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blonderiverkat
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posted January 28, 2011 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel as if those who use Astrology to bash certain 'Sun Signs', to take bad lifes experiences, with particular people in their lives, and take it out on every person who was born under that particular sign, to be childish, absurd, and extremely judgmental...
For example, I was married to an abusive Capricorn, and engaged to an abusive Scorpio...so I am going to trash every Capricorn, and Scorpio on the planet? Ummm no...
My daughter happens to be a Cappy, as well as my grandson, and I am Cappy rising! My bf and I each have 3 strong aspects in Scorp, along with a couple of my children!
Hello people...let's use Astrology for it's intended purpose...to grow spiritually...to help us to make our lives, and those of our loved ones, better! To help to resolve Karma, not create more!
I can see why some people look at Astrology in a bad light...Astrology is a tool to gain knowledge and wisdom, I hardly doubt Gods intention was to use it in a negative way...
Just my humble opinion...GRRRR

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posted January 28, 2011 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulful122     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 28, 2011 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree Kat, but it gets pretty complicated when we all start to ask truly deep questions about how we believe astrology works, and what we're trying to use it for.

For me personally, in my life astrology has not been a particularly useful way to "grow spiritually." The things that have helped me grow spiritually are:
-meditation practice
-travel and connecting with people from other cultures
-creative work
-trying to take risks and open my mind and heart (usually not easy!)
-real-life intimate relationships
-deep reading and study
-getting out into nature
-getting to know new people (in person, in real life)

I am very drawn to astrology, but I think if my main focus were spiritual growth, I wouldn't be attracted to it. And i don't think my attraction is particularly helpful or nourishing to me.

Astrology in almost all astrological practices proports to show what people's personalities are like (natal), their dynamics with each other (synastry), and or what is likely to happen (transits, progressions, solar arcs etc). However euphemistic we get about it ("it just shows potential")--we each have to ask ourselves, what are we REALLY doing when we practice astrology?

In so many cases, we are looking to KNOW something about a person's personality or feelings, or about a relationship, or about the future, that we can't (and arguable, shouldn't) know without lived experience: seeing how the relationship unfolds, letting the future surprise us, getting to know a person as a COMPLETELY unique individual instead of stuffing them into a category or a hybrid of categories ("Capricorn" or "Capricorn Moon/Aqua Venus in the 12th house").

Sometimes I think astrology is more a failed shortcut to spiritual growth than a tool for it. A way for people to try to control, manipulate, and order a world that can't or shouldn't be ordered, controlled, or manipulated.

And, even given that, it would be pretty neat if it worked! But most people just seem to use it as a rationalization system, a way of thinking about things that pretties them up or simplifies them.

For example, astrology usually doesn't help anyone get their wish to be in a relationship with the person they love...but it helps them rationalize the rejection ("We're Soul Mates and we're Meant to be together but we are kept apart on this plane right now...even though he is choosing not to be with me, astrology tells me that we have a Deep special Connection")...kind of a big, So What?

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posted January 28, 2011 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That said, the reason I'm still drawn with it is because of the small ways it DOES work and help....we can all KNOW that when a Gemini friend cancels night out with us, it's because she got busy and overwhelmed...when the Cancer does it, it's personal because we hurt her and she's secretly mad at us.

We can stereotype and, at least in my case in my personal life, applying those stereotypes is probably between 80 and 99% accurate. I can use it to predict people's tastes, feelings, and behavior.

The only reason I would ever WANT to do that is spritual little-ness, not spiritual growth, though. At its MOST noble, to make friends or lovers happy, I guess.

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posted January 28, 2011 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand Lucia...and Astrology is just one of the many 'things' that I study spiritually...and when you use it to find your true souls purpose, what our mission is...especially when you start incorporating Draconic...it's an extremely useful tool, and a huge piece of the giant 'puzzle'...
However...meditation, studies of Ancient Egypt, the Quaran, The Bible, The Emerald Tablets, Sumeria, Numerology, Soul Families and Unions, OBE's, etc...are all part of spiritual growth as well...
My thing is that it shouldn't be used in a negative way to 'bash' or 'judge' people based on a particular sun sign, or any aspect in their natal chart...to 'help' yes, to be 'derogatory' no...
In what positive aspect it is used, it definitely a personal choice....
Thank you for your response...

