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newstar811
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posted March 30, 2011 09:23 AM
  
"How would a PVenus square NSun and a PVenus Trine NSun play out together... I guess, what factors do you look at to see which one will over play the other- the square or the trine?"These couples had these two aspects within 3 degrees:
Bruce Paltrow and Blythe Danner in 1970
Helena Bonham-Carter and Tim Burton in 2001 These couples had similar but not exactly the same combination inside 2 degrees:
Arlene Dahl and Lex Barker in 1951
Franco Nero and Vanessa Redgrave in 1967
Betty Grable and Artie Shaw in 1940
Susan Sarandon and Chris Sarandon in 1968 They play out as individual dynamics of the situation...Sun and Venus combine as negotiator/compromise facilities in relationships. Squares force issues where trines enable situations. Naturally in human relationships squares are less popular because they tend to involve some kind of inconvenience (separation is usually but not always inconvenient), trines tend to facilitate the compromise. If you look at Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles scenario you'll see a perfect example of how squares and trines play out over time...its perhaps easier to see a square then a trine (separation and reconnection) than a trine then a square (connection then separation) because the latter is more common. In the case you quote, I think the trine has won already because a relationship has happened. The square will probably make the couple work and compromise and thats how relationships work so it will most likely be a positive situation. Squares are often judged very helpful in the longer term while they can be a bit uncomfortable or awkward in the short term. IP: Logged |
newstar811
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posted March 30, 2011 09:43 AM
"have you found that composite charts or progressed composite charts come into play with the Sun/Venus in terms of timing?"I haven't done much experimentation with progressed composites. I've done a great deal with progressed synastry. They are very different fields. I'll try and explain my viewpoint. Get ready... Progressed synastry tells us a story about the changing inner viewpoint of individuals and how that matches, melds and conflicts with other people (which results in attraction, ambivalence or repulsion). Composites tell the story of the quality of a relationship. We presume that progressed composites can tell the story of the changing quality of a relationship, but we have no evidence that they can so far. While I will never rule anything out in astrology I do think its important to make a distinction between a chart that never existed and one that did. We have several threads to look at to gain perspective here, but we'll start with progressions versus directions. The difference is that a progressed chart is a real chart and a directed chart (like a solar arc chart) never existed in the history of the solar system. When we refer to composites we are usually referring to a chart that never existed in space - that's because its a chart where every synastry arc midpoint is calculated and a chart created - its a midpoint chart. There are two other types of composite one of which is much more respected - the Davison composite is a chart for the midpoint in time and space between the births of two people - this chart is real (it actually existed half way between two people's births) and IMHO more likely to be progressed with some accuracy (if relationship charts are valid). The Davison chart is at least a real chart and you can only progress real charts. The idea that you progress a chart which was never real in the first place is of course impossible. So we must be either creating a composite of two progressed charts or progressing a Davison chart. The former is mixing up the symbolic with actual and the latter is possibly not that popular (I'm not sure). So I think it depends on what you're progressing.
There's a deeper issue here that is probably an idea which may grow and that is that we have spent many, many centuries without any concrete objective astrology - astrology that works in an objective way - that we have possibly developed a purely subjective interpretation of astrology because that was the only way to go. I'm not saying that composites are invalid, I'm just saying that if progressed synastry, for example, is objectively valid then when we compare it to anything else we should see if that is valid in the same way. (I have noticed that people use asteroids these days much more than in the past. This could be for one of two reasons - either the asteroids allow the astrologer to see their subject in greater detail - or - the astrologer can't find an answer they want and so fill the chart up until an answer is forthcoming and statistically if you have a superchart full of symbols at least one will fit the bill eventually. This is a subjective validation of astrology - you find the answer that suits you). Perhaps this is the way we have learned astrology because there was no objectively valid astrology. But like I've said before what happens when and if we find a way to do astrology that is objectively valid (i.e. everyone can share approximately the same interpretation)? Does it mean that all astrology that is purely symbolic and subjective (i.e. Evolutionary astrology) is wrong? No it doesn't, but we probably shouldn't mix the two types (objective and subjective) up. I think mixing progressed synastry and composites is probably not something I would do unless I had some good reason to - or - I was progressing a Davison chart. I think its important to test what you do until you're reasonably certain it works...and if it doesn't be honest with yourself about it. If composites could be tested easily then we would probably have some consensus already and I don't think we have one. We would need to study them more than people seem to have done so far and to do that I think we can only measure and experiment with progressed composites if we have a good view of the changing qualities of a relationship so its a huge job to track and test those things in a big data sample. Its much easier to look at simple attraction and we did that with progressed synastry. So in answer to your question, probably the best things to say is that we can say something with a reasonable degree of confidence with progressed synastry, but we can say something different with a bit less confidence with the composite because we haven't figured out how to ask the right question about most things in astrology and composites are no exception.
