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heavenlyhera
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posted January 26, 2011 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heavenlyhera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There has been a lot of debates between my mom and dad about my birth time. I am currently waiting for my mom to have my files released from the hospital but it's taking forever and we still don't know if the time will be in the files. My mom said the nurse at the hospital said she believes it should be available.

My dad swears up and down my birth time was at 10 am and my mom swears it's at 11:45 am. She said she remembers it being before noon. Normally I would be ok with being between two rising signs until I get my papers from the hospital. The only problem is my dads time has me in the last degree of capricorn rising at 29 degrees and my moms has me at 0 degrees Pisces. Which leaves the possibility of Aquarius if they're both wrong. So because obviously they couldn't remember their favourite childs birth time, I am in this dilemma of wanting to know what's really going on with my chart but being denied that. lol I fit each of the qualities of the rising signs, that's the problem too.

My ex used to swear to me that I have a very dreamy deposition to my appearance to me that matches all his Pisces girl friends. And everyone tells me I look really quiet and shy. So I figured maybe my mom was right and kind of just accepted that.

I thought I'd get insight from people who can tell the difference from Pisces/Aqua/Cap rising appearance? Either way I should be getting the medical documents soon with my birth time(Hopefully, it feels like it's taking a lifetime) But for now, it's messing with me. Please help? Any guesses for the rising and reasons for why?
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posted January 26, 2011 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coconutcancermoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aqua.

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kfn327
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posted January 26, 2011 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kfn327     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's the rest of your chart look like?

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posted January 26, 2011 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rubi001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aqua
you look exactly like one of my aqua friends. you could be clones.
do you have libra in there somewhere too?

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kfn327
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posted January 26, 2011 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kfn327     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those eyes make me think if you haven't got any planets in Pisces or Cancer, you've got to have a Pisces Ascendant.

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posted January 26, 2011 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can u post chart? Personal planets' positions,at least??
First thought: aqua asc,if libra sun.
Second thought:u have pointy,sweet chin,nose,overall lovelyness,pale skin/dark hair,pisces asc.
Try with dad's time. Mothers are out of mind while giving birth

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posted January 26, 2011 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought Pisces before I even read your post.

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heavenlyhera
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posted January 26, 2011 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heavenlyhera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chart based on my dads timing.

Chart based on my moms timing.

Sorry about the aspect lines all over the place with the first chart lol. I was looking at some stuff earlier.


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posted January 26, 2011 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heavenlyhera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Additional pictures that might help...


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posted January 26, 2011 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm pretty sure that your dad is right and you have a Cap AC conjunct Venus.

You seem very cardinal in appearance - very direct and confident. Everything about you screams Capricorn to me, because you seem extremely down to earth and trustworthy (but maybe I'm biased - I have Cappy in my chart also lol) Also - You are beautiful in a Venusian way - so it would make sense for Venus to be in the 1st house.

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everyone tells me I look really quiet and shy.

I think these people are mistaking Capricorn/Scorpio energy for Pisces/Cancer - which is their mistake.. but in a sense it's a good thing, because you can be stealth


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In the following pics:

Pic no.2
Pic no. 4 (with the glasses)
And the last two pics..

There is something about you that says “I know who I am – I know what I’m doing – I know where I’m going – I’m aware of my surroundings – I’m street savvy – Nothing gets past me”.

This is very unlike Pisces. I know two girls with Pisces AC and their appearance is very dreamy. They seem completely lost at times. You could be standing right next to them and they wouldn’t know you are there lol

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posted January 26, 2011 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coconutcancermoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You take pretty pictures

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posted January 26, 2011 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heavenlyhera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I'm pretty sure that your dad is right and you have a Cap AC conjunct Venus.

You seem very cardinal in appearance - very direct and confident. Everything about you screams Capricorn to me, because you seem extremely down to earth and trustworthy (but maybe I'm biased - I have Cappy in my chart also lol) Also - You are beautiful in a Venusian way - so it would make sense for Venus to be in the 1st house.

I think these people are mistaking Capricorn/Scorpio energy for Pisces/Cancer - which is their mistake.. but in a sense it's a good thing, because you can be stealth


:edit:

In the following pics:

Pic no.2
Pic no. 4 (with the glasses)
And the last two pics..

