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bellesoul
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posted August 10, 2011 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Thx for responding kindly. No i dont have any libra but i have sun conjunct venus which can give "Libra" traits. I have heavenly JUpiter and also sagittarus and 9th house influence.

I tried to say that, for every action we do, actually we do it for ourselves. When you make sth good, people see you as a good person and acts kind to you or you will feel good or you create good karma etc.. but whatever the reason is, at the end it touches your own purposes and affects you. This is why all people who did good things go good things. Because they gain sth such as spiritual,religios,mood,material etc... So being loyal is about expectations from others and ALSO FROM YOURSELF. Today i dont know why i am so philosphical , normally i am carpe diem and a happy sag guy =)).


U seem very typically philosophically saggy haha!!

U have been readin ur linda goodman stuff.. 'if u r good/ do good u will get good back spiritually etc..' i do agree with this and try to think like this but in reality you see so many ppl doing good/ working hard who suffer and get the most atrocious things happen to them and the most evil who most prob do no good get everything(im generally speaking, but could think of a few examples)It could be to do with karma and we all have different life lessons to learn so really we shouldn't pay attention to what appears to be happening on the surface as i do believe in what goes around comes around.

I have heard about that too before that everything we do we do for ourselves, which makes us sound very selfish but this can be seen in a good light like i think you've explained.

do you mean, being loyal is about expectations from yourself, that basically you wouldn't want it done to yourself so in expressing loyalty you are depicting you don't want it done to urself..

Some of what you've explained is clear and seems very insightful but to read comes across as slightly confusing, dont mean this offensively.. think you just have lots of ideas and lots to say and express.

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mintgirl123
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posted August 10, 2011 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm an aries rising, virgo sun, libra moon, mercury and venus and virgo mars.

The only person I ever fell for (very damn hard too) was a cancer sun, scorpy moon, venus and merc in gem. It took me ages to open up and GOD. =( Just my luck that the only ONE guy I ever opened up to ends up being the one that took my heart and dropped it -smash- to the ground.
That betrayal effed me up really bad. And from this it's like wow, Gem mercurys can't help but lie and hide and twist the truth. Gem venuses? Sigh. And I thought he was an exception.
Also from this experience I've kinda decided to stay away from cancers (their infamous behaviour is NOT unfounded lol)

And it's hard for me to fall in love. So I'm going to make sure, I'll be more careful with who I open up to next time. (I'm still healing. Sigh. It's been a year since I ended things with him)

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posted August 10, 2011 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bellesoul:
I think i understand ur point. You make a good point. True love is about unconditional love. Elaborate further if you'd like, this is interesting. Just curious have you got any libra, or srong mercury/ jupiter in ur chart?



MY strongest planet by FAR is jupiter. I also have a pretty strong mercury and having a stellium in 7th house in Libra (moon, venus and merc) does makes me pretty libran lol. And I believe people throw around the word 'love' WAY too much these days. Real love is sacrificial, selfless and giving. It's unconditional and has faith.
It's not butterfly feelings in your stomach or being 'obsessed' with somebody. Love encompasses so much more.

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posted August 10, 2011 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bellesoul:
[b] I think i understand ur point. You make a good point. True love is about unconditional love. Elaborate further if you'd like, this is interesting. Just curious have you got any libra, or srong mercury/ jupiter in ur chart?



MY strongest planet by FAR is jupiter. I also have a pretty strong mercury and having a stellium in 7th house in Libra (moon, venus and merc) does makes me pretty libran lol. And I believe people throw around the word 'love' WAY too much these days. Real love is sacrificial, selfless and giving. It's unconditional and has faith.
It's not butterfly feelings in your stomach or being 'obsessed' with somebody. Love encompasses so much more.[/B][/QUOTE]


gosh, gosh, gosh so much to say back.. firstly.. wow i feel for you i really do and secondly i couldn't agree with you more about ppl throwin around the word love too easily.. it actually made me stop and shiver coz it sounded like me!! im gonna write another post underneath so i can look at ur posts clearly and respond...