If you're wondering if any of these issues may be resolved in the future its all down to investment. Perhaps if we can one day provide some kind of confidence in astrology (and I think its more likely with progressed synastry than anything else) then we may be able to fund the research required to establish the validity of composites and progressed composites. My own hunch is that Davisons and progressed Davisons are the way forward there.
I haven't mentioned Coalescent charts, but they're a third kind of composite invented by Laurence Grinnell which are harmonic composites. Reading a composite is like reading a natal chart, but a progressed synastry chart is more like reading transits to a natal chart one is a bit more "fluffy" than the other. Sorry for the long reply on this, to me its an important question.
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newstar811
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posted March 30, 2011 10:00 AM
"How does the pr sun conjunct pr venus play out? Does this have positive potential or potential for blockage?"Its probably the most popular connection so I guess the feelings it creates are what people want to buy into in relationships. Here's a list of couples who had it within 2 degrees when they got together:
George Harrison and Patti Boyd
Cary Grant and Dyan Cannon
Greer Garson and Richard Ney
Mark Harmon and Pam Dawber
George Bush and Barbara Bush
Omar Sharif and Faten Hamama
Duke of Windsor and Duchess of Windsor
Pier Angeli and Vic Damone
Judith Rawlins and Vic Damone
Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins
Andre Agassi and Steffi Graf
Jane Wyman and Lew Ayres
Kaija Keel-Olmos and James Olmos
Alfred Hitchcock and Alma Reville
Melissa GIlbert and Bruce Boxleitner
Edward Norton and Courtney Love
Milos Forman and Jana Brejchova
Dom Deluise and Carol Deluise
Ellen Barkin and Gabriel Byrne
Christy Turlington and Edward Burns
Maiwen Le Besco and Luc Besson
Robert Montgomery and Elizabeth Allen
Romy Schneider and Alain Delon
James Cameron and Linda Hamilton
Mickey Rourke and Carre Otis
Jemima Goldsmith and Imran Khan
Brooke Hayward and Dennis Hopper
Lupe Velez and Johnny Weissmuller
Rip Torn and Anne Wedgeworth
Judy Garland and Tyrone Power
Linda Darnell and J Peverall Marley
Gloria Vanderbilt and Pat DeCicco
Joan Collins and Maxwell Reed
Paulina Poriskova and Ric Ocasek
Ty Hardin and Andra Martin
Nicoletta Mantovani and Luciano Pavarotti
William Masters and Virginia Johnson
Vanessa Redgrave and Timothy Dalton
William Marshall and Micheline Presle
Shane Richie and Colleen Nolan
Nelson Rockefeller and Happy Rockefeller
Merle Oberon and George Brent
Ann Sheridan and Edward Norris
Merle Oberon and Turhan Bey By the way, there are 44 couples here in the sample they came from we would have expected 29. IP: Logged |
newstar811
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posted March 30, 2011 10:35 AM
"In one synastry, the couple doesn't have many long term binding factors, but the progressions are pretty profound and long lasting. (I calculated 12 years of ongoing within 3 degrees.) Person A has progressed Mars/Venus at 0 degrees and 2 degrees applying to person B's natal moon AND progressed Sun/Moon 2 and 3 degrees applying to person B's natal Venus. Some heavy action.In the second case, natal synastry is great...natal mars/venus trine within 1 degree and a lot of other personal planet aspects, some beyond a 3 degree orb (sun conj ac/moon conj ac/venus mars conj etc). However, the progressions for the beginning are less favorable...Person A's progressed Sun square person B's progressed Moon, Person A's progressed Venus 3 degrees applying Person B's natal Venus (don't know if that counts), Person A's progressed AC conj person B's natal moon 0 degrees)" In the second example is that a pVenus nVenus conjunction? If so its probably the major factor to look at. Always works amazingly well in relationships, but doesn't tend to start them. Mars Venus trines are really useful, but even natal ones tend to fade (if you get my meaning). Sun Moon squares are OK as long as the gender roles are the right way around (and that is whatever their preference is not a stereotyping comment). If you are female and you want to be the provider and your male partner wants to be a househusband you need to get your sun moon aspect the right way around.
