posted April 21, 2011 12:54 PM            

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Bullying is all about control, which brings up Pluto themes. On the other hand, it is bad control, so I would suggest Taurus.

It's interesting that Venus rules both Taurus and Libra. Libra is said to be a 'bad' personality, while Aries is a 'good' personality. If you assume bullying can be Taurus, and bad personalities are Libra, I guess the Venus theme is more apparent for bullying.

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That seems rather arbitrary. I've never read about Libra having a bad personality (with everyone gushing about how charming they are), except for Linda Goodman, who has a personal vendetta against Libras. I mean, if you want to go by the traditional positive/negative, day/night, active/passive signs, Libra is a positive/day/active sign.

posted April 21, 2011 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic Melody:
Dejaneria is the victim... how interesting. I will have to look mine up some time. Yours is conjunct Pluto... so working with your Pluto. In what environment?(house) and what is the job (sign) your planet Pluto is performing in that environment? (with co-worker Dejaneria, also playing the same sign/job?)

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Yes,MM
My Pluto is conjunct the MC in the 10th house.
I am a Scorpio ASC.

posted April 21, 2011 02:45 PM            

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That seems rather arbitrary. I've never read about Libra having a bad personality (with everyone gushing about how charming they are), except for Linda Goodman, who has a personal vendetta against Libras. I mean, if you want to go by the traditional positive/negative, day/night, active/passive signs, Libra is a positive/day/active sign.

It's also equally hard to imagine the archetypal Venus representing bullies.

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posted April 21, 2011 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by letram:
coffee, why is venus/libra/taurus bad ?

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Cancel out Taurus from that and look at Libra.
Aries is good, and Libra is bad, the opposite sign. Aries is energy, Libra is no energy - A possible reason for the lazy description.

posted April 21, 2011 03:34 PM            

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Bullying is all about control, which brings up Pluto themes. On the other hand, it is bad control, so I would suggest Taurus.

It's interesting that Venus rules both Taurus and Libra. Libra is said to be a 'bad' personality, while Aries is a 'good' personality. If you assume bullying can be Taurus, and bad personalities are Libra, I guess the Venus theme is more apparent for bullying.

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That seems rather arbitrary. I've never read about Libra having a bad personality (with everyone gushing about how charming they are), except for Linda Goodman, who has a personal vendetta against Libras. I mean, if you want to go by the traditional positive/negative, day/night, active/passive signs, Libra is a positive/day/active sign.

It's also equally hard to imagine the archetypal Venus representing bullies.

posted April 21, 2011 03:46 PM            

and how is libra no energy? libra is plenty energy in mental form, aries might be plenty energy in action form.

energy..

posted April 21, 2011 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by letram:
coffee, i dont really see any merit to your conclusion, especially since the criteria seems to be "energy" why is aries "good"? since when does energy have a place in a subjective opinion of good or bad?

and how is libra no energy? libra is plenty energy in mental form, aries might be plenty energy in action form.

energy..

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posted April 21, 2011 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
a Rx Mars will do everything to stay out of it, they are non-confrontational.

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posted April 21, 2011 04:40 PM            

libra : behaves Arien from your shoes first, this is how they are "thoughtful" and ballance. because air signs do things from the other persons shoes. the difference between fire sign aries, and air sign libra, is that libra puts their state of mind in the other persons shoes, and figures out mentally how to be selfish as them (the aries) and they act accordingly to show thoughtfulness etc.

fire signs are selfish energy, they need to come first.

leo energy, leo will serve people like aquarius with equal generosity, but they have to be "in power" first, they need something selfish first, all fire needs to come first, maybe for leo, they need your friendship and loyalty first, or love and appreciation.

an aquarius does it from the opposite, they go about getting those things from the "air point of view" by being generous to anybody, and making friends. thats why they are so "humanitarian".

i havent fully understood (in my own air/fire theory) the gemini/sagittarius relationship, but i began to think of it as, Sagittarius wants to Know first, before it "teaches", gemini may study first, be "tought" first (getting the facts from people, the teachings, the lessons, the knowledge) and pass it on in writing (communication) still working on that one..

edit** i think i got a bit more for this one, i think with sagittarius, they want to "create" the knowledge first, travel and find it, the source of study, hence philosophy, travel. gemini might want to expand it, air/science/technology. communicate it. messages. .. sagittarius wants to craft its own knowledge, theories, philosophy, expansion new horizons, knowledge.
anyway. thats just my own understanding of astrology of fire/air oppositions.

the energy is equal, air signs come from it mentally, atleast. i don't see aries as energy and libra as no energy.

air signs Serve. they put the energy into the project, the fire signs start / initiate them.

posted April 21, 2011 06:39 PM            

In Libra, it is in the sign opposite its exaltation in Aries, therefore Libra Suns find it harder to express their will than Aries.

posted April 21, 2011 07:53 PM            

Pluto / scorpio will bully for control, not just saturn/capricorn.

i'v known venus in scorpio people to be bullying.

which makes alot of sense because it fits the theme with attracting with power/intensity, transformation, control.

look at actors like Denzel Washington, venus in scorpio, see Training Day.

posted April 21, 2011 07:55 PM            

am i the only scorpio stellium that hasnt bullied people? LOL

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Originally posted by NickiG:
am i the only scorpio stellium that hasnt bullied people? LOL

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One of my good friends has Sun, Moon, Merc rx, Venus, Pluto and ASC in Scorpio. She is not a bully at all.