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bellesoul
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posted August 10, 2011 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wanna say quick the three main factors in ur chart are the same as my partners, jus spin round the moon n sun, his sun bein libra, n moon virgo an same asc. How unusual. He has a lot of seventh house activity...

Gonna start with ur ex, i actually don't understand on an emotional level and can't personally relate to ppl who can so carelessly hurt another person especially when he obviously had feelings for u to be with u in the first place. Although, i do understand on an astrological level or what not why people operate how they do.. His mercury n venus being in gemini probably makes him think like and express love like a gemini.. which is a very risky business to be in as you've now discovered. Its a shame really because that is prob just the way he is and i would assume that he prob didn even see anythin wrong in what he did/was doing because that was jus the way he was?

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posted August 10, 2011 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mercury and venus and virgo mars: what do you mean. ur merc, venus are in aries/8th house?

Also, on ur ex.. his sun n moon are both water element and his merc n venus r both air so im assuimin he was quite instable, inconsistent, unreliable and contradictory.. i mean like inner nature could have felt in conflict. Im a sag sun n moon cancer and often feel in conflict with what i really want n need.

Also, when i found out a long time ago my moon was in cancer i must admit i was quite disappointed, havin always been a proud sag lol.. coz i'd never got along with cancerians(i found them to be manipulative, secretive and jus generally irritating lol)but when i read about their qualities i can relate to lots of it. What was not unfounded bout ur ex wi bein a cancer n all that if u dont mind me askin, jus curious on ur opinion on cancers.

Ur virgo, libra and aries was i bet verrry attracted to his gemini qualities, aries being two doors along, libra being fellow air and virgo being ruled my merc also. im assumin ur virgo was attracted to his cancer and scorpio bein two doors along and earth/water compatibility and aries i noticed is very attracted to scorps.

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posted August 10, 2011 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abcd efg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think also cancerians when they think so and so is their partner then they won't let go. They will have a grip like a crab and cllllliiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnngggggg. I have several crab acquiantances who are like that.

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posted August 10, 2011 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by abcd efg:
I think also cancerians when they think so and so is their partner then they won't let go. They will have a grip like a crab and cllllliiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnngggggg. I have several crab acquiantances who are like that.

Huh? what do you mean by the first bit 'i think also cancerians when they think so and so is their partners...'

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posted August 10, 2011 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bellesoul:
mercury and venus and virgo mars: what do you mean. ur merc, venus are in aries/8th house?

Also, on ur ex.. his sun n moon are both water element and his merc n venus r both air so im assuimin he was quite instable, inconsistent, unreliable and contradictory.. i mean like inner nature could have felt in conflict. Im a sag sun n moon cancer and often feel in conflict with what i really want n need.

Also, when i found out a long time ago my moon was in cancer i must admit i was quite disappointed, havin always been a proud sag lol.. coz i'd never got along with cancerians(i found them to be manipulative, secretive and jus generally irritating lol)but when i read about their qualities i can relate to lots of it. What was not unfounded bout ur ex wi bein a cancer n all that if u dont mind me askin, jus curious on ur opinion on cancers.

Ur virgo, libra and aries was i bet verrry attracted to his gemini qualities, aries being two doors along, libra being fellow air and virgo being ruled my merc also. im assumin ur virgo was attracted to his cancer and scorpio bein two doors along and earth/water compatibility and aries i noticed is very attracted to scorps.


No lol like I said, I have an aries rising, virgo sun, libra moon, mercury and venus and virgo mars (thus my stellium in the 7th house)

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posted August 10, 2011 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And yeah, he had an aries rising too =( so we had fantastic synastry. I was told by many that he was a soulmate (I felt it)

but anyway. Yeah the libra side of me was really attracted to that witty, intellectual, playfulness. Gah. I think I'll stick to leos and aquarius now =( Sags are good too <3

And up until three months ago, he was still denying things and contacting me all the time?
Yeah he was SO emotional, moody, secretive and manipulative (OMFG the mind games. My heads STILL spinning from them). He used to play the guilt card on me and emotionally abusive me. Oh and at the start int he first few like 5 months, he would always go MIA too. Haha cancers are infamous for that. The whole disappearing act. =/


I know he sounds horrible haha. But sth about him. =/ We had an incredible connection. I kinda knew the first moment we met that he was different.

