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Topic: Scorpio----Are you Loved OR Hated?
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 21, 2011 08:55 PM
  
I am a Scorpio Asc with Pluto on the MC.
As I come in to Scorpio which has been the LEAST expressed part of my chart,I find I am hated a great deal OR loved a great deal.
Nicki says this is the case for Scorpio's
What is your experience with this?------------------
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EverEvolvingSpirit
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From: A Place of Pure Love <3
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posted February 21, 2011 09:05 PM
True  My BFF is Scorpio sun. Everyone at her job thinks she's a biyach. But I know her well enough to know she's a pussy cat (Leo moon) That's the one listed in relationship on my fb, ami  IP: Logged |
NickiG
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From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
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posted February 21, 2011 09:07 PM
dang, you could have been describing me, marcy, lol------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 05:05 AM
As my Scorpio comes out,it is very weird. He is very blunt and real.
He tells it like it is.
My Cancer moon/Mars wants to be liked and does not like confrontation
My Gemini breezes over things.
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 05:07 AM
My Scorpio must tell the truth. It is very weird.' I can't regulate him right,it seems.He lashes out and then I feel horrible.
He makes mistakes .
I get this horrible feeling that the only way I am gonna learn is BY mistakes.
These mistakes usually carry a LOT of pain with them. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 05:10 AM
I lashed out at someone,yesterday.
I ,simply,lashed out when it was uncalled for.
Scorpio/Pluto has great power.
I turned this power inward cuz I was afraid of it.
I could not let my let shine with my mother cuz God knows what she would have done to me if I did not make myself small like some animal who rolls up in a ball  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 05:12 AM
Lonake said that Pluto conjunct an angle is the strongest Pluto.
I am glad I have it conjunct the MC cuz it seems easier than conjunct the ASC.
Am I right?
It seems too close to you when it is conjunct the ASC.
I would love to hear people's comments on this.
How does Pluto conjunct the ASC feel to you?------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 05:13 AM
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 05:18 AM
I guess what I am saying is that I am making a lot of mistakes as I learn to access Scorpio/Pluto.
Is there another way?
I have a funny feeling that there is not.
I,ONLY,learned how to get my new signature by losing my cool soo much.
My new signature reflects that I will not fight for foolish reasons.
I don't need to cuz I will kick in the groin before the fight ever happens.
(Watch me get in a fight now just cuz I said this  ) My point is that I learned this invaluable lesson by failing.
Someone tell me,IS THAT HOW WE LEARN OUR LESSONS?
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 05:29 AM
I think the key is you have to be able to screw up without thinking YOU are a screw up.------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 08:03 AM
This is my dilemma.I see myself as a failure. It is a mind set.
No matter what accomplishments I have,I feel I am a failure .
Everything around me screams "Failure"
I know that this is a "mind set"
As I DO screw up by making real mistakes, I see that this mind set is false.
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Lyra
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posted February 22, 2011 08:19 AM
I hate certain individual Scorps but I don't hate the sign. These are guys who have very very good points and very very bad. Sometimes I really gel with them and at other times I can't stand them. But I do find this with a lot of people I know, not just Scorps. I have Pluto in the 1st and to be honest I have no idea whether people love me or hate me as they don't spell it out LOL...vibes aren't everything... IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 09:52 AM
When I was a child, I was very perceptive.I could see through to the core of things like a laser beam.
I trusted it.I did not know why other people could not see like *I* could but I trusted it.
My mother was an idiot. I read all the time trying to see other realities.
My sane life was in books. Then,I lost trust in the Scorpio/Pluto part of myself. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 22, 2011 09:57 AM
Now,I am accessing that Pluto sight,again.It was buried.
I used it when I needed to,always.
It ,only, came out in times of great need,not on a daily accessible basis.
Now, I want it to be incorporated as a normal part of me as my Gemini placements are.
I have an easy natural use of them.
My Cancer moon is easily accessible ,too.
The Scorpio/Pluto parts seem scarier .
I suppose you must take a stand when you access these. These do not allow you to sit in the corner.
You will be loved or hated as the thread says.
That must be the dilemma that Scorpio presents.
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Benedict Moon*
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Registered: May 2009
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posted February 22, 2011 02:06 PM
This is usually the case for most plutonians. I was pretty oblivious to the way I affect other people until last weekend...LOL. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
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posted February 22, 2011 02:18 PM
pluto is the planet of nuclear power, transformations, and extremes...i am a scorpio and my pluto has one of the strongest placements in a chart, IMO..its in scorpio conjunct mars sextile venus, saturn and neptune in my 8th house...i am very scorpio but because of my strong gemini placements, i'm not as intense as other, more typical scorpios, but i'm just as passionate and fiercely loyal and i only surround myself with people who i like and who like me, that is just scorpio's nature...we take no BS and give no BS and because of that, that is why we either only have intense friends or intense enemies------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 03:00 PM
Yesterday,some peopleon FB were saying nasty stuff about me.
You know what?
I barely cared. Everyone does a little.
*I* gave love.*I* gave kindness.
If people hate me when *I* act upright, that is their problem.
I was surprised that I really did not care.------------------
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Glaucus
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From: Sacramento,California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2011 03:14 PM
I don't see myself as hated.