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posted January 28, 2011 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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when the Cancer does it, it's personal because we hurt her and she's secretly mad at us.


Actually, I usually cancel plans because I'm busy and overwhelmed as well. Astrology would be much more positive to study if people were much more flexible with it instead of sticking to rigid stereotypes.

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posted January 28, 2011 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:

Actually, I usually cancel plans because I'm busy and overwhelmed as well. Astrology would be much more positive to study if people were much more flexible with it instead of sticking to rigid stereotypes.

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posted January 28, 2011 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Actually, I usually cancel plans because I'm busy and overwhelmed as well.

Then you have at least one major personal planet in Gemini. The Cancer sun means there's usually an emotional component in your interpersonal decisions, though, of a different flavor than a Gemini Sun's.

Kat, you talk about the pieces of the big picture--but exactly HOW and WHY does astrology help with your spiritual growth? I do find that draconics and looking at the NN helps me find inspiring new life-practices to try.

But astrology is fundamentally a taxonomic system, a system of categorization.

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posted January 28, 2011 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucia...because you can see soul contracts there, and find out what your souls purpose is, and why you are here...we chose to incarnate on this planet, at this time, for a reason...wouldn't finding out that reason help you to fulfill your souls purpose? Help to trigger memories of past-lives? Help lucid dreams, OBE's and visions to make more sense? Help with the rise of kundalini, and the opening of your pineal gland?

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posted January 28, 2011 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a couple of links to explain from others perspectives...
http://wri.leaderu.com/pages/montenegro.html
http://www.everystudent.com/wires/marcia.html

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posted January 28, 2011 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The following that you posted earlier are all apart of it as well Lucia...but that's just the tip of the iceberg...but what does deep reading and studying entail? Doesn't Astrology, Numerology, Lexigramming, Tarot Reading all involve 'deep studying' as well?


meditation practice
-travel and connecting with people from other cultures
-creative work
-trying to take risks and open my mind and heart (usually not easy!)
-real-life intimate relationships
-deep reading and study
-getting out into nature
-getting to know new people (in person, in real life)

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posted January 28, 2011 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The kind of deep reading and study that I've found most rewarding is in literature, history, math, the sciences, the social sciences, history, philosophy.

Although I've read fairly widely in astrology, mythology, the occult, and comparative religions--and I do find it fascinating and potentially expansive to try to understand other's belief systems--almost everything I've read about astrology falls into the description I posted above ["Astrology in almost all astrological practices proports to show what people's personalities are like (natal), their dynamics with each other (synastry), and or what is likely to happen (transits, progressions, solar arcs etc). However euphemistic we get about it (it just shows potential)...]

It is almost always presented as a taxonomic system, a system of classification...by definition, supportive of generalizationms, i.e. stereotypes. Otherwise, it wouldn't be applicable at all.

If we had no concept of what a "Leo Sun" or a "Moon in the Third house" represented, vis a vis transits, synastric dynamics, or natal personality traits, then there wouldn't be anything astrologically.

So the deeper question is: why would we need or want that kind of classification system?

The more I think about this issue, the more I feel like practicing astrology--and any other practices that imagine that some outside force can predict human personality or destiny--encourages stereotyped and fatalistic thinking.

How, specifically, does it encourage spiritual growth?

How does looking at the draconic encourage spiritual growth, as one example? Say I'm a Leo Sun and my draco Sun is in Sag--is it then "spiritual growth" for me to foster "Sagittarius" traits? That would require a conception of what "Leo" represents and what "Sagittarius" represents.

If you're not looking at a natal and saying: "This person is likely to have these traits, dynamics, interests, life issues"...then what exactly ARE you doing astrologically?

