posted January 31, 2011 10:04 AM            

There's a social group I go to at the moment where I've been trying to contribute in meaningful ways and invite people to stuff because I think they'll have a good time, but where certain people seem to be blocking my offers to contribute. On the other hand, at the end of the day, I think that all I can do is make an offer, and if they don't wanna go for it, it's just too bad. Their loss!!

On the other hand - I get almost fed up with being (not trying, actually BEING) so nice all the time, and I feel it doesn't get me anywhere. I try not to give a rat's a55 much of the time, but some days it just gets to me.

What do you guys think?

Update 8/2/11: BTW, I was told by someone a while ago that my career might not start picking up until 2014-2017. I can't wait that long. I am sick of "waiting for something to happen", it has gone on too long. It is not as if I have not been proactive either. I have worked very hard for little or no reward and recently decided that I would not do any more work in one particular sphere unless I got PAID for it. Put it this way, it actually MAKES NO DIFFERENCE whether I actually do anything or not, because the reaction will be the same: NOTHING.

The number of career avenues I have worked hard at and had to abandon because I wasn't offered any opportunities - it's happened with about 3 different career choices now, and twice with one particular career choice. I do whatever I can to keep the show on the road but it seems I'm trapped doing sales for the rest of my life, and I loathe, loathe, loathe, loathe, loathe it. It's not like I am especially materialistic, either, I just want a fulfilling career.

posted January 31, 2011 10:58 AM            

sorry to not be of much help with your chart. the only thing I see is that with your rising sing virgo you may be very critical of others. and you tend to attract people who may be victims of life (piscis in your 7th)or confusing people, or artist. or... you may project on them quality of yours you dont want to accept about yourself.

Aries on the other hand tend to be self-centered but your moon in piscis square neptune is exactly the opposite. You may come from an instinctual response to help others when in need and also, you absorve a lot of the energies of people. so it drains you.So you may feel as there is too much weight, but I may be your sensitivity rather than a real deman from the outside world.

I suspect there is a part of you who wants to be BOLD, COURAGEOUS, SELFISH and it is where your sun is indicating you should go. Instead, you have remained a lot in the piscis side of your life. (this is my assumption)

On the other hand, I see your pluto in 1st house oppose mercury, which makes you very suspicious of peoples intentions and perceive life as kind of battlefield. I can see our sence of beauty and artistic inclination with mercury conjunct venus. I also think that your sun-mars conjunction in aries reinforce your arian characteristics, so you may not like it as a virgo rising, but you are far more self-centered you may wish to admit.

I have seen some of your posts and while you say that you like to contribute, so far I have not seen any contribution from you in this forum. I see how you claim that people use you and how people want things for you, but think for a moment how much contribution you have done in this forum and you will have a mirror on how you may be expressing yourself outside this forum.

You mention about being positive, and I just see you complaining about how horrible people are with you. Not that I dont believe you, but remember that whatever we face in real life has to do with us. even people in their more horrible face are people we are attracting for a reason. the sooner we connect with the reason inside us, the less we need to project ourselves in others.

I would invite you to be more accepting of the dark side of you,to come to terms with them. You will "magically" start seeing things changing, because you wont need to attract the people you are attracting now to teach you what you are already learning.

if there is something in particular I would recomment to a person with strong pluto is to read "astrology of fate" by Liz greene. I just finishing reading that book and I found it very amazing and helpful.

I hope that my post even if too BLUNT helps you. I do not mean to annoy you or bother you, but sometimes I dont need to speak up. I might be totally wrong, but this is a sincere contribution.

all my best,

posted January 31, 2011 11:47 AM            

I come on the forum specifically (and generally ONLY) when I have a problem that needs sorting out. Which is as it should be, wouldn't you agree? This is probably why I seem negative, but I am NOT a negative person and most people would not see me as such.

Trust me, I have been in touch with the dark side of me and "accepted it", I have done it ALL. I have been down the rabbit hole and back again. I don't particularly want to go there beause my aim is to move forwards, not backwards. That's one reason why I have got rid of certain people in my life that were not healthy.

