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Hey Ami
I have a question for you because I think you have researched Nessus and Dejanira quite extensively, and I was hoping you could give me some insight.

So I was wondering the difference between the type of energy and feeling between moon conjunct Nessus and moon conjunct Dejanira in synastry and how each person would feel it.

I have moon conjunct Dejanira with my mother, where I
am the moon, and I have moon conjunct Nessus with a guy, I am Nessus who has recently left my life after hurting me a great deal. Both of these conjunctions are within 2 degree orb. I guess I'm just trying to work out
how meaningful these aspects are and the role they play in these relationships.

I should also mention that My natal Nessus is conjunct my NN (1 degree orb), and natal Dejanira is conjunct neptune (2 degree orb).

Thank you for your time
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posted April 04, 2011 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear ((((Amph)))
I want to thank you for your kind words
,before. ( I cannot talk further about it on LL .If you care to talk to me, we can do it off LL on FB or by e mail)
I will think on your question about Nessus and Deja and come back.
I think we could find the best answers if *I* could ask you questions, one by one.
Are you willing for me to do that,Darling?

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posted April 04, 2011 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Amphitrite:
posted April 04, 2011 05:02 AM            
Hey Ami
I have a question for you because I think you have researched Nessus and Dejanira quite extensively, and I was hoping you could give me some insight.

So I was wondering the difference between the type of energy and feeling between moon conjunct Nessus and moon conjunct Dejanira in synastry and how each person would feel it.

I have moon conjunct Dejanira with my mother, where I
am the moon, and I have moon conjunct Nessus with a guy, I am Nessus who has recently left my life after hurting me a great deal. Both of these conjunctions are within 2 degree orb. I guess I'm just trying to work out
how meaningful these aspects are and the role they play in these relationships.

I should also mention that My natal Nessus is conjunct my NN (1 degree orb), and natal Dejanira is conjunct neptune (2 degree orb).

Thank you for your time
Amph


Ok--let me take this one by one.
YOUR moon conjuncts your Mom's Deja.
Let me ask you some things.
First of all,can you describe your relationship with your mother ,to me?
If you care to,write a few parargraphs. Talk from your deepest heart,only,not what you SHOULD feel.
Talk like a child(the moon) not like an adult.
How does she make you feel,at your deepest gut level?

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posted April 04, 2011 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Amphitrite:
posted April 04, 2011 05:02 AM            
Hey Ami
I have a question for you because I think you have researched Nessus and Dejanira quite extensively, and I was hoping you could give me some insight.

So I was wondering the difference between the type of energy and feeling between moon conjunct Nessus and moon conjunct Dejanira in synastry and how each person would feel it.

I have moon conjunct Dejanira with my mother, where I
am the moon, and I have moon conjunct Nessus with a guy, I am Nessus who has recently left my life after hurting me a great deal. Both of these conjunctions are within 2 degree orb. I guess I'm just trying to work out
how meaningful these aspects are and the role they play in these relationships.

I should also mention that My natal Nessus is conjunct my NN (1 degree orb), and natal Dejanira is conjunct neptune (2 degree orb).

Thank you for your time
Amph


You have Moon conjunct Nessus with a guy.You are the Nessus.
Did you ever talk about him on LL? I think I remember a wonderful astrologer did a few paragraphs on him.
He was kind of kinky lol
If so, he was a very complex individual and I could see how you could get hooked in lol

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posted April 04, 2011 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Back to the aspects with this man
Your Nessus conjunct his Moon

OK, I need to ask you to describe how he felt to YOU and how YOU felt with him.
Please, talk from your gut,your deepest place,not what you think you should say or feel
I will await your answers and we can try to figure it out from there.

One thing I do know is that if you can figure out these Nessus/Deja relationships, you can find your OWN deepest self.
They are gifts but one has to be very determined and brave to go in to the murky depths of Nessus /Deja.

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posted April 04, 2011 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Ami

Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. No worries about before, I'm just happy for the gentle calm.