I see myself as loved which I believe that all of us are in some way. I believe that we are loved by God,the angels,and spirit guides as well as our relatives. Of course, we can be loved by people whose lives that we touched. If we give love, we will get love back. If we love ourselves, people will love us. Of course, I don't see myself as Scorpio even though I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio. I also have Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates Quaoar and Ixion in Scorpio which conjunct my Sun and trine my Moon. My South Eris Node (Geocentric,Heliocentric) is in Scorpio conjunct my Sun too. Therefore, my Scorpio ego is colored with the energy of Quaoar,Ixion, and the collective energy of Eris. I see myself as my whole entire chart which is just a snapshot of the heavens at a certain time and place that differs from other people which makes me different from everybody else in regards to the heavenly body positions in the natal chart. Seeing myself as Scorpio would be like seeing myself as Black. Both would be focusing only on a part of me and not all of me. I am more than just Scorpio,and I am more than just Black. I want to acknowledge all of myself. I want to be loved for all of myself. Loving me for being a Scorpio or being Black would not be truly loving me. It's not accepting me as my whole being. If a person hates me, that's not my problem.
That's the other person's problem. It could be a projection of their own hatred of their own selves. I am no Christian, but I find it interesting that in the Bible, Jesus said love your enemies. According to that, we are not supposed to hate anybody even people that hurt us or our loved ones. ------------------
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mochai
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From: Charon
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 22, 2011 05:14 PM
They compiled aspects of mindfulness (aspects of buddhism applied in a secular context) in various university studies looking for commonalities and then their corresponding emotional correlates. We can't say it's causal with correlates but they certainly lend themselves to being so as they frequently are. The correlate of non-reactance in averse situations was self compassion. Personally, I find self compassion to be a little fluffy, and I'm certain that seeing compassion for the other individual works wonders as well.To expand upon that, in Affective Neuroscience there is this theory of the happiness set-point. Usually it is genetic but it determines your predisposition to levels of happiness or depression. It was found to correspond to the levels of activity between the left anterior cingulate cortex and the right anterior cingulate cortex in the back middle of the prefrontal cortex (acc for short). Interestingly enough, the left acc is responsible for things like compassion, courage, security, and recognizing a conflict (conveniently the left prefrontal cortex is where you solve a conflict), while the right acc is anxiety and insecurity etc. In a search for what made people happy, they studied diverse groups of people however with a focus on Tibetan monks. Finally, they brough in this elderly monk affectionately known as the 'happy geshe' and had him do compassion meditation. They recorded levels before and after the meditation, and this monk was able to attaint he highest levels of activity in the left acc every recorded and I believe had the highest resting happiness set-point ever recorded. Adding another dimension to this, there is a story that I am particularly fond of. When the Chinese invaded Tibet, the Dalai Lama was able to escape, but his doctor, who was a very spiritual and holy man, was captured. For the next twenty years of his life he was subsequently tortured every day of his life, after which a sympathetic chinese soldier allowed him to escape. Upon his return, he was perfectly normal and non-traumatized and his hypothalamus that should have been shrunk via trauma was if anything, larger than average. He had the brain of a very healthy, happy man. When asked if he was ever afraid during his 20 years of torture he responded "Yes, I was. I was afraid I would lose my compassion for the Chinese people". For that reason, he never suffered. That's the approach I try to have with my scorpio south node. I'm not perfect, but I know it has helped me. IP: Logged |
persephone33
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posted February 22, 2011 05:35 PM
My north node is in Scorpio in the anaretic degree and my life has been surrounded by Scorpionic influences. I tend to attract Scorpio-like people and, while sometimes I feel like running away from them because they are so intense, I understand that part of my life lessons are learning to deal with the issues that surround Scorpio people: power struggles, leadership, emotional depth and complexities, secrets and fear. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted February 22, 2011 06:10 PM
I am in the process of a metamorphosis .
I am not as controlled. Hence, I lash out,more I apologize when I realize what I have done.
As I get more control of my power, I will be better able to deal with this.
It is a process.I think Scorpio personifies that you cannot live the unexamined life.
Gemini can skate over the surface. However, Scorpio makes you face the blood and core of your humanity.
It is not pretty .
I guess I wanted life to be pretty and it can't be.
The paradox is that once you face it ,it can.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 22, 2011 06:20 PM
Shindler was a man who had great power but chose to use it for good.
There is a scene where Ralph Fiennes is bullying someone to feel good about himself as bullies do.
All bullies are cowards.Shindler says that true power is where you CAN hurt someone but use your power NOT to.
That is a classic scene.
If I can find it on U tube,I will put it up.
That would be the most evolved of the Scorpio's. ------------------
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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 22, 2011 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
dang, you could have been describing me, marcy, lol
I dunno, why I like it this way I feel kinda special that she's sweet to me and mean to other IP: Logged |
mochai
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From: Charon
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 22, 2011 06:56 PM
Yeah, I know. I am in a process too. I'm not used to having so much anger. It's disconcerting. There's a lot that goes into my state (kundalini keeps running downwards due to my own negligence/apathy) and I'm seeing a lot of dark shadows etc. I do like scorpio's depth a lot. Sometimes it's sad being told so few people are like me. Of course, I'm not a scorpio. I can just feel it's influences. I think if a scorpio can learn in the core of their being that true power comes from love and not control, perhaps it wouldn't be so difficult. Very few people know that as well as they should here, and it's so hard with the density. I know scorpio is a very hard energy to deal with as I've obviously had problems with it in the past. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted February 22, 2011 07:23 PM
Steven Forrest pointed out that Scorpio is mainly about cathartic emotional release. According to Stephen Arroyo,
it's stability and security in the emotional and psychic realm. Scorpio is a fixed watersign that is traditionally ruled by Mars as water sign, it's sensitive,emotional,feeling-oriented but can be too sensitive,emotional,and caught up in feelings as a fixed sign, it's steadfast and about stability and security but can be stubborn traditionally ruled by Mars, it's passionate and assertive but can be aggressive and violent modernly ruled by Pluto, it's intense and transformative but can be obsessive,destructive
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