts: 129 From: Australia Registered: Jun 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 09:42 PM
What's wrong with that, Venus? Nothing. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 623 From: Praha Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 09:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by Moons Of Jupiter: What's wrong with that, Venus? Nothing.
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Lioness Knowflake Posts: 1517 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 09:47 PM
Oh yeah Saturn in Gem in H3... heck... just mess me up all around.. OOO plus Merc,neptune and Jupiter in RX! Jupiter in the 10th.. but went and gave it to me in Rx doesnt do damn thing for me.. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1857 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 10:03 PM
quote: Doesn't it suck when every interpretation you read is like 'Venus is uncomfortable here', 'Mars is weak here', 'The Moon is odd here'...(*Spontaneously combusts*)
Actually, reading crappy interpretations of my natal chart isn't the worst--the WORST is that I almost never run into interpretations of my synastry or composite with anyone I like that are at all hopeful. But people never seem to keep in mind that that's because of my natal chart!! For instance: -If I'm with an Aries Sun--and I love male Arieses, I am a Leo Sun-Mercury woman for godsakes--usually his Sun will square some of my 7th house Cancer planets. Either the Moon-Saturn or the Venus. -Anyone's planet that aspects my Moon? has the same aspect to my Saturn...that is the tragedy of Moon-Saturn conjunct Part of what I don't like about the ways many people use astrology is that, as a Leo/Cancer combo, I actually just wish someone would be like, 'You know what? Your chart is beautiful and great just the way it is! The men you love love you! Everything will be okay!' And instead it's all, 'You're doomed and you'll never be happy, and also you are synastrically incompatible with everyone you like.' The only synastry I've ever posted on a site like this one that people had really positive interpretations of was with a guy I was totally not in love with, never had sex with, went on like three dates with and he was overinvolved with his mother. When I've posted synastries/composites here with people I just adore, everyone's like, "This relationship will be really depressing and that person will deceive you." (It's because of generational Neptune stuff.) And the guys haven't ever deceived me, but the relationships haven't lasted either. My Leo heart just wants life to be great and not disappointing. Bleh. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5267 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 10:20 PM
My t-square of Moon in Pisces in 3'11 Pisces in 6th square the opposition of Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R in 9th and Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd, Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius is indeed very challenging. This indicates my spiritual,idealistic,sensitive feelings in daily routine in conflict with the odds of structure,discipline in matters of belief systems,education and expansion,judgment,idealism,inspiration in areas of communication,mental processes. It can also indicate the struggle between materialism,practicalness,realism and spirituality,idealism,and inspiration which suggests that I need to ground my ideals in reality. This fit with my history of problems with communications,mental processes,learning,education,teachers,religion,daily routine, sensory processing as in ultrasensitivity leading to sensory overload and emotional overreations like in emotional meltdowns. I also believe that the t-square fits with my growing up multiethnic and dealing with racism and prejudice in connection to it as well as the confusion in connected to what group do I belong and people trying to fit me into a box that I don't fit. My special education experiences and my multiracial experiences greatly factor into my idealism. The t-square reflects my insecurity that led to anxiety and depression. The t-square is both mutable and cadent, and so there is a highly restless, changeable nature. With the Moon involved, it indicates that I experienced my mother in this way too. It has a corresponding direct midpoint picture of Moon in 3'11 Pisces oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint in 3'28 Virgo. Saturn/Neptune midpoint is the most challenging midpoint from a Cosmobiological perspective because it's associated with chronic illness, medical problems. This fits with my disabled mom having Diabetes. My t-square is evolutionary intensified for transneptunian dwarf planet candidate, Varuna is in 3'01 Gemini R in 9th, conjuncting my Saturn, opposing my Neptune. Varuna is named after the Indian God of the Oceans,former supreme deity. It is