It is by design a system of sorting and labelling the personality traits of human beings based on the positions of (a very very limited number of) heavenly bodies in a (quite outdated, at least in most Western practices) map of an (astronomically incomplete) solar system. Astrology using a natal chart is by design a system of stereotype. It's precisely saying: "That planet in that sign in that house confers these traits."

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posted January 28, 2011 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry Lucia...but you and I are definitely not on the same page...even your comment about Twin Flames shows me that...you do your thing, and I will do mine...lol

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posted January 28, 2011 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I think the soul is infinite, beautiful, and expansive, and at the soul level all beings are one, equally connected.

I find the idea that "souls" can be split in two to be kind of medieval.

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posted January 29, 2011 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree with Lucia 100%.

Someone bashed BRK's sign and she's taking it personal. Although she may not have been the offending member of her sign.

Yep, astrology is about generalizations.

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posted January 29, 2011 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by blonderiverkat:
I feel as if those who use Astrology to bash certain 'Sun Signs', to take bad lifes experiences, with particular people in their lives, and take it out on every person who was born under that particular sign, to be childish, absurd, and extremely judgmental...
For example, I was married to an abusive Capricorn, and engaged to an abusive Scorpio...so I am going to trash every Capricorn, and Scorpio on the planet? Ummm no...
My daughter happens to be a Cappy, as well as my grandson, and I am Cappy rising! My bf and I each have 3 strong aspects in Scorp, along with a couple of my children!
Hello people...let's use Astrology for it's intended purpose...to grow spiritually...to help us to make our lives, and those of our loved ones, better! To help to resolve Karma, not create more!
I can see why some people look at Astrology in a bad light...Astrology is a tool to gain knowledge and wisdom, I hardly doubt Gods intention was to use it in a negative way...
Just my humble opinion...GRRRR

Kat



I am in agreement with you.

I was skeptic of Astrology until I found out about moonsigns and realized Astrology is more than just sunsigns.


I did a post in regards to how I view Astrology:


I believe Astrology is a science in that it is based on the sciences of not only Astronomy but Mathematics. Without astronomers discovering heavenly bodies in our solar system, we wouldn't be using them in Astrology. Without mathematics, astrological charts wouldn't be able to be calculated. Without mathematics, astronomers wouldn't be able to find out the positions of the heavenly bodies as they rely on mathematical calculations/formulas. Of course, aspects,midpoints,and planetary pictures are based on geometry which is a form of mathematics.

The intepretation of the chart is more of an art and language. There are many ways to interpret a chart. There are many ways to interpret an aspect. Heavenly bodies are assigned certain traits,characteristics,and rulerships which provide numerous variations of interpreting aspects. If you look in a Rex E. Bill's rulership book, rulerships of a planet covers over 5 pages. It's the interpretation of the chart that critics of astrology might even argue could be so general that it can apply to anybody. The Barnum/Forer Effect.


I believe that Astrology can be form of psychology as it helps study personality and human behavior. In that way, I believe that Astrology can be a social science. I wouldn't use it as form of psychiatry to help diagnosed people as having psychiatric disorders. I don't see it as form of neurology to understand how the brain works. Of course, psychiatric disorders and neurodivergence greatly overlap in symptoms/traits, and so it's very difficult to distinguish those things from looking at a chart. Even the "afflicted" Neptune aspects don't necessarily mean a psychiatric disorder. Those aspects are common in people that are misdiagnosed including having misdiagnoses of psychiatric disorders. Besides, psychiatry doesn't even recognize the metaphysical. Even people that are actual mystics,psychics can be viewed as psychotics,schizophrenics and get diagnosed as such.