My challenge now is to function as a independent unit that isn't affected by outside influences. You're right about my having spent most of my life in the Pisces zone. Right now I am trying to let my inner sun shine and express myself in a way that shows who I really am, but it seems others have a problem with that positivity.

Don't have a sun-mars cj, BUT I do have a Saturn-Mars cj - is that what you are seeing? In 10th. Yes I do feel life is a battlefield although I try my best to make it not so. But when people are nasty or ignoring I am not surprised any more, because that is just people for you. You might say to this "well that just reinforces my statement, if you think so little of people anyway..." Believe me, if you knew the evolution I have gone through to even get this far, you would be amazed.

I am basically a good-hearted girl who likes to go out and have fun and enjoy myself. It seems that many of the people in couples are jealous of this and envy the fact that I am able to have such a good time and don't have to worry about acting a certain way, or not - meaning that THEY are fake half the time (unless they're not with their partners, when we see the real "them" as opposed to "couple" come out).

People also feel threatened because I am not like "them" and can do without all the props they seem to need to function as human beings, and without which they would shrivel. People have been jealous of me like this ever since I was a small child. I don't know whether they see something in my eyes perhaps?

posted January 31, 2011 12:26 PM            

When I was young, I use to beat out the boys at the Opera house for the boy solo. Cause I did it better.haha. Yeah some girls...are just jealous. I mean everyone gets jealous but its dumb when people try to victimize/be out to get the person who has what they want. But behind every sucsessfull person, there's a pack of haters. Yeah I realte to people feeling thetend cause your not like them. But luckily I have people that love me because of that too.

posted January 31, 2011 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Lyra:
Well, the reason I don't contribute a lot to this forum is because I'm not on the internet a great deal - I am out and about going out and meeting people in real life!! I am very, very busy a lot of the time with all kinds of things, and the internet is just one of those many things. So that's why.

I come on the forum specifically (and generally ONLY) when I have a problem that needs sorting out. Which is as it should be, wouldn't you agree? This is probably why I seem negative, but I am NOT a negative person and most people would not see me as such.

Trust me, I have been in touch with the dark side of me and "accepted it", I have done it ALL. I have been down the rabbit hole and back again. I don't particularly want to go there beause my aim is to move forwards, not backwards. That's one reason why I have got rid of certain people in my life that were not healthy.

My challenge now is to function as a independent unit that isn't affected by outside influences. You're right about my having spent most of my life in the Pisces zone. Right now I am trying to let my inner sun shine and express myself in a way that shows who I really am, but it seems others have a problem with that positivity.

Don't have a sun-mars cj, BUT I do have a Saturn-Mars cj - is that what you are seeing? In 10th. Yes I do feel life is a battlefield although I try my best to make it not so. But when people are nasty or ignoring I am not surprised any more, because that is just people for you. You might say to this "well that just reinforces my statement, if you think so little of people anyway..." Believe me, if you knew the evolution I have gone through to even get this far, you would be amazed.

I am basically a good-hearted girl who likes to go out and have fun and enjoy myself. It seems that many of the people in couples are jealous of this and envy the fact that I am able to have such a good time and don't have to worry about acting a certain way, or not - meaning that THEY are fake half the time (unless they're not with their partners, when we see the real "them" as opposed to "couple" come out).

People also feel threatened because I am not like "them" and can do without all the props they seem to need to function as human beings, and without which they would shrivel. People have been jealous of me like this ever since I was a small child. I don't know whether they see something in my eyes perhaps?

I am just trying to work a few things out in my mind here!!!

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Lyra, I need to see again your chart. I thought I saw a conjunction sun-mars, but if it is saturn-mars that may make difficult for you to take action? normally whatever saturn touch makes the energy of the planet less potent and inmature. you may find it difficult to assert yourself as there were fear people would resist you or your initiatives. And you tend to face a lot of resistance from other.

I wont be on internet tomorrow, but on wednesday I will be paying more attention to your chart and will try to give you more details.

agree with previous person who post. Hang in there. persistence is one of your strenght.