There is something about you that says “I know who I am – I know what I’m doing – I know where I’m going – I’m aware of my surroundings – I’m street savvy – Nothing gets past me”.

This is very unlike Pisces. I know two girls with Pisces AC and their appearance is very dreamy. They seem completely lost at times. You could be standing right next to them and they wouldn’t know you are there lol


Thanks Betty. It's funny you say

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There is something about you that says “I know who I am – I know what I’m doing – I know where I’m going – I’m aware of my surroundings – I’m street savvy – Nothing gets past me”.

Because that is probably the one thing I hear daily in my life. People tell me I look very focused and motivated in the things I do. I just thought that might have been because of the mars in scorpio.

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posted January 26, 2011 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fiona     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cap rising will give you a packed 12th house, resulting in a sweet, dreamy appearance. I once knew a Scorpio who had a packed 12th house and she looks so soft and feminine (Pisces) you wouldn't have guessed her sun sign.

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posted January 27, 2011 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Betty, I say Cap. rising. You have the Cap. bone structure.

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posted January 27, 2011 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are so beautiful! I am always amazed by the physical beauty of Lindaland people...

Anyway, I can see things that point to Aqua or Cap, more than Pisces but maybe even Pisces. I can rarely guess someone's ascendent, I usually see the sun sign.

So: another thing the Ascendent rules, other than the physical "mask", is how you START things. It can be hard to separate that out from Sun/Moon/Mars stuff, but I've found it does show and can be isolated in people's behavior.

For example--I'm Leo Sun, Cancer Moon, Capricorn rising. Although the Leo might show that I care about seeming dignified, and the Cancer might show a shyer side than the Leo does...you can still see which part is the Cap ascendent, because it's only how I act AT FIRST, and then it changes and you see my planets more. So, in my first few weeks with a group of people, I watch to see how status works in that situation, who is who, and I get the lay of the land, and I can seem more aloof at the beginning.

The best things to do are:
1) Decide whether you start things in an Aqua, Cap, or Pisces way...before it changes into the expression of your Sun/Moon

2) Look at your chart overall with each birth time and see how planets in the houses fit your personality

3) Check out your synastry with people you are very close to who you have a correct birthtime for. You will have angle-angle and angle-planet conjunctions with the people you feel closest to.

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posted January 27, 2011 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd say your Ascendant is more or less conjunct your Venus in Aquarius.

The chart ruler (Uranus) is in Capricorn 12H cusp with the stellium. Reinforcing your Capricorn traits.

I see a very Photogenic Aquarian with a Hybrid Cappy beauty, Wanting to show her concern for the world in a trendy T-Shirt!

"SAVE THE PLANET"

Your Cappy Planets are in Water(Pisces)

Your Pluto/Mars/MC In the Cappy House(10) in water(Scorpio).

The only fire Planet is the unaspected Sun in the house of Mecury(11H)and it's ruler Jupiter is in Cancer, even MORE WATER! lol

Moon in Mercury in Cancer's water House(4H) ruled by Venus conjunct Ascendant. They aspect each other...

I think with an Aqua Ascendant conj. Venus you present yourself as a free spirit who wishes the freedom to express your deep emotions and your natural confidence and abilities.

You have deep rooted belifes and standards in your INER world,based on an extreme sensivity and emotions being capable of projecting yourself in a very mental creative/original way within a humanitarian Vision.

You will probably seek people strong in fire who belive in you and are always there to support and stimulate your growth emotionally and ideologic.
To help you turn your dreams real...

That's my guess

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posted January 27, 2011 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with filly venus in 1st H... Because of the way u pose
Anyway,venus in 1st H,or asc can smooth both sag sun and cappy asc...
Do u feel MC Pluto?

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posted January 27, 2011 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heavenlyhera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by filly:
I'd say your Ascendant is more or less conjunct your Venus in Aquarius.

The chart ruler (Uranus) is in Capricorn 12H cusp with the stellium. Reinforcing your Capricorn traits.

I see a very Photogenic Aquarian with a Hybrid Cappy beauty, Wanting to show her concern for the world in a trendy T-Shirt!

"SAVE THE PLANET"

Your Cappy Planets are in Water(Pisces)

Your Pluto/Mars/MC In the Cappy House(10) in water(Scorpio).