I believe that Astrology can be a form of religion. A lot of astrologers cling onto to ideas that are contrary to what scientists say. There is so much disagreement about what even works in Astrology. Some types of Astrology is based on religion. Evolutionary Astrology is based on the beliefs of reincarnation,pastlives,and karma. The stuff that I have read from Jeffrey Wolf Green and Maurice Fernandez seems even a bit dogmatic. Vedic Astrology is based on religions the scriptures called the Vedas. There are astrological systems that even use hypothetical planets that astronomers haven't even discovered yet and aren't likely to exist, but they believe that it works. Some people have written books about Transpluto which is planet based on the mistakes of astronomers and has now been proven not to exist. Of course, many people have a belief of Astrology being a delusion because they believe that Astrology is a pseudoscience that is based on outdated "knowledge" about our solar system. Old systems based on old knowledge tends to be replaced by new systems based on new knowledge. Even now, majority of Astrologers are using a system that is not updated and based on the new discoveries of astronomers. Since 1992, astronomers have been discovering other transneptunian objects, but a vast majority of astrologers showed little interest in them. Even after the turn of the 21st century, more transneptunian objects were discovered including big ones, astronomers still weren't interested in. Even after 2006, there are professional astrologers that didn't even know about Eris
which made great news as an object larger than Pluto and got Pluto demoted as dwarf planet. Astrologers can be hypocritical, saying that Astronomers' findings don't change their system. Well...Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were classed as planets for 40 years. Well.....most astrologers don't include those objects as planets in their solar system. Astronomers discovered Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto, and vast majority of Western astrologers use those objects in their systems. Therefore, astrologers have adapted to the discoveries of astronomers. It's just that they have been selective. It's like them choosing what's convenient for them to use and doesn't complicate their system. Western Astrologers are not much different from Vedic Astrologers in that way.

I believe it's a combination of physical science, social science,philosophy,religion, art,and language.

I don't believe that it's just a science.


There are forms of Astrology that I haven't seem much in this forum. Those are Political Astrology and Sociological Astrology.

The latter tends to be very controversial, especially if you discuss about race relations matters. As a person who is part African American, I wonder if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s t-square of Moon in Pisces in 12th square the opposition of Mars in Gemini in 3rd and Saturn in Sagittarius in 9th was about his emotional idealism in the face of fighting against the racist segregation laws as well as as the anger that he probably felt from being restricted in society because of his race. I wonder if the American Slavery's Eris in 11'14 Gemini (the same as my Midheaven) with the Sabian Symbol: The Negro Girl Fights for Independence in the City in strong aspect to a person's chart has to do with not only the pastlife karma of African American slavery but also be connected to the present African American community. Is it any coincidence that I have an Africano-Africa-Chiron-Eris conjunction that sextiles my Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini? What if my t-square of Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd is not only about my being a neurodivergent (very rightbrained) that has problems neurotypical society, but also a multiracial person and part black that has experiences with racism and yet is very emotionally idealistic but is pessimistic about race relations. What if the Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition is more about my emotional conflict of identifying myself as Black (Saturn according to Rex E Bill's rulership book) or identifying myself as Mulatto (Neptune according to Rex E Bill's rulership book)? It's no coincidence that I have Moon conjunct the asteroid, White within half a degree orb,and it's involved in my t-square, reflecting the emotional conflicts of being part white from having a white mother and the challenges of embracing both my white heritage as people try to fit me into a racial box in the name of the "one drop rule".

Wouldn't a Sun trine Jupiter-Uranus manifest differently for a white person and a black person if born in 1840 during the slavery days. The white person born with that aspect might becomes an entrepreneur, rich,famous,and travel to another country. What about the black person? He has no freedom to go any where. Maybe he travels far to a different state because he is being sold and then later on gets a job, driving a wagon which leads him to travel. Maybe he is lucky in that he becomes a supervisor of his fellow slaves and gets to eat his Master's food. Maybe later, he runs away to actual freedom.


In the early 1960's, wouldn't a black person with Sun in Aquarius be rebellious any way without the Sun in Aquarius, fed up with the laws of Jim Crow segregation laws?
Rosa Parks who got arrested for refusing to give her seat to a white man had Sun in Aquarius. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had Mercury in Aquarius, and he did spoke out against segregation. I have Mars in Aquarius. Would my activism be mistaken for "angry black man" syndrome?