Sun Venus is well documented so I won't go on about it. IP: Logged |
newstar811
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posted March 30, 2011 10:50 AM
"In the individual's progressed chart is it a good indicator that love is on the horizon when the pr sun and venus are conjunct?"Yes. In the natal chart this could make someone attractive or sociable and in the progressed chart we find that aspects play out with greater volume or intensity so yes very probably in many cases.
"Does the Moon come into play also?.....It does seem well timed with the relational 7 year itch...."
The 7 year itch also maps well to the collision of certain Sun Venus and Venus Mars progressions. Burton and Taylor's Venus Mars opposition started to apply inside two degrees in 1962 and separated out of two degrees in 1969. They stayed together a little longer, but people do...we usually only see the evidence that a relationship has changed after a period of dissatisfaction and thats when the relationship ends. Occasionally relationships end when the going gets tough, but often its some time after. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted March 30, 2011 03:06 PM
I wish there were more large-scale studies of transits, progressions, and synastry!IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted March 30, 2011 05:22 PM
Thank you for the info Paul! IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted March 30, 2011 08:48 PM
One thing I have seen with my situation it's been triggered my Transit Jupiter. For example... when my PVenus was in orb to his NSun (square aspect) and TJupiter came along to trigger a beginning of our long-distance relationship. Soon (in April) TJupiter will be hitting our NSun Trine PVenus aspect... which I'll see if it triggers anything. So, If if does trigger something I going to start looking into Transits triggering these progressed synastry aspects... which, I guess we'll see. I love putting theories to the test in astrology. It's like a huge science project. lol IP: Logged |
EighthMoon
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posted April 01, 2011 09:31 PM
Thanks so much for all of the great info, Paul. It is a progressed Venus applying towards a natal Venus. I didn't realize that a Venus/Venus combo could trigger a relationship.So, one more question (I'm lying, I could come up with many more  ) is can you clarify what planets/angles/aspects that you have found to be triggers? Venus/Sun
Venus/Mars
Venus/Venus
Sun/Moon and...? Trines, conjunctions, oppositions and squares only...correct? And...do conjunctions to angles such as the AC and DC work as triggers? Thanks again!  8th IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted April 02, 2011 10:43 AM
Thank you newstar. Its so interesting(((Couple in the US with good natal synastry get together in the 1980s in the calm between three progressed Venus squares which hit (collide) in 1981, 1986 and 1991. They manage to stay together for about 2 years from late 1983 then split for the first time in early 1986 just before the second square becomes exact. After a year when the second square has started to fade they get back together for two years and then split finally in 1988 when the third square is just inside two degrees. She gets married at a date in 1991 when the third square is exact. They do not speak for almost twenty years.
Nearly twenty years later a pVenus pVenus trine has formed (practially their first beneficial Venus progression) and they contact via Facebook and begin a relationship. A long-term pSun pVenus trine is following the Venus trine which will last for more than a dozen years.
So that's how break ups and reunions might pan out with progressions))))The man I cant get out of my head have very strong synastry and our sec PR are follow His PR venus trine my PR venus, 0-1 sep
His PR venus trine my PR venus conj N ASC and N Sun 0-1 sep..
His PR sun quinkunx my N venus, 0-1appl
My PR mars square his N mars,0-1 sep
My PR mars trine his N nept,0-1 sep His SA pluto conj his N venus
His SA pluto/N venus square my PR venus/N sun/N ASC. Interesting to see how the squares works out and make it difficult. Break off. I've in long time said that the life wont us be togheter. When our PR moon trigged our progressed aspect pattern we suddenly mets....and I pour with some more feelings....I who just think everything was over triggs back to him again  in my head. The PR square and combo PR trine looks like
brainwashing ...Or is it real  I wait and wish this PR soon will be over. Newstar. How do you see about Solar Arc? IP: Logged |
newstar811
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posted April 03, 2011 02:56 AM
"I didn't realize that a Venus/Venus combo could trigger a relationship."They're the most nice-feeling aspects that a couple can share (if you like romance). A couple with this connection is really in-step with each other. The trine particularly. It was a pVenus nVenus trine that demarcated the 3 years that were good in Charles and Diana's relationship (1981 to 1984). William and Kate have one too, but its extended by retrogradation until 2030.