So from an early age I have recognized that my mother displays competitive and jealous behavioral pattens towards me. On many occasions she has gone behind my back in an attempt to ruin relationships between myself and other immediate family members. I cannot trust her because she has sold me out on many occasions. When I was younger and living at home she was always very volatile, angry, violent, unable to control herself. She would make me feel bad about myself, the way I looked, my behavior etc, I think
because she felt bad about herself. She was always just generally a very selfish person, not really thinking about anyone elses needs but her own. She would always choose any man over me as a child and def make sure I know it. At my age now I feel sorry for her, but I don't trust or respect her and can't spend too long with her or I start feeling physically ill. But despite all the crap I still feel bound to help her because after all these years she has just become a lonely old depressed woman. So I just wonder, how much does the moon Deja aspect play in all this (1 orb)?

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posted April 04, 2011 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Amphitrite:
Hey Ami

Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. No worries about before, I'm just happy for the gentle calm.

So from an early age I have recognized that my mother displays competitive and jealous behavioral pattens towards me. On many occasions she has gone behind my back in an attempt to ruin relationships between myself and other immediate family members. I cannot trust her because she has sold me out on many occasions. When I was younger and living at home she was always very volatile, angry, violent, unable to control herself. She would make me feel bad about myself, the way I looked, my behavior etc, I think
because she felt bad about herself. She was always just generally a very selfish person, not really thinking about anyone elses needs but her own. She would always choose any man over me as a child and def make sure I know it. At my age now I feel sorry for her, but I don't trust or respect her and can't spend too long with her or I start feeling physically ill. But despite all the crap I still feel bound to help her because after all these years she has just become a lonely old depressed woman. So I just wonder, how much does the moon Deja aspect play in all this (1 orb)?


Sounds like my Mother,Amph.
Let me digress ,a minute,if I could, what OTHER moon aspects do you have with her,in synastry?
Include other asteroids,if you can,even though I am not familiar with many of the others.
I have a feeling there is some other asteroid(s) that play in here,too .

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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Also,dear Amph, What aspects does YOUR moon have,in the natal?

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posted April 04, 2011 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as the guy goes, to me I felt like when I was with him that he energized my spirit. Like I was home and he understood me. Like we connected on another unspoken level which we both recognized, but I think it made him uncomfortable. So he would keep pushing and pulling, because I dint think he could quite work it out. I think I had too much faith in him and chose to stay and get disappointed by his inability to commit way too many times. Ultimately i don't think he trusted me, and so he chose to walk away. But that relationship has had a profound affect on me, it has changed me. I'm still trying to work out how exactly, but I know I see things differently.

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posted April 04, 2011 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Amphitrite:
As far as the guy goes, to me I felt like when I was with him that he energized my spirit. Like I was home and he understood me. Like we connected on another unspoken level which we both recognized, but I think it made him uncomfortable. So he would keep pushing and pulling, because I dint think he could quite work it out. I think I had too much faith in him and chose to stay and get disappointed by his inability to commit way too many times. Ultimately i don't think he trusted me, and so he chose to walk away. But that relationship has had a profound affect on me, it has changed me. I'm still trying to work out how exactly, but I know I see things differently.

Amph,you TOTALLY describe a Nessus relationship,there.
*I* think it feels like home cuz HE feels like the abuse/pain you HAD and the tenderness/love/kindness you may have had but ALWAYS wanted,in your deepest heart.
Am I right?

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posted April 04, 2011 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other moon aspects I have with her are:
Moon square Uranus
Moon opposite mars

I'm not sure what other asteroids to look at, do you have any recommendations?

I'm my natal I have:
Moon square Neptune
Moon sextile Venus

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posted April 04, 2011 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So you think that describes a Nessus relationship? What do you think the differences are between how the moon feels it and how Nessus feels it? I definitely think there was some abuse/power cycle spinning around that relationship.

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posted April 04, 2011 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok
I am gonna be very honest,here. I will erase,anything and everything that makes you feel uncomfortable.
Nessus,by it's nature is THE most uncomfortable part of the human make-up,*I* think.
That is why IF we can mine it, we can be FREE of what shackles most humans for their entire lifetime

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posted April 04, 2011 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me say,Amph, that we ALL are the Nessus and we ALL are the Deja cuz they are in everyone's chart.

That being said,The Nessus feels the urge to be predatory to the moon.
*I* am the Nessus square someone's moon.*I* feel this urge.
I try not to act on it but I do,sometimes.
I do it much more than I want to,also.

It is the feeling that YOU are the predator and the other person is prey.

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posted April 04, 2011 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is an interesting insight and it does make sense in a way. I think I will ponder that for a bit. Are you saying it's all active on the Nessus part but passive on the moon part though?