Some astrologers focus on retrograde Saturn as having to do with father being absent. This is true for me. I never knew my African American father. I am no different many others that are part African American that had African American fathers that are out of the picture. It's a common problem in American society.


Would it be racist for me to say that my being part African American has factored into my struggling to accept a lot of New Age views. I don't think so. When I go to New Age functions, I hardly see any black people.

The 1960's was time of the Hippy Movement , but it was also a time when blacks were fighting for civil rights.


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I posted this 3 years ago.
It is also about my changing my astrological approaches and viewpoints:


I have started off as a psychological astrologer influenced by the work of Glenn Perry,Liz Greene,Steven Forrest.
As a psychological astrologer,I have been very accurate and helped people. I feel that I was in compassionate in how I did Astrology...especially when I didn't charge for readings...and mostly wanted to do Astrology readings for people who had significant problems and painful pasts. Maybe because those are things that I experienced to. Therefore I was operating as an astrologer as more of a wounded healer with my Chiron sextile Midheaven with 42 minutes of arc and sextile North Node with 3 minutes of arc.

Then I leaned more towards transformational astrology by Stephen Arroyo,and even took a transformation class by Aspire Foundation which focuses on spiritual improvement,transformation.

I got involved with Magi Astrology which focused mainly on planetary geometry including declinations and a strong emphasis on Chiron. I lost interest in it, but I kept with strong focus on planetary geometry and declinations. I found Magi Astrology very useful for things like presidential elections when focusing on stuff like Cinderella transits.

Through an irc friend of mine and Magi Astrology, I got very interested in midpoints. Reinhold Ebertin's Cosmobiology fascinated me. It got me into using the 8th harmonic aspects,the semisquare and sesquiquadrate,midpoint pictures,90 degree dials. It's Cosmobiology which I prefer when looking at Medical Astrology. Ebertin was a physician,and so he knows a lot about Medical,Health stuff. Eleanora Kimmell wrote a book on COSMOBIOLOGY FOR THE 21ST CENTURY,and that gotten me more into Cosmobiology. I also started looking into Uranian Astrology which is what Cosmobiology is an offshoot of, but I couldn't really get into the use of hypothetical planets. I felt more comfortable with only using objects that astronomers discovered. Noel Tyl's Astrology uses midpoints extensively too.

I studied Vedic Astrology for a year. I feel that it is very insightful,accurate system but fatalistic in some respects. A vedic astrologer who did readings on irc got me interested in it. I actually liked the karmic approach to Astrology charts. However,I couldn't fathom with the Indian culture.....especially with the way Dalits(Untouchables) are treated in India. I also didn't believe that Vedic Astrology is compatible with Western Culture....especially with things like interracial relationships,international relationships.

Karmic approach to Astrology got me interested in Evolutionary Astrology by Jeffrey Wolf Green. I am a regular at Maurice Fernandez's Evolutionary Astrology forum. I learned about the insights that the planetary nodes can bring from that system. I even got Green's Planetary Node workshop DVD,and it helped me understand planetary nodes and the collective karmic significance of the nodes of Jupiter and beyond. I got more interested in the nodes when reading Zipporah Dobyns book.

Philip Sedgwick got me very interested in the Astronomy of Astrology as well as galactic points like black holes,quasars, pulsars,and extra solar planets. I even have strong Black Hole,quasar,pulsar,extrasolar planet emphasis. My street address was Pulsar Circle when I was a teenager....I have many pulsars in alignment with my IC. hahahahaha


Mainly, I still approach Astrology with a psychological approach leaning towards Evolutionary. My curiosities,hobbies,and research involves minor planets(asteroids,centaurs,kuiper belt objects),astronomical abstract points like nodes,perigree/apogee,perihelion/aphelion
Philip Sedgwick,Zane Stein,Roy MacKinnon,Mark Andrew Holmes,Demetra George,Douglas Bloch are the astrologers that really like when it comes to those things.

