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Topic: Scorpio----Are you Loved OR Hated?
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Aya_and_baby
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From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 27, 2011 01:18 PM
  
Well, most of you guys will already know that I'm a Scorpio sun, but my sun is in 12th and conjunct Saturn... I also have Scorpio Pluto, but as that is a generational planet, I don't really pay too much personal attention to Pluto's position in Scorpio. (It's position in 11th says a lot more about me  )
And... I'm either loved or liked, or just not noticed. I can honestly count the amount of people who hate me on one hand and there would still be room for more haters. I'm probably disliked here and there as well, but how people feel about me is often not a black-and-white affair 
I might just be an exception to the rule, or perhaps the rule is for Scorpio rising, not Scorpio sun  ------------------
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Coffee
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posted February 27, 2011 03:31 PM
I have 1st ruler Uranus placed in Scorpio. I am loved and hated both equally. I guess the hate is really love disguised at hate.From what I have read on the basic personality traits of a Scorpio is black and white thinking. Either like or dislike, like marmite apparently. How I hate that phrase. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted February 27, 2011 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
I have 1st ruler Uranus placed in Scorpio. I am loved and hated both equally. I guess the hate is really love disguised at hate.From what I have read on the basic personality traits of a Scorpio is black and white thinking. Either like or dislike, like marmite apparently. How I hate that phrase.
yes, scorpio is all about extremes...so, i guess you could say we are very black and white about things....and i wouldnt say that hate is love disguised as hate, i call it jealousy ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 27, 2011 03:58 PM
I ,and everyone,is put on this earth to be an expression of themselves and to find God,imo.
I have my own note to sound,as we all do.
Finding that note and singing it is my task.
If I am hated for that note ,so be it.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 27, 2011 04:15 PM
I think you must fail,look bad,look stupid and be embarrassed in order to learn  ------------------
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Aya_and_baby
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posted February 27, 2011 04:48 PM
Ami: absolutely right!No one has learned anything by doing everything by the book. I got that a lot when I was 18 and quit school to work, my mother always told me to learn from her mistakes, but I can honestly say now that I've learned more from making my own mistakes than from the knowledge that someone else has made that mistake before me... There was this quote I heard once, it said: "You only learn something when you do it wrong and learn how not to do it." ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 27, 2011 05:20 PM
Thanks Aya
I did NOT learn things ,before,cuz I was too afraid of making a mistake and not being perfect.
Recently,I have let my hair down.
I am learning . Once you learn by this kind of pain,you remember lolThanks for your response,Aya.It helped!! ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 27, 2011 06:52 PM
When I was learning these lessons at 14,it didn't seem as hard as it does now.
What are people's experiences with this?
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MyFavoriteWeapon
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From: Hell's armpit.
Registered: Feb 2011
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posted February 27, 2011 07:01 PM
When I got first started to get into astrology about 10 years ago I always found Scorpio and the 8th house to be the most interesting of all the signs/houses, maybe this was all due to my goth aesthetic at the time, but any personality that represents all things hidden can be very appealing to those that live on the fringes of society. My best guy friend is a Scorpio and so is my boyfriend, neither are big into astrology and have those great scientific minds, however both have asked me why Scorpios get such a bad rap, and I've always replied by saying that the 8th house represents everything not talked about in polite society. Death, rebirth, the occult, transformation through suffering, evolution, sexuality and the subconcious. Definitely not subjects you would easily discuss in a public setting, unless of course, you're me. 
I honestly can't say that I've ever had a negative experience with a scorpio, with the exception of one, who always acted like a spoiled brat, def a huge turn off. But for the most part I have found that below all the secrecy, aloofness and extremism, all the scorpios I have known were actually quite boring. Ok, ok, I know all the Scorpios on here are going to be ranting over the word "boring" but honestly, all my scorpio friends live by a strict schedule and follow a daily routine, they're also laid back in conversation and enjoy food almost as much as an earth sign. I have a theory that all the hooplah that goes into being a scorpio is really just a cover for how traditional they are. Now, this isnt to say that I don't have my suspicions. There are days I wonder what exactly my boyfriend "is doing." And if I found out tomorrow my super straight laced friend was actually the leader of a drug cartel, I cant say I would be surprised. I often think this duality is a matter of survival and not a representation of who they are as people. My boyfriend's motto is "do what you have to do." although he rarely ever reacts in a vengeful way and is actually quite hesitant to defend himself. There have been many times he has let things go, or turned the other cheek, situations where I would have been raving mad. That being said, I do have a gut feeling that he is willing to be "ugly" if need be. That the "do what you have to do" motto goes deeper than I am capable of understanding. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 27, 2011 07:11 PM
Your post is brilliant,MFW.
You got the key I have been trying to access.
The Scorpio is called upon to look on ugliness because they SEE it.
I had such keen perception when I was a child.Then,I lost touch with my deepest self, the Scorpio one who KNEW.
I was afraid of ugliness after that,very afraid.
I thought I was bad for my own ugliness.I could not see other people's ugliness, anymore,just my own. A Scorpio who is confused on this subject is a troubled Scorpio. Thank you for your post!!!! ------------------
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Benedict Moon*
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From: Avendesora
Registered: May 2009
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posted February 27, 2011 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I feel the energy in you,Benedict,that you will be a very loyal friend.However,if you don't like someone they will know lol
I ,always,think of you when I think of Saturn in the 12th cuz we discussed it.