Best

Nordicsoul

posted January 31, 2011 08:47 PM            

Especially jealous people...you can't be nice to them

posted February 01, 2011 12:33 AM            

Serve them exactly what they served you.
That's the best way to **** someone off.

posted February 01, 2011 12:53 AM            

I don't know why this opposition has so much trouble with others being jealous but it does. Can you please repost your chart?

posted February 01, 2011 11:45 AM            

Where's Saturn in your chart? How is your MC/10th house?

edit: I see you have Saturn/Mars in your 10th, which is kind of what I expected lol. Saturn in the 10th gives you slow recognition. You'll get it eventually, it's just not instant. You have to really really work for it.

posted February 01, 2011 02:59 PM            

"If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse

"Few people can be happy unless they hate some other person, nation, or creed." -Bertrand Russel

"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated." -George Bernard Shaw

"Hatred is self-punishment." -Hosea Ballou

k.. I'm done.

posted February 03, 2011 07:26 PM            

My chart BTW is a whirligig of Mutable signs, + big oppositions between Sun & Uranus, and between Pisces planets and my Virgo Ascendant. I found it quite difficult to be "accepted" amongst my peers from a very young age, as they were again jealous of me and was always viewed as an outsider. I accepted this to some degree, at a fairly young age, and never sought to be part of the crowd just for the sake of it. I am viewed as "mad" and an "oddball" and don't really have a problem with that, as the way in which I analyze and express things is usually fairly lucid.
I try to avoid dealing with women where possible and this seems to be working - okay, I know you're not all like that - but I just don't seem to get on with them. I don't get on with my own mother because she is pathologically jealous of me. I am slim, blonde and very feminine and don't need to try too hard to look good (all that Pisces perhaps), and it seems like my femininity is a threat to many women, and the knives come out. It doesn't really help that I love being around men either!
On the other hand some men can be threatened as well! If I find out they were slightly inaccurate on a point I will argue it, in a pleasant/ cheeky way, not a nasty way, but they can't stand it!! It's like they perceive it to be a threat to their ego. I find this is a bit of a barrier to communication as I love debate and I wish they could engage in it in a clever way. Some do, with cheeky banter, and I get off on that.
I am looking more to my father for guidance and building a good relationship with him and I wonder whether this is a feature of Pluto in Capricorn?
Also going through a Pluto square, the midpoint of which I have just passed.

Would be grateful if any of you guys could shed any light. Are the mid to late 30s traditionally rather a fallow era?

posted February 04, 2011 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Lyra:
I have the following aspects, and wonder if anyone could shed some light. I'm wondering if this is an aspect/ transit problem.

Sun in 8th (Aries)
Sun Opp Uranus
Sun Sxt Saturn
Sun Sxt Mars
Merc in 8th (Aries)
Merc Opp Pluto
Merc Tr Neptune
Merc Sxt MC
Venus in 6th (Pisces)
Moon in 6th (Pisces)
Moon CJ Venus
Venus CJ Jupe
Venus Opp Asc
Venus Sq Midh
Venus Sq Nept
Jupe in 6th (Pisces)
Moon CJ Jupe
Venus CJ Jupe
Jupe Opp Asc
Jupe Sq MC
Jupe SQ Nept
Jupe Tr Saturn
Nept in 3rd (Sadge)
Nept Opp MC
Moon Sq Nept
Nept Sq Asc
Merc Tr Nept
Nept Sxt Pluto
Uranus in 2nd (Libra)
Mars Tr Uranus
Saturn Tr Uranus
Pluto in 1st (Libra)
Mars Sq Pluto
Saturn Sq Pluto
Pluto Tr MC (Gem)
Neptune Sxt Pluto
Mars in 10th (Gem)
Mars CJ Saturn
Saturn in 10th (Gem)