Only problem is that both parties need to be coaxed to make a move with Venus Venus (Venus is passive). If its a conjunction in Taurus it may never get off the ground. "can you clarify what planets/angles/aspects that you have found to be triggers?" I thought I might find something with Quintiles, but not so far. The problem here is that in any sample you can have one over-arching connection that is very loud - Sun Venus trines, conjunction and opposition is very very loud, so to see what else is going on you have to remove all the relationships with one or more of these from the sample and look to see if anything is loud in the remaining sample (you basically remove the "noise" they make). What we find is that Sun Venus sextiles start to happen more often than expected and Sun Venus squares (which were below expected) come up to expected figures. Venus Mars conjunctions, trines and oppositions (but mainly trines) start to look important too (in fact in non-marriages pVenus trine pMars happens twice as often as expected suggesting it may be a sex connection).
Problem is then you have to remove all the "noise" again in order to see what else is going on and your sample starts to get smaller and smaller. So a better way is to look at Venus Venus relationships is from a qualitative point of view and thats what collision graphs allow us to do. If you look at some of the Venus Venus trines in the book and on the website you'll see lots that fit the facts of the relationship. Particularly the poets relationships in the book.
I don't include pMoon because its too hit or miss (even if you have a time of birth it can be wrong, so it wastes time unless you're certain, so I don't experiment with it). Asc Desc is the same. In individual cases you can look at angles and treat them like Mars and Venus, but times of birth are just too inaccurate to allow us to make experimental progress.
I don't do declinations either much, they require much more closeness to exact, than say a conjunction, for them to be relevant.
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EighthMoon
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posted April 03, 2011 08:30 AM
Great! And the orb is 3 and under or 2 and under?Also, please post a link for your website/book. Thanks a mil!
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newstar811
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posted April 03, 2011 08:49 AM
Depends on the relationship. I've seen relevance at 3 degrees and in one case a 7 degree orb looked possible, but usually its 2 degrees and under. The general rule is something like: "if you get together at one degree applying, you'll feel the difference at one degree separating; if you get together at 2 degrees applying you'll feel the difference at 2 degrees separating." www.positiveastrology.com will lead you to the book and the relevant articles and pages.IP: Logged |
newstar811
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posted April 03, 2011 10:20 AM
"Newstar. How do you see about Solar Arc?"Solar Arcs are directions and as such are not the same as progressions. Solar Arcs by all accounts are predictive triggers - like personalised transits. They don't relate to your personal psychological change the way that progressions do so don't necessarily work with relationships the way that progressions do. They may have relevance in relationships, but the SA chart is probably not the same as a dynamic birth chart. IP: Logged |
letram
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posted April 03, 2011 06:33 PM
looking at me and Savannah's synastry for the sake of this research and theory:in natal- natal synastry we have: Venus Opposite Venus (in aries and libra)
we have Sun opposite Sun (leo Aquarius)
interesting that her sun and venus planets are in fall signs opposed my dignified identical planets.
my Moon conjuncts her venus. her moon trines my venus out of sign. we have my mars quincunx her venus and her mars trine my sun.
in natal to natal we dont have Sun trine venus by aspect, but we both have venus in signs that trine eachothers suns by sign.
her mars is in a sign taht sextiles my venus by sign. now onto the progressions.. at the beginning of our relationship (we've been together for 1 year and 6 months) each of our P.Venus's trine eachothers Natal suns. and both p. venus's still opposed widely. my P. Venus sextiles her natal Mars. there are other aspects but since this is specifically about venus/venus, mars/venus and venus sun i will keep it to those. so progression we had each others progressed venus's trine each others Natal suns. we had eachothers progressed venus's in wide opposition. we had her natal mars sextile my progressed venus. currently, our progressed venus's a this date and point in time don't oppose eachoher no more (orb of 7 = wide) my progressed venus still tightly trines her Natal sun. her progressed Venus doesnt trine my natal sun anymore, wide (6 - 7 orb) her progressed venus is at 4 orb taurus, it is widely trining my mars (6 orb) and will continue to move into atighter trine.