Since watching videos and reading articles by Astrology skeptics, I have been reconsidering things about Astrology. I have been think that the possibility of the Forer Effect maybe why some think that astrological methods could be accurate. I also thought about maybe there is heavenly body geometry that help me relate to my tropical zodiac sign and house placements. I have been thinking about discontinuing use of signs,houses. Astronomer/Astrologer,Johannes Kepler came up with the minor aspects,and he didn't believe in the use of signs nor houses in Astrology. He referred to the zodiac signs as Arabic Sorcery. He also debated if there were 12 houses or not. He devised the quintile and biquintile which is used by some astrologers. He devised the sesquiquadrate which is regularly used by Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers. I think that I am thinking like him. Reinhold Ebertin didn't believe in the use of houses either,and his Cosmobiology seems to fit with my beliefs and views. Theodor Landscheidt's Astrology including planetary nodes (he pioneered) and golden ratio aspects seems right up my alley,and they seem to make really good sense.


I believe that Astrology is both a science and art.

As a Dyslexic,Dyspraxic,ADHDer, I am very rightbrained in my thinking(Mercury parallel Neptune - '33,Mercury biquintile Eris - '06,Mercury in golden ratio aspect to kuiper object,Pluto - '00,Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint - '14,Mars square Mercury/Neptune midpoint - '54,Mercury square kuiper belt object,Rhadamanthus - '47,Mercury square kuiper belt object,FY9 - 2'01). Studying Astrology helped me be more analytical,detailed,and precise. It helped me tone down my nonlinear thought processes. I am more of a psychonalytical when it comes to being analytical. I feel that my intuition is useful when it comes to delineating a chart....no matter what system

My other interests are fixed stars......I prefer Fixed Star paran system by Bernadette Brady,and I have her book on Fixed Stars as well as her program,Starlight. Because of Brady,I don't believe in projecting stars onto the ecliptic....especially when many stars are off the ecliptic.

I was an Astrology Skeptic until the age of almost 28 years old. I believed that Astrology was B.S. because I didn't believe in sunsign Astrology based on things like my mom is a Gemini and I am a Scorpio,but we are very similar in personalities. After I learned about moonsigns, I had an accurate hunch of my mom having Moon in Scorpio. Her Moon squares Pluto. She also has Sun sextile/parallel Pluto and very Plutonian through the declinations and midpoint configurations. I had believed in genetics influenced personality,and that had nothing do with Astrology. Everything changed after my grandfather's death. That opened the door for me to get into Astrology.

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I agree with the OP. I was engaged to a psycho Taurus man and my husband was once married to an equally psycho Taurus woman. However, I do not think that all Taurus people are psychos. I believe that all signs can be unevolved and therefore cause major issues for the person that they are with.

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Glaucus, do you not think the Sun Sign shows the person's central/core personality?

I can almost never guess someone's ascendent from seeing/talking to them, but I can guess Sun signs with uncanny accuracy if I've been around the person in person. I think there's a lot to it. Even in charts where the Sun's role is relatively minor. I was at a small party a couple of weeks ago and I accurately guessed everyone's Sun...there was one person (a Cap)where I had to ask him a couple of questions first. It freaks people out.

I think the accuracy of Sun signs is underrated around here--ironic, on a Linda Goodman site! I mean, obviously I will look at an overall chart, and I don't think predictive Sun Sign horoscopes thrown with Sun-as-ascendent are ever accurate...but I think the Sun is a powerful "planet" astrologically, and (unlike with some of the astronomical bodies that haven't been considered in Western astrology until recently), we've had centuries to empirically observe the traits, to hang out with chatty Geminis and dreamy Pisces and Leos who can't help but be flattered. I don't know why it's accurate, but I do know that (in my own culture) I can guess people's Suns based on how they look and behave.

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posted January 29, 2011 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I agree with the OP. I was engaged to a psycho Taurus man and my husband was once married to an equally psycho Taurus woman. However, I do not think that all Taurus people are psychos. I believe that all signs can be unevolved and therefore cause major issues for the person that they are with.