My chart BTW is a whirligig of Mutable signs, + big oppositions between Sun & Uranus, and between Pisces planets and my Virgo Ascendant. I found it quite difficult to be "accepted" amongst my peers from a very young age, as they were again jealous of me and was always viewed as an outsider. I accepted this to some degree, at a fairly young age, and never sought to be part of the crowd just for the sake of it. I am viewed as "mad" and an "oddball" and don't really have a problem with that, as the way in which I analyze and express things is usually fairly lucid.
I try to avoid dealing with women where possible and this seems to be working - okay, I know you're not all like that - but I just don't seem to get on with them. I don't get on with my own mother because she is pathologically jealous of me. I am slim, blonde and very feminine and don't need to try too hard to look good (all that Pisces perhaps), and it seems like my femininity is a threat to many women, and the knives come out. It doesn't really help that I love being around men either!
On the other hand some men can be threatened as well! If I find out they were slightly inaccurate on a point I will argue it, in a pleasant/ cheeky way, not a nasty way, but they can't stand it!! It's like they perceive it to be a threat to their ego. I find this is a bit of a barrier to communication as I love debate and I wish they could engage in it in a clever way. Some do, with cheeky banter, and I get off on that.
I am looking more to my father for guidance and building a good relationship with him and I wonder whether this is a feature of Pluto in Capricorn?
Also going through a Pluto square, the midpoint of which I have just passed.

Would be grateful if any of you guys could shed any light. Are the mid to late 30s traditionally rather a fallow era?

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posted February 04, 2011 08:37 AM            

I am still learning so, it is difficult for me to see overall picture of a chart as yet. but you mention something about wanting to talk, bantering and confronting. i forgot your words. It seems to me that ur mercury in aries (very straighforward to communicate) in opposition to pluto in 8th give u a need to go in depth without fear about any issues. but you also can come accross as a threat given that people may not want to go in depth. they may be afraid to get into conflict, something you may not be afraid of. on the other hand, you may be difficult to contradict and you may have a sharp tongue for the taste of less plutonian people. remember your pluto in 1st make you come across as powerful and for some people threating or misterious.

your venus conjunct jupiter. this is suppose to be a fortunate aspect. you are generous, but sometimes jupiter give you exagerate the other planet and may give u a overly need to be loved and accepted.

for me venus conjunct moon should give u a good rapport with women, specially a moon in piscis. I believe is not the piscean thing what keep people at bay, but more the mars-pluto thing (aries sun-mercury) oppose pluto.

posted February 08, 2011 08:43 AM            

Curious about the Venus/ Jupiter stuff apparently making relationships with women good, by and large I don't really get on with them and never have. I wondered whether this sprung from bad experiences in childhood, but it appears to me that a lot of women in the circles I move in are bitchy point blank. Put it this way: my male friends phone me and keep in contact. My female "friends" NEVER phone me or contact me (and at least two have admitted they do this on purpose, to EVERYONE - they both have Venus in Scorpio BTW). So what does this say to you?

I do feel pulled in several different directions personality-wise, although Aries are not all as "simple" and basic as we might seem from the astrological description and from the simpler variety of Aries; we are one of the hardest sunsigns to "guess" at a party, for a start. I will say that my basic Aries personality is coloured heavily by Pisces (not that that's necessarily a bad thing) and Gemini, and of course you have the added Virgo Asc in there making me neurotic, up to a point.
I don't like the conglomeration of planets in my 6th House. This suggests somehow that my needs are sabotaged through having to deal with the needs of others and this has been a theme throughout my life. What I am trying to do currently is to break away from having to deal with others' problems, which means, to a degree, everything being all about *me* and no close relationships of any kind. I am called selfish by some but that is largely a question of the pot calling the kettle black and if they knew the full story they would see that I had bent over backwards to help various people who gave me no thanks and in fact just gave me abuse back. I am done with helping people as they need to be worth helping, and the ones that are worth helping are usually able to help themselves. What I need to work on is helping myself, and applying some measure of self-care and self-indulgence, which I can happily say I do quite well.

posted February 16, 2011 06:33 PM            

I get a lot of ignoring behaviour from couples. Say I email the guys in this social group I go to - a lot of them are couples, and I can understand the husband not getting back to me, but even the wives (whom you would expect to respond) don't respond.