I think Capricorn is FAR more horrible than Scorpio.

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One of my good friends has Sun, Moon, Merc rx, Venus, Pluto and ASC in Scorpio. She is not a bully at all.

I think Capricorn is FAR more horrible than Scorpio.

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i have scorpio sun, mars and pluto..i also have a capricorn stellium...venus, saturn, neptune, and uranus in cap, the first three in my 8th sextiling mars and pluto

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am i the only scorpio stellium that hasnt bullied people? LOL

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posted April 22, 2011 11:34 PM            

Yes, I wrote it. It’s basically an accumulation of all my thoughts and observations about the quincunx over the years. Not that all of the ideas came from me, however, as I’ve read up a lot on the quincunx from the material of other astrologers, and the essay I wrote was just the sum total of this info put together. It summarizes my final conclusions about the quincunx.

I have a really tight quincunx between my Cancer Moon and my Sagittarius Venus, and as a youngster I did experience some bullying in school and had a lot of issues with fitting in. I always did wonder where this showed in my chart, and thought that maybe it was just a combo of my Capricorn Sun and Cancer Moon causing me to be very reserved and shy. This didn’t make sense, however, as there are a lot of other Capricorn people that I know of who, even though they may be naturally reserved or shy, have not experienced bullying.

For a long time I didn’t even pay attention to quincunxes, as I didn’t understand much about them and wasn’t even sure if they ‘worked‘. Then one day I found an article on the internet about quincunxes in relation to struggling with self-doubt and everything just clicked into place in my mind. After that I started paying a lot more attention to quincunxes, and my understanding of them just grew from there.

In my case Venus in Sagittarius was the ruler of my Libra 11th house, so it made total sense that I had some issues fitting in socially. Fortunately, Venus was also trine my Saturn and opposite my Jupiter so even though I struggled with my quincunx to the moon(sometimes I’d feel so uncomfortable/anxious in social situations that I’d just clam up, or have trouble acting like my real self), Saturn helped me to be seen as a reliable friend, and Jupiter helped me to be seen as a likeable, positive sort of person.

Looking back at my life over time I’m able to see both the good and the bad side of the quincunx in my chart. Yes is has caused me to struggle with self doubt and confidence issues, especially in my younger years, but over time it had also inspired me to constantly learn and grow so that I can overcome my challenges. My Venus also rules my Taurus 6th house cusp, and there has always been something a little ‘off’ about my metabolism, causing me to often feel lethargic and tired even when I was young. These body issues of mine have inspired me to constantly look for remedies or cures with regard to ‘fixing’ myself, and as a result, over time I have accumulated a vast amount off knowledge on things like nutrition and alternative methods of medicine. I even have a collection of supplements that I keep in my bag at all times, and I always know which ones I need depending on what’s going on with my body that day. If it weren’t for my quincunx I may never have bothered to learn all of this.

Also, they say that Uranus, Aquarius, and the 11th house rule astrology. I strongly suspect that the quincunx I have to my 11th house ruler is at least partly responsible for my endless fascination with and passion for astrology. I constantly inspired to study it and learn more, especially in relation to understanding what motivates people (Venus is quincunx my Moon, which is my 8th house ruler).

In my opinion the quincunx is actually a very challenging aspect that inspires change, like a square or an opposition, only it is a lot more subtle, slow moving and ‘quiet’ then these more obvious hard aspects. The quincunx is like a constant niggling feeling that makes you want to constantly improve, understand and readjust…

SPECIFICLY ABOUT BULLYING…

Quincunxes have to do with painful experiences of not fitting in, or not belonging. This is why quincunxes can work to undermine your confidence at times, and is part of the reason why the quincunx that can make people with them prominent in their charts vulnerable to bullying, or intimidation. Especially if the person with the quincunx is still somewhat young and naive, and hasn’t yet learned how to appreciate and believe in themselves. Quincunxes are, Through, by no means the only factors in a chart that can indicate a vulnerability to bullying…

If I were to pin point the configurations most likely to be present in the charts of those that have the misfortune to experience bullying, I would say that they would involve challenging aspects (including quincunxes) from Saturn and Pluto to the personal planets. And that the bullying maybe especially violent or brutal if Mars is involved. Not that the other planets do not present their difficulties in this way as well…

Aspects involving the moon my indicate extreme emotional trauma, aspects to