interestingly besides those, we have these aspects
my progrssed mars opposite her Progressed Sun, square her Natal mars, Trine her P. Venus. will be squaring her P. moon soon. and my progressed mars trines her Natal moon. her natal moon will be trining my progressed sun over time in the nearer future. her progresssed sun in a further later future is slowly on its way to progressing into conjuncting my natal moon. her P. mars trines my natal mars and squares my natal Moon. other worthy notes - my progressed DSC conjunct her natal sun. her natal Venus trine my Natal ASC thing is though, it seems like no matter what, there will always be "aspects" in progression? atleast in ours, after her progressed venus for example finishes trining my natal mars, it will eventually trine my natal venus, it will square my natal asc before that. my progressed mars is on its way to opposing her natal venus, when that happens though her progrssed sun will conjunct her own natal venus, wonder what that means if were together, starzy? IP: Logged |
newstar811
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posted April 03, 2011 07:40 PM
"thing is though, it seems like no matter what, there will always be "aspects" in progression? atleast in ours, after her progressed venus for example finishes trining my natal mars, it will eventually trine my natal venus, it will square my natal asc before that. my progressed mars is on its way to opposing her natal venus" Yes, this is how dynamic astrology works. You're born with a natal chart full of potential, but then you change. Change happens, but if you just look at natal charts it doesn't in astrology does it? Key to most relationships is what happening when you get together because when that changes you often see it as a loss. Life is a chain of progressions and progressed synastry aspects with all the people in your life. It just happens that some are more popular than others at the outset of relationships. We can measure these aspects and experiment with them. Its harder (but not impossible) to experiment with the ones that develop during your relationship. "each of our P.Venus's trine eachothers Natal suns" This is the sort of thing I'd be looking for when looking at the 'relationship' indicators that bring a couple together. IP: Logged |
newstar811
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posted April 03, 2011 08:12 PM
If you have a personal progression like pSun conjunct pVenus at an appropriate time in your life, you often find your popularity or sociability rises. Its a time when you feel valued and valuable and if your current partner doesn't appear to value you highly enough, you end up looking for someone who does. IP: Logged |
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posted April 07, 2011 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by newstar811:
"I didn't realize that a Venus/Venus combo could trigger a relationship."They're the most nice-feeling aspects that a couple can share (if you like romance). A couple with this connection is really in-step with each other. The trine particularly. It was a pVenus nVenus trine that demarcated the 3 years that were good in Charles and Diana's relationship (1981 to 1984). William and Kate have one too, but its extended by retrogradation until 2030.
Only problem is that both parties need to be coaxed to make a move with Venus Venus (Venus is passive). If its a conjunction in Taurus it may never get off the ground. "can you clarify what planets/angles/aspects that you have found to be triggers?" I thought I might find something with Quintiles, but not so far. The problem here is that in any sample you can have one over-arching connection that is very loud - Sun Venus trines, conjunction and opposition is very very loud, so to see what else is going on you have to remove all the relationships with one or more of these from the sample and look to see if anything is loud in the remaining sample (you basically remove the "noise" they make). What we find is that Sun Venus sextiles start to happen more often than expected and Sun Venus squares (which were below expected) come up to expected figures. Venus Mars conjunctions, trines and oppositions (but mainly trines) start to look important too (in fact in non-marriages pVenus trine pMars happens twice as often as expected suggesting it may be a sex connection).
Problem is then you have to remove all the "noise" again in order to see what else is going on and your sample starts to get smaller and smaller. So a better way is to look at Venus Venus relationships is from a qualitative point of view and thats what collision graphs allow us to do. If you look at some of the Venus Venus trines in the book and on the website you'll see lots that fit the facts of the relationship. Particularly the poets relationships in the book.
I don't include pMoon because its too hit or miss (even if you have a time of birth it can be wrong, so it wastes time unless you're certain, so I don't experiment with it). Asc Desc is the same. In individual cases you can look at angles and treat them like Mars and Venus, but times of birth are just too inaccurate to allow us to make experimental progress.
I don't do declinations either much, they require much more closeness to exact, than say a conjunction, for them to be relevant.
Hi Paul,
Could you expand more on quintiles? I read your thread on sun quintile venus on the other forum which is now decommisioned. Was looking for info on how quintiles and quincunxes might play out.
Regarding quintiles, what are your observations when the traditional angles (Natal or progressed trines and conjunctions and opppositions) are not present? Could we say quintiles are also one of the angles we should look at to demonstrate dynamic astrology and *can* make relationships happen?
Also, on yoru website, I noticed that quincunxes displayed a weird behaviour. for example, natal sun and prog. venus demonstrates a little higher than expected number (36 vs 34.79), while prog. Sun vs Natal Venus is significantly below par.