The only fire Planet is the unaspected Sun in the house of Mecury(11H)and it's ruler Jupiter is in Cancer, even MORE WATER! lol

Moon in Mercury in Cancer's water House(4H) ruled by Venus conjunct Ascendant. They aspect each other...

I think with an Aqua Ascendant conj. Venus you present yourself as a free spirit who wishes the freedom to express your deep emotions and your natural confidence and abilities.

You have deep rooted belifes and standards in your INER world,based on an extreme sensivity and emotions being capable of projecting yourself in a very mental creative/original way within a humanitarian Vision.

You will probably seek people strong in fire who belive in you and are always there to support and stimulate your growth emotionally and ideologic.
To help you turn your dreams real...

That's my guess


This is pretty dead on. Though I am focused and might come off as very serious/quiet sometimes. But I know that inside I am also very very free-spirited and creative. I am a psychology/philosophy major and highly motivated in school because I take such a strong interest in my studies and I will go above and beyond whats required in my course work. I either want to be an Abnormal Psych Professor who does some research into areas of how lucid dreaming works in relation to the human mind. Or I want to be a pediatric psychiatrist (children who've suffered from abuse, trauma, ect) Either way both of those fields would fit me. I am very interested in doing things that impact on global level, which is why I registered for Peace Corps and leave as soon as I finish my undergrad. I also found it really interesting that you mentioned all the water in my chart. Would that have an impact on my emotions? My mom is a Sagittarius but she never gets emotional. But I do. She thinks I am the most emotional person in the world. I sometimes feel like that too. I get really moved by things and I cry a lot. LOL It's horrible, I don't even know why I cry so much but I do. It's when I see people hurt or someone hurting or being cruel to someone/something. I can't stand seeing fighting between people because that really upsets me. And I hate heavy arguments/confrontation. It takes the life and stability out of me and triggers off this really really cruel side of me. It takes a lot, and I mean ALOT, to get me to that point though. So I wonder if the water you mentioned in my chart would influence my emotions that heavily.

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posted January 27, 2011 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heavenlyhera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I agree with filly venus in 1st H... Because of the way u pose
Anyway,venus in 1st H,or asc can smooth both sag sun and cappy asc...
Do u feel MC Pluto?

I feel like ever since I was a child that death and areas of the occult would end up being my occupation. I started studying religions at a super super young age. It really shocked my mom I was more interested in spirituality then my barbie dolls. But now she is so used to it. All her friends ask her how she taught her daughter so much about world religions/mythology and my mom always tells them she didn't teach me anything..I just came out of the womb and immediately began searching for something. lol But I always knew that I would be in some field that dealt with the human mind, death, mysteries, dreams, ect. When I was 15 years old I took my first psychology course. And that's when I fell in love with it. I just knew. I read so much on Freud, Jung, Ernest Becker, ect. I couldn't stop. Mainly Jung appealed to me. I get so so so moved and passionate when I read his works. Sometimes I swear, I feel like I've known him my whole life. I am getting all hyped up now lol. I need to calm down it's 3 am lol. But about pluto and my MC.. If I was ever in a position of power, I'd never abuse it. And I know that for a fact. I am not fame hungry and ready to destroy anyone that gets in my way. I am actually EXTREMELY private. I rarely share my passion/knowledge of psychology/religion/mythology to people because I feel like it's hard for them to understand. But I do like the idea of being my own boss. I just feel like I work better alone and a lot of the time when I am working under people, I find that they'll do things against policies/laws and get away with it because they're in higher positions. I can't stand the idea of a person who is hypocritical/immoral being given the right to hold a position of authority, when I know they're going to abuse it.

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posted January 27, 2011 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the 1st chart with a Scorpion MC and sun in 11th matches well with your choice of major and career plans.

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posted January 27, 2011 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jupitersgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd say aqua rising.

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posted January 27, 2011 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are torn between the elements Earth and Water. Or more...they are blendend like mudd.
Your feelings(water) have substance(earth),and the earth has the moist that is needed for life to grow.

A heavy 12 house is very Karmic,even more in Capricorn and it's ruler Saturn in the same house!
It may feel like a burden such stellium in that configuration...