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posted April 04, 2011 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well,if we isolate Nessus, we can look at Nessus energy ,ONLY.
That is the Nessus energy.
However, this is one aspect,only.
In the context of the whole relationship, there are countless aspects
In this ONE aspect, the Nessus feels that he wants the moon to be his prey.
If you ever watch horror movies where the worst part of human nature comes out, THE most selfish part, the part that says"I want it all to be mine,mine,mine"
That is Nessus. Nessus takes what it wants,regardless of the other person's feelings or desires.
Nessus in it's purist form is rape,pure abuse of the other with NO thought for the other.
That is why few people will look at their own Nessus.
IF YOU DON"T YOU FIND IT FROM THE OUTSIDE.
That is my conclusion

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posted April 04, 2011 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking about the Moon in the Moon/Nessus aspect you had with your guy.

HE feels quite a bit,too,equally as passionate and as drawn to you as you do to him.
If I had to describe his side of it,I would say this,you feel like all the abuse he ever had.
I know this sounds terrible but let me explain lol

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posted April 04, 2011 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We all have been abused.Some worse than others,of course.
However,we all have been shamed and wounded as children just from the fact that we live in an imperfect and hostile world.

In us,is a part that feels terrible about ourselves, deep shame and guilt.
It is a hidden and private part.
It does not come out in every day relationships,usually.
It does come out when someone's Nessus hits our Moon,Sun or Venus.

Then,we relive our past wounds.

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posted April 04, 2011 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To him,as the Moon, you feel like HIS past. You feel familiar.
You feel like home to him.


He can bond with you at a level he may not with another person. He can show you his deepest parts.
The Moon/Nessus does NOT mean there has to be actual abuse acted out.

It means it will bring the past pain,shame and abuse to the forefront to be seen,and ideally healed

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Hi, girls! I have a Nessus-Dejanira conjunction with the guy I am currently interested in. It is exact. I am Nessus, he's Dejanira. I don't feel like the predator, but perhaps he might feel like the pray. Because my Nessus is part of a Grand Cross with Mars, Pluto, Saturn and Lilith, which all square or oppose his Dejanira, I can imagine he might feel that way. He has been going through a very bad time, just getting out of an ugly divorce and a very disappointing relationship after that. I think, in a way, he is projecting his anger and resentment towards women on me and my chart certainly makes it easier for him to get the impression that he must run for cover. He does like me genuinely (we also have an exact NN-Valentine conjunction, which is supposed to be *the* soulmate aspect) and I hope he will see, in time, I mean no harm to him and he can trust me.
Also his Sun squares my Dejanira, he brings out previously heartache to the front for me, as well, which is sometimes difficult to deal with. I can only hope we will become better than our aspects and manage to heal each other instead of causing more emotional damage.

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posted April 04, 2011 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Hera

I see all of our discussions ,here,as just that---discussions.
We,each share our experiences,our theories and our conclusions which are subject to change,as well.
*I* am no expert.I just have myself as my own lab lol

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posted April 04, 2011 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same with me, hun. Glad to offer stories from experience if they can help.

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posted April 04, 2011 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this the man you were talking about before,Hera?

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posted April 04, 2011 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Hi, girls! I have a Nessus-Dejanira conjunction with the guy I am currently interested in. It is exact. I am Nessus, he's Dejanira. I don't feel like the predator, but perhaps he might feel like the pray. Because my Nessus is part of a Grand Cross with Mars, Pluto, Saturn and Lilith, which all square or oppose his Dejanira, I can imagine he might feel that way. He has been going through a very bad time, just getting out of an ugly divorce and a very disappointing relationship after that. I think, in a way, he is projecting his anger and resentment towards women on me and my chart certainly makes it easier for him to get the impression that he must run for cover. He does like me genuinely (we also have an exact NN-Valentine conjunction, which is supposed to be *the* soulmate aspect) and I hope he will see, in time, I mean no harm to him and he can trust me.
Also his Sun squares my Dejanira, he brings out previously heartache to the front for me, as well, which is sometimes difficult to deal with. I can only hope we will become better than our aspects and manage to heal each other instead of causing more emotional damage.

Well, this is how I look at Nessus/Deja relationships.
Nuclear power can be used for good or bad.
It is the same here lol

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posted April 04, 2011 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Nessus/Deja is AS nuclear as Pluto.
It is a different genre ,you could say but the primal power is the same,imo.

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