What I am trying to understand is to fine tune what you have already done. May be, progressed venus vs natal venus behaves differently while triggered, which ever the angle (trine, conjunction, opposition, or even a quincunx) is ?
But, quintile has got me intrigued and your thoughts on this matter are most valuable to me and the community.
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newstar811
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posted April 08, 2011 10:27 AM
Actually the quintile does occur at about the same level as the sextile in the reduced 2 degree sample (after we remove 2 degree Sun Venus trines, conj and opp) so it could be a relationship starter.
nsun_nven_quintile=47 nsun_pven_quintile=32 psun_nven_quintile=49 psun_pven_quintile=42
I was drawn to this aspect after I saw it in Richard Dawkins' and Lalla Ward's relationship. Its well documented that they met (and appear to have immediately hit it off) at Douglas Adams' birthday party in March 1992. They share a progressed Sun progressed Venus quintile which was exact in 1992. Here's a list of others with this aspect:Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall
Doris Day and Martin Melcher
Doris Day and George Weidler
Jessica Tandy and Hume Cronyn
Jamie Theakston and Joely Richardson
Chandra Levy and Gary Condit
Halle Berry and Eric Benet
Cecil B Demille and Constance Adams
Gary Oldman and Uma Thurman
Ian Holm and Penelope Wilton
Julia Roberts and Kiefer Sutherland
Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick
Lana Turner and Fernando Lamas
Lana Turner and Artie Shaw
Marla Maples and Donald Trump
Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis
Tom Mix and Victoria Forde
Princess Margaret and Peter Townsend
Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull
Callista Flockhart and Harrison Ford
Rita Hayworth and Aly Khan
Frederico Fellini and Guilietta Masina
Mai Zetterling and Tutte Lemkow
Richard Basehart and Valentina Cortese
Sam Jaffe and Bettye Ackerman
Fritz Lang and Thea von Harbou
Lana Turner and Johnny Stomponato
John Gilbert and Greta Garbo
Johnny Johnston and Kathryn Grayson
Howard Hughes and Marion Marsh
Lucia Bose and Luis Miguel Dominguin
Miriam Hopkins and Austin Parker
David Lean and Anne Todd
Bjorn Ulvaeus and Agnetha Faltskog
Oprah Winfrey and Stedman Graham
Bobby Darin and Sandra Dee
Federico Fachinetti and Ornella Muti
Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo
Henri Vidal and Michele Morgan
Rod Stewart and Marcy Hanson
John Drew Barrymore and Tuesday Weld
Merle Oberon and Leslie Hutchinson A clue here is that it occurs for some people more than once. This may mean they like its effect. The Quincunx: The below-expectation 150s you mention involve progressing Sun, which means that a high proportion the relationships which include pSun nVenus quincunxes also include a Sun Venus trine or opposition. PVenus moves a bit quicker than pSun, so the effect won't be exactly the same, but the 20 is accounted for by the missing trines and oppositions. Email me at the address on the bottom of the positive astrology blog page for more info on this. IP: Logged |
EighthMoon
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posted April 08, 2011 07:17 PM
Hi Paul,Would you mind clarifying a bit about natal connections when you have time? If a progression passes, does a couple need to have a connection within 2 degrees of one of the same planet combinations for a lasting relationship according to the research? For example, which, if any, of these natal connections be considered "glue?" Venus conjunct Venus 1 degree
Venus opposite Mars 4 degrees
Sun quincunx Venus 2 degrees
Sun square Moon 4 degrees
Sun trine Moon 7 degrees Thanks 8th IP: Logged |
newstar811
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posted April 10, 2011 07:47 PM
The close Venus Venus conjunction is the most important relationship aspect in this list although they are quite rare (all conjunctions happen half as often as trines, so even if they happen to a significant degree, they don't happen that often).
Natal synastry aspects are permanent and so can't be analysed qualitatively in the same way we can analyse a changing aspect, I get the impression however, that progressed aspects are much more intensely felt than natal aspects. I can't say that an exact natal aspect is equivalent to - say - a 2.5 degree progressed aspect, but it may be something of that order. I can't say that a natal aspect will glue a relationship more than a string of progressed aspects either. Synastry aspects appear to provide focused stimulus, but lack of an aspect may provide something which is also desireable to some (no overstimulation for example) and by turns even easy natal aspects may become an irritation to some couples after a while. IP: Logged |
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posted July 10, 2014 02:23 AM
 Can this be moved over to IA plzzz? IP: Logged |
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Can this be moved over to IA plzzz?
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