I may be wrong but that's why I belive your AScendant is right at the Cusp to enter Aquarius.Important points on a Cusp are very powerful.

All that potential has to have an escape besides Capricorn and follow to the next,
AQUARIUS WILL SET YOU FREE!

So much insight and research for what? To carry on researching forever for no purpose?
All that mudd has the possibility to become a beautiful piece of clay that will serve somewhay somehow the humanity!And it can have many forms, it expands through Air coz your moon already processed all the emotional bits into some logical consense.

Your passion in life is clear and as I said I belive you have a strong purpose in life with a great destiny pull.
Your Sun shines bright in Sagittarius, philisophy, religion, beliefs, cultures and in the 11H- groups, people,organisations...
Your Mars/Pluto will take you there!

I belive you love to write and are very good at it!

I have a very scattered chart and my interests are wider and I feel I will never excel at one thing.And I'm still searching for my purpose in life.

So I really admire you for such an early awakening and preserverance!

I'll paste the Sabian degrees for the last degree of Capricorn and 1st of Aquarius and see how it feels like:

CAPRICORN 30
Blue morning glories growing up a tall trellis.
Heightened ability to bring the greater self into action. The towering presence of the one who knows informing each moment. A huge and formidable destiny-dedication to bring all of yourself through into this world. A steadfast, adamant quality of soul. The prenatal resolve to work out all remaining karmas and be free. Intensive focus upon soul evolution. Purpose, will. You have something to grow into throughout your life. Ancient ways, unfallen heights, seeing through. Staggered by what you have taken on. Ripening on the vine. Under massive pressure from within. The path and journey of ascension, with the body honored and the world renewed. Awakening and tapping the source for endeavors, projects, and tasks requires top-level clearance and the truest endowment of inward faculties to see them through and light up the world.

AQUARIUS 1
A two-headed calf.
Taking a good look at things with an eager eye brings you right into the middle of the dilemma of polarities. As you stand there faced with the different sides, you are impartial; neither side pulls you more sharply than the other. Immense opportunity. Huge challenge. You have vital potential for brilliant synthesis, but a subtle temptation to think too long. A schooling in alchemy in every moment--do you find what is ready to emerge or do you think about it? Progressive evolution draws you through all your mistakes into all that can be.

I will even venture the next: Venus degree

AQUARIUS 2
A woman strolling in a garden. She is unaware that she is being watched by elves.
We adopt a split-screen mind when the outward frame of things seems so insistent that we must be reasonable and logical and make complete sense in a quantitative, functional way. But what happens is that the other side of our awareness, the outlawed side, gets very strong in the subconscious and stays alive. We can almost play off of it in emphasizing our skeptical or worldly approach to things. But there is a joke to it. For you are aware of what you are not aware of--you are tuned into the very things you deny. This kind of edge hones the mind and the soul. It teaches invaluable lessons, not the least of which is to make way for the unknown while hugging the known close to you, knowing all the whole how profoundly the unknown beckons.

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posted January 27, 2011 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulful122     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're gorgeous, I think what Betty and Fiona said makes good sense. I have lots of Cap rising females friends and most are really beautiful and photogenic. I can't say the same for my 2 brothers with Cap rising though, they are butt fugly lol.

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posted January 27, 2011 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sag with Capricorn Rising ex is really pretty. I do agree that the packed 12th house would give a Pisces bent, and also I think that ties in well with the major you've selected.

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posted January 27, 2011 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to say pisces ascendant because of the way you take pictures -Yes are definately very charming and beautiful but that doesn't mean you have venus in the 1st house...my sister is a pisces with jupitr conjunct ascendant.


You do not look like someone whose chart ruler would be saturn...

Also we can tell a little more by how you approach life....for exampel do you feel like you are responsible for taking care of your parents when they are old? Do you think about that regularly? Then you might be a cap ascendant...cap ascendants by nature are ismilar to capricorns, except even more so noticeable since they project that energy...

Do you feel compelled to make your family salad when they need fiber? Etc....

do you have a hypercritical inner voice when it comes to all matterS?

OR...rather

do you get along wtih people of different nations, cultures....

do you feel often that your too nice too quick, but still percieve deception easily...etc....tell ujs more about your personality.

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