posted April 04, 2011 03:40 PM            

namely-
My Dejanira exactly conjunct his NN
in composite- Dejanira at IC opposite Pluto at MC

posted April 04, 2011 03:44 PM            

I will have to think about your questions.
Please check out my thread and see if you can help me.
Then,maybe I will be able to get some insight on this.
I am unclear about planets/asteroids on the NN.
I will bump my thread so you see .

posted April 04, 2011 04:58 PM            

So, the victim part of you(and we all have it lol) is going in the same direction as his life purpose.

In practical terms, your lessons in how NOT to be a victim are entwined with his lessons in how to express who HE is and why he is here on this earth.
How does that sound?

posted April 05, 2011 04:34 AM            

My insight,which I have had in my head ,before, but not my heart,is that if we do not own Nessus and Deja in OURSELVES, we will meet them from the outside.

We will call them to ourselves from other people.
We will call them ,again and again,until we own,fully, their own energy in us.

posted April 05, 2011 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by staborgi:
Sorry to hijack the thread but I've never really encountered Nessus or Dejanira in synastry and am curious now because I'm seeing some (maybe?) significant positions with someone who is important to me-

namely-
My Dejanira exactly conjunct his NN
in composite- Dejanira at IC opposite Pluto at MC

What do you think of these Ami? Appreciate your thoughts

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OK ,Star
Now that you and Lonake have helped me,I will venture a guess.
The part of you that is a victim,which wants to lie down in the face of abuse,is conjunct his life path/purpose.

I would say that HIS life path will involve you coming face to face with your own Deja.
Somehow,this relationship with highlight your Deja to you in living color.

How it will do it ,I do not know.

Can you comment on what I said? Does it seem right ?

posted April 05, 2011 10:52 AM            

In composite,Deja is conjunct the IC meaning that your relationship could have the tone of Deja in it.
Opposite Deja is Pluto.

This makes me conclude that your relationship will be going back from one pole to another.
It will be going towards Pluto which is primal energy and strength.
It will be pulled back to Deja as it's comfort place i.e.home base.
However,it's goal will be Pluto.
This seems like it could be good ,to me.
Other opinions are sought,as always lol

posted April 05, 2011 11:06 AM            

When you are with him, you and he will learn the lessons about leaving the Deja energy behind and striving to Pluto's power .

posted April 05, 2011 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by StelliumH6:
Ami, is Nessus square Venus at 1* as significant as Nessus conjunct Venus in a romantic relationship?

What does Dejanira conjunct Mars 0* represent in synastry?

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Conjunctions are the strongest ,Stellium.
Nessus conjunct Venus would be much stronger,I think.

Nessus conjunct Mars? I will have to think about that.
Which person is which?

Are you talking about synastry,in both cases?

Also,what do you have in your natal as far as Nessus and Deja, Stellium?

posted April 05, 2011 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Amphitrite:
The other moon aspects I have with her are:
Moon square Uranus
Moon opposite mars

I'm not sure what other asteroids to look at, do you have any recommendations?

I'm my natal I have:
Moon square Neptune
Moon sextile Venus

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OK,Amp, Does your moon square her Uranus?
Does your moon oppose her mars?
I assume that is what you meant.
Those are big OUCHIES for a mother/daugher relationship .
You might consider having IQ do a synastry of you and your mother.
That is where I began my Nessus/Deja journey.
His wisdom started me on a whole new life path.

I am gonna think some more on this and be back

posted April 05, 2011 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by staborgi:
So Dejanira is about feeling like a victim? Is it stagnant like "this is how I act when I feel victimized" or is evolving like "this is where I need to mature to not feel like a victim."?

It's kind of making sense to me...his Dejanira is also square my Sun exactly...and my Nessus is opposite his Dejanira (wide orb though- like 11 degrees). We have had some issues with blame game/victim stuff. I wonder about that composite aspect...seems harsh! But yeah I think you're onto something with the Deja/NN aspect for sure. That's kind of a potent place in our synastry because its also at my IC which is in Cancer. Now that I think about it...around my house growing up there was a lot of "victim" talk. Still is! Who's the victim in this situation, in LIFE in general...there was a lot of pouting in my family. He's kind of the opposite but almost to a detriment. Doesn't easily sympathize with people, is quick to concentrate on materialistic and security concerns...