You said that it brings a sense of defeatism to things before they even start,if I have this right.
Saturn in the 12th may be one of the hardest 12th house placements.
The 12th house is hard no matter how you cut it.
Neptune in there is the only exception,I think.
I suppose life consists of finding our "fits" with people and jobs.
It could be honed down to "You got to find your weird-o" 
Saturn in the 12th is depressing because of 1) collective consciousness of the 12th plus the guilt of saturn = Existential guilt. 2) you're always wondering whether life has meaning, or if its just random. That's why even though I respect athiests as good Universal-Law people like everyone else, I find their philosophy completely depressing at times. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone in this thread, but those are my feelings.
12th house issues are personalized for me because Saturn is my chart ruler, so it isn't entirely a bad placement when you get past the doldrums of it. I like having my own inner world, though I wish my karma wasn't exponential compared to everyone else's. I guess Frida Kahlo (Another Cancer/12th houser) thought the same way....and look at what her twelfth house gave to us (Or look at 'What the water gave to her'. But that's not what this thread is about so I'll stop. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 27, 2011 08:45 PM
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MyFavoriteWeapon
Newflake Posts: 22
From: Hell's armpit.
Registered: Feb 2011
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posted February 27, 2011 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Your post is brilliant,MFW.
You got the key I have been trying to access.
The Scorpio is called upon to look on ugliness because they SEE it.
I had such keen perception when I was a child.Then,I lost touch with my deepest self, the Scorpio one who KNEW.
I was afraid of ugliness after that,very afraid.
I thought I was bad for my own ugliness.I could not see other people's ugliness, anymore,just my own. A Scorpio who is confused on this subject is a troubled Scorpio. Thank you for your post!!!!
Thanks Ami! You said something interesting, I have noticed that amongst all the scorpios I have encountered, many of them were VERY aware of the motives of others, more so than the individual themselves. I'm a very logical person and therefore have a short fuse with people, mainly because I really want people to make sense, and of course no human could ever make sense. The scorpios in my life have really helped me to evolve by teaching me how the motives of others do make sense, to the person who is displaying the behavior. I see Scorpio as the natural observer, someone who absorbs a situation, a setting or a collective group and sums it down to its most basic form. I have often wondered if one reason Scorpios ignite fear in people is because of their ability to see through the B.S. I have noticed that Scorpios appreciate nothing more than people who are totally honest with themselves.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 27, 2011 09:06 PM
SCORPIOS CAN SEE THROUGH BS---Period End ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 27, 2011 09:06 PM
It is a very scary thing to SEE through BS when people are telling you "No, you did not see that, feel that etc"
You know you did.
That is Scorpio sight.
You see it. You know it.
If you don't trust it, you are in deep doo- doo and I mean deep lolIP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 27, 2011 09:16 PM
Pluto on the MC makes a strong Scorpio according to Lonake.
I feel like I am a strong Scorpio even with the Gem placements--Gem Sun, Mercury and Venus.
Scorpio is hard for me .Gem and Cancer are not.
That is prolly why feeling like I am a strong Scorpio is such a struggle and it is.
I am really struggling with this lol
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NickiG
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posted February 27, 2011 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
Ami: absolutely right!No one has learned anything by doing everything by the book. I got that a lot when I was 18 and quit school to work, my mother always told me to learn from [b]her mistakes, but I can honestly say now that I've learned more from making my own mistakes than from the knowledge that someone else has made that mistake before me... There was this quote I heard once, it said: "You only learn something when you do it wrong and learn how not to do it." [/B]
i beg to differ...i learned from my brothers and sisters mistakes of dropping out of school and getting pregnant too young, respectively ------------------
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nabokov2011
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From: Boston
Registered: Feb 2011
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posted February 28, 2011 03:59 AM
Talking about scorp extremity, this comic about scorp kinda made me laugh.
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Anglerfish
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posted February 28, 2011 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think you must fail,look bad,look stupid and be embarrassed in order to learn
I feel like that everyday. ------------------
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."- Friedrich Nietzsche. ASC 29 Scorpio...
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Ami Anne
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posted February 28, 2011 08:11 AM
Anglerfish  Well, if you feel like that,at least let it count for good.
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Ami Anne
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posted March 02, 2011 07:34 AM
The things I learn lol
You would think I would know them at this late date but I am dumb about the silliest things,it seems.
I didn't realize you had to be strong.
I thought if you were nice,it would be enough ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted March 02, 2011 07:40 AM
I AM basically strong but I thought it was bad.
I lot a lot of things about me were bad.
It is so weird to discover these things like I locked old granny up in the attic cuz I thought she was senile.
Then ,I dress her in ermine robes and bring her down lol------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted March 02, 2011 08:20 AM
Well, I used to be strong ,have good boundaries, be true to myself.
I lost it all in a soupy mess from which I could not come up and breathe air.
I SEE how people are mentally ill. They cannot help it.
I,always,had a part of me that would not let me get in to the hands of those jerks i.e. mental health professionals lolI knew that once I did,I was screwed ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted March 02, 2011 08:22 AM
Once I knew I was going down the tubes,I kept my mind pulled in.
I did not anyone to hurt it more than it was already i.e. some crazy mental health professional take me on some trip worse than where I was .------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted March 02, 2011 08:23 AM
Once my children could drive,I pulled in to my house.
I knew my thinking was not right but I had NO earthly idea how to get it better.
Mind you,I have tried many,many ,many shrinks in my life.
All made me worse.------------------
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