That's why astrologers look beyond the sunsigns and look at other planets,points in the chart as well as aspects.


Nobody would understand me if I was judged me based on my sunsign.
Even with the mainstream astrology system, I would not be fully understood.

21st Century astrological system that includes the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates and other coordinates (Declination,Right Ascension) besides ecliptical longitude along with nodes of other objects would help others see the whole complete big picture of me.


Cosmobiology is a highly geometrical-based astrology system that uses no houses and puts very little emphasis on zodiac signs. Zodiac signs are mainly used as point of reference in Cosmobiology.


The founder of Cosmobiology, Reinhold Ebertin believed in the following:


Four important properties of aspects which are taken into consideration in cosmobiology are:

The combination of the unique characteristic of each planet involved.

The role in a particular aspect plays in relation to the entire chart as a unit.

How the individual chooses to react in given circumstances (positively or negatively).

Environmental conditions

Ebertin said that the degree of hard difficulty presented by hard aspects is determined by the definitions of the planets involved. He said that the means by which the influences are manifested depends upon several factors, including the environment, genetic makeup, sociological-political conditions and the reaction of the individual in a positive or negative matter.


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posted January 29, 2011 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lucia23:
Glaucus, do you not think the Sun Sign shows the person's central/core personality?

I can almost never guess someone's ascendent from seeing/talking to them, but I can guess Sun signs with uncanny accuracy if I've been around the person in person. I think there's a lot to it. Even in charts where the Sun's role is relatively minor. I was at a small party a couple of weeks ago and I accurately guessed everyone's Sun...there was one person (a Cap)where I had to ask him a couple of questions first. It freaks people out.

I think the accuracy of Sun signs is underrated around here--ironic, on a Linda Goodman site! I mean, obviously I will look at an overall chart, and I don't think predictive Sun Sign horoscopes thrown with Sun-as-ascendent are ever accurate...but I think the Sun is a powerful "planet" astrologically, and (unlike with some of the astronomical bodies that haven't been considered in Western astrology until recently), we've had centuries to empirically observe the traits, to hang out with chatty Geminis and dreamy Pisces and Leos who can't help but be flattered. I don't know why it's accurate, but I do know that (in my own culture) I can guess people's Suns based on how they look and behave.


No..I don't think the Sun Sign shows the person's central/core personality. That's just my view though.

Also..not everybody in this forum believes in the use of tropical zodiac.

There are even some people here that only use the Sidereal Zodiac.

I know an Australian Astrologer that hasn't used zodiac signs nor houses in over 10 years. His astrological system is heavily based on the geometry in Astrology and fixed stars.


I just think sunsign placement is only a small piece. I believe that the aspects to the Sun have to be taken into account. Of course, I believe the whole entire chart has to be taken into account.

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posted January 29, 2011 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then, what does the Sun indicate in a Western chart? How do you read it when you're reading the chart?

Or do you discount Tropical natals entirely?

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posted January 29, 2011 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lucia23:
Then, what does the Sun indicate in a Western chart? How do you read it when you're reading the chart?

Or do you discount Tropical natals entirely?


ego,self expression,and vitality as well as masculine energy/yang and the important males in the person's life including especially the father

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posted January 29, 2011 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Sun is what you're here to develop in order to shine, they're not traits that are inborn. They have to be developed to their full potential. It takes work.
The Moon's traits are inborn (what happened while you were in the womb, what your mother was feeling and going through, her stress levels, if you were wanted or if you made her depressed, etc.). The ASC traits are learned via family labels/roles that we are forced to play in order to adapt to our environment/seek refuge. The ASC becomes the filter for everything else in the chart, nothing passes through to the outer expression without a touch of that energy.

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posted January 29, 2011 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, Lonake, I think of Sun traits as inborn...that's also how they're portrayed/framed in Linda Goodman's Sun Signs...she has a section on the child of each sign.

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