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I am thinking about your question,here, Star.
What exactly is Deja energy is what you seem to be asking.
This is how I picture it.
You are being bullied and you stand there. You do not fight back.
You do not raise a hand to defend yourself.
You do not run away.
If you are even raped,you lie there .
You have no power in your own defense.

posted April 05, 2011 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Amphitrite:
Hey Ami

Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. No worries about before, I'm just happy for the gentle calm.

So from an early age I have recognized that my mother displays competitive and jealous behavioral pattens towards me. On many occasions she has gone behind my back in an attempt to ruin relationships between myself and other immediate family members. I cannot trust her because she has sold me out on many occasions. When I was younger and living at home she was always very volatile, angry, violent, unable to control herself. She would make me feel bad about myself, the way I looked, my behavior etc, I think
because she felt bad about herself. She was always just generally a very selfish person, not really thinking about anyone elses needs but her own. She would always choose any man over me as a child and def make sure I know it. At my age now I feel sorry for her, but I don't trust or respect her and can't spend too long with her or I start feeling physically ill. But despite all the crap I still feel bound to help her because after all these years she has just become a lonely old depressed woman. So I just wonder, how much does the moon Deja aspect play in all this (1 orb)?

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I think the Moon/Deja aspect shows your relationship with your mother as evidenced in your post.
You feel sorry for her. You see her as Deja,someone who has little strength in her own behalf.
Your heart(moon) is bonded to her but it is not from her strength.
She was not strong as a mother SHOULD be for the child.
She was the Deja,not the moon/mother.

Did you feel like you were the mother?

Does this fit,Amph?

posted April 05, 2011 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
Hi, girls! I have a Nessus-Dejanira conjunction with the guy I am currently interested in. It is exact. I am Nessus, he's Dejanira. I don't feel like the predator, but perhaps he might feel like the pray. Because my Nessus is part of a Grand Cross with Mars, Pluto, Saturn and Lilith, which all square or oppose his Dejanira, I can imagine he might feel that way. He has been going through a very bad time, just getting out of an ugly divorce and a very disappointing relationship after that. I think, in a way, he is projecting his anger and resentment towards women on me and my chart certainly makes it easier for him to get the impression that he must run for cover. He does like me genuinely (we also have an exact NN-Valentine conjunction, which is supposed to be *the* soulmate aspect) and I hope he will see, in time, I mean no harm to him and he can trust me.
Also his Sun squares my Dejanira, he brings out previously heartache to the front for me, as well, which is sometimes difficult to deal with. I can only hope we will become better than our aspects and manage to heal each other instead of causing more emotional damage.

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Hera
Please write out which are aspects in synastry and which are aspects in the composite.

Thank you

posted April 05, 2011 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
Hi, girls! I have a Nessus-Dejanira conjunction with the guy I am currently interested in. It is exact. I am Nessus, he's Dejanira. I don't feel like the predator, but perhaps he might feel like the pray. Because my Nessus is part of a Grand Cross with Mars, Pluto, Saturn and Lilith, which all square or oppose his Dejanira, I can imagine he might feel that way. He has been going through a very bad time, just getting out of an ugly divorce and a very disappointing relationship after that. I think, in a way, he is projecting his anger and resentment towards women on me and my chart certainly makes it easier for him to get the impression that he must run for cover. He does like me genuinely (we also have an exact NN-Valentine conjunction, which is supposed to be *the* soulmate aspect) and I hope he will see, in time, I mean no harm to him and he can trust me.
Also his Sun squares my Dejanira, he brings out previously heartache to the front for me, as well, which is sometimes difficult to deal with. I can only hope we will become better than our aspects and manage to heal each other instead of causing more emotional damage.

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Hera
Please write out which are aspects in synastry and which are aspects in the composite.

Thank you

posted April 06, 2011 11:19 AM            

I'm so sorry I haven't had a chance to respond to you yet, I have had some stuff come up. I will definitely get back to it soon though, and thanks again for your time