I'm beginning to find it f-king rude. Like I said, I try to keep a positive spin and stand up and be counted and not care what anyone thinks, but it's really getting to me. I try to think "oh they are just humans, they are just dust, it doesn't matter in the long run of things because that is WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK IN ORDER TO HAVE POWER OVER YOU". I think there is an element of that in there. Pathetic.

Appreciate if anyone could give some help with this. Chart at top of topic.

posted February 16, 2011 07:54 PM            

I have a feeling it's your Venus (and Moon) & Mars (Saturn) in squaring signs.
This can indicate problems with both men and women.. socially.

Venus shows what we like socially... You may have problems socialising with men (since Mars represents men). Perhaps you only see the negatives and it's difficult to focus on anything positive...
Maybe you give off a critical vibe - so they simply behave as subconsciously expected by you - to behave.

Mars has more weight in your chart, since you are an Aries.. You can easily become angry with anything feminine... female standards of social behaviour, the dating game, marriage (all of the things that are related to Venus). And maybe even *actual* women in your life.

In order to escape the influence of this square... It might be helpful to cut down on the tension by -- being less emotional about it.
Try to look at these people from a detached perspective.. If they notice you - they do.. If they do not - then they don't..
If they behave the way you want them to - then great.. If they do not - then move right along.

I think you are too emotionally invested in this.
It's likely also - that you only pick up on the negatives.

You said..

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I am out and about going out and meeting people in real life!!

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Then appreciate those people.. I'm sure you have friends and people who do give you attention.
Why get so hung up on those who don't?

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I'm not sure if this advice can work for you, because I don't know your line of work... but, you said:

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Why am I ignored a lot of the time - in my career

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posted February 16, 2011 09:32 PM            

Your sensitivity, I would put to your chart ruler Mercury in Aries in the 8th opp Pluto in the 1st. So I believe that you can read undercurrents fairly well, but you likely don't feel that you're 'in' the current of life. What I can say is that it is a good aspect for research (Mercury, Pluto, Virgo, h8) and for ferreting out secrets from others, a psychologist/detective type. Maybe you come across as a lil intrusive, not focusing on lighter easier topics, or maybe people can just read that you're not a light airy person, so most won't be drawn to you.

The Moon/Venus in the 6th can have low self worth and feel down on themselves, but the thing is they just perceive themselves inaccurately.

All I can say, is that it's entirely possible that you're pursuing people and goals that are not in your best interest.
Because if you were on your right path, then things would be flowing a bit easier for you.

posted February 17, 2011 04:37 AM            

I do wonder whether it's a singles vs. couples problem, because I am the only single person in my social groups. I was talking to another single friend about it last night - we both agreed it's pathetic, if that is indeed what it is!! Almost as if the other women perceive me as a threat to their relationships and the husbands don't dare to talk to me properly in case the wife gets funny. It's all very odd.

posted February 17, 2011 06:14 PM            

As an Aries Sun, you need thrills. Your work needs to seem noble, brave, pure, and risky to you. You have so much fiery energy that needs to be directed toward heroism...if you try to live a humdrum life, you'll just get all tetchy and pricky and b*tchy and resentful and unpleasant.

Also 1st house Pluto can be intense and come on too strong--it can make you charismatic to people who like intense energy. My 1st house Pluto friend (who is an actor) had terrible problems with this before he was successful...people at the mediocre jobs he took to pay the bills would just HATE him and feel really threatened by him. But now working with other people in theater who are following their dreams and not "settling" in their lives and careers, he is very valued.

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I feel that adult life is just like school - full of people who spend their lives being scared to do this or scared to do that (i.e. socialize properly, discover WHO they are) - you can see them visibly entrapped in this social shell of their own making, not daring to do anything which might make them be perceived as "abnormal".

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As soon as I stopped "settling" in my career, I stopped running into as many people who live in this lame way.

If you have a boring office job, you meet a lot of boring office workers who think it's okay to do boring office work. If you're a professional actor, you meet a lot of people who love theater. If you're a race car driver, you meet lots of other race car drivers.