aid to be about cosmic order, justice,judgment. There are evolutionary intensified lessons that involve those matters. Hard transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate aspects involving personal,planets and points could be involved in traumatic events. This is true. My mom was shot by a schizophrenic,and I was with her at the time. That led to my having a strong belief in justice that include believing in death penalty too. I don't believe in death penalty now, but I believe that violent criminals need much longer prison sentences. The t-square also indicates an intensity and ultrasensitivity that can be too much at times ......in other words, sensory integration issues. It has a corresponding direct midpoint picture of Moon in 3'11 Pisces oppose Neptune/Varuna midpoint in 2'25 Virgo My Sun in 5'20 quincunx Saturn in 5'08 Gemini is not easy aspect to deal with either. It can restriction,limitation and the erosion of one's confidence,ego,vitality. This reflects the restrictions,limitations that I had with my stepfather who was very strict and controlling. It could also indicate limited,restriction involving my biological father. I never knew him. There is evolutionary intensification involved for my transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino Ixion is in 5'25 Scorpio in 2nd conjuncting my Sun and quincunx my Saturn. This suggests matters involving karma and second chances. ------------------ No..I am not a Virgo. Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3054 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 10:32 PM
Oh I soooo know what you mean about that FULL MOON, I completely flipped out 2 nights ago I mean *completely* :cackle, cackle: (Capricorn Moon here) IP: Logged |
NeptuneIllusion Knowflake Posts: 73 From: Mendocino County, CA Registered: Jun 2009
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posted January 22, 2011 03:43 AM
At least you don't have Saturn and Pluto in Scorpio in the 1st house. :PI appear brooding to the world even though I am actually a very kind, friendly person. Don't listen to the negative interpretations. "Negative" aspects are challenges and are a very good thing, because they create an opportunity for awesome growth. People with mostly free flowing aspects may take their abilities for granted and are never inspired to grow and change. When you have to work harder you tend to appreciate your achievements more. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Knowflake Posts: 104 From: Everywhere :) Registered: Dec 2010
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posted January 22, 2011 05:37 AM
lunagoatlion, I see where you're coming from. When I first saw my chart I was really depressed, too. I couldn't help but feel helpless. Everything I read was "you feel unloved", "you are lonely", "you are too moody" etc. But you know with time, you can work with your chart. Accept it. Find the beautiful and valuable things in it. You guys are so right. Hard aspects have much potential. They FORCE us to change. Whether we want it or not. And it's a good thing. Because otherwise life would be too BORING ! So, no worries guys. We're all in the same boat IP: Logged |
lunagoatlion Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 22, 2011 10:43 AM
@Moons of Jupiter, I can totally relate with you on the Cancer planets. They really makes things bogged down for me. I have sun (at 29'), Mercury and Saturn in Cancer in the 12th house. Not fun! Then my Capricorn moon is in the 6th house. My Leo rising helps me to be a bit more outgoing. I tend to focus on career more than anything and have never felt an overwhelming desire to date around. I've gone incredibly long stretches not being in a relationship (empty 7th house...ugh!). I am 35 and do want to marry someday, but an astrologer recently told me that Venus in Virgo people tend to not marry or divorce more than others because they are too critical (yes, very encouraging). I'm not sure what all of this means, but my placements are:Sun in Cancer -- 28.06.20 degrees -- 12th Moon in Capricorn -- 7.56.46 degrees -- 6th Ascendant in Leo -- 1.07.00 degrees -- 1st Mercury in Cancer -- 15.52.57 degrees -- 12th Venus in Virgo -- 7.30.18 degrees -- 2nd Mars in Taurus -- 14.08.57 -- 10th Jupiter in Aries -- 23.44.51 -- 10th Saturn in Cancer -- 23.15.51 degrees -- 12th Uranus in Libra -- 28.26.52 degrees -- 4th (retrograde) Neptune in Sagittarius -- 9.16.19 degrees -- 5th Pluto in Libra -- 6.48.12 degrees -- 5th True Node -- Scorpio at 29.50.30 -- 5th (retrograde) House Positions: 1. Ascendant in Leo at 1.07.00 2. Leo at 24.11.33 3. Virgo at 21.07.04 4. Imum Coeli - Libra at 21.07.04 5. Scorpio at 27.25.21 6. Capricorn at 0.50.13 Descendant - Aquarius at 1.07.00 8. Aquarius at 24.11.33 9. Pisces at 21.07.04 Medium Coeli at 22.52.21 11. Taurus at 27.25.21 12. Cancer at 0.50.13 IP: Logged | |