Cancers have a hard time of letting go lol. I wish he'd just leave me alone. I'm actually glad he actually took my request for him to stop calling seriously. I had a new bf and I really wanted to respect him. Cos I could imagine it wouldn't be pleasant if my bf was constantly talking on the phone with his ex.

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Ami Anne
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posted August 10, 2011 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mert
You Saggies don't stay around long enough to cheat

I am very loyal .If it is too long I don't mind.
I learn if someone takes advantage of me.
I am still loyal the next time cuz I value it a lot.
It is one of those priceless things in life .Maybe I was betrayed so much by my parents that I value it more.
I don't care why.I am glad I am like this.
Cancer moon and Mars. Moon in the 8th house
Scorpio ASC and Pluto on the MC

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posted August 10, 2011 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think with saggys. They are hard to pin down and it takes them awhile to really 'settle' but when they decide to commit, they're really loyal.


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posted August 10, 2011 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
I think with saggys. They are hard to pin down and it takes them awhile to really 'settle' but when they decide to commit, they're really loyal.


thank youuuu. i'm like that.

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bellesoul
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posted August 10, 2011 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
And yeah, he had an aries rising too =( so we had fantastic synastry. I was told by many that he was a soulmate (I felt it)

but anyway. Yeah the libra side of me was really attracted to that witty, intellectual, playfulness. Gah. I think I'll stick to leos and aquarius now =( Sags are good too <3

And up until three months ago, he was still denying things and contacting me all the time?
Yeah he was SO emotional, moody, secretive and manipulative (OMFG the mind games. My heads STILL spinning from them). He used to play the guilt card on me and emotionally abusive me. Oh and at the start int he first few like 5 months, he would always go MIA too. Haha cancers are infamous for that. The whole disappearing act. =/


I know he sounds horrible haha. But sth about him. =/ We had an incredible connection. I kinda knew the first moment we met that he was different.

Cancers have a hard time of letting go lol. I wish he'd just leave me alone. I'm actually glad he actually took my request for him to stop calling seriously. I had a new bf and I really wanted to respect him. Cos I could imagine it wouldn't be pleasant if my bf was constantly talking on the phone with his ex.


I understand, its such a shame when you have an incredible connection that differences cant be overcome. Maybe in time he may change/ grow up and fate could bring you back together. Or maybe its a lesson to be learned. Have you had a synastry chart and analysis by a pro astrologer? The thing is it doesn't matter how much u compromise and put in if someone isn't willing to do the same there's no point coz ul be the one jus gettin hurt. My friend is a virgo sun, aries moon and she is in turmoil at the moment as her 'bf' is constanly messin her around, declares undyin love then cant spend a whole day with her and lies constantly but its the connection and the times they share that she can't let go of. Its really weird coz hes a libra and i know they can be hard to pin down but the lying constantly i don't associate with librans (the real ones) they're mostly far too honest for that.

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posted August 10, 2011 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bellesoul

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bellesoul
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posted August 10, 2011 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi Bellesoul

Hi Ami,

i responded to a post of yours before, don't think you've had the chance to look yet, the one about moon signs and friends i think.

Anyway, nice to speak with you... i remember the post coz u were saying u were cancer moon same as me

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posted August 10, 2011 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for abcd efg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bellesoul:
Huh? what do you mean by the first bit 'i think also cancerians when they think so and so is their partners...'

what i mean is once they have DECIDED (chosen whatever) on who their partner is...

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posted August 10, 2011 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im very loyal, Im assuming its all my leo, which also aspects Saturn... Not sure though..

I can only give my attention and devotion to one person at a time... IF Im seeing someone,and get interested in someone else, I will end the other relationship, so I can give my time and attention to who I want to...

But I am a Leo and have men that I communicate with regularly, but I dont consider my self as interested.. ITs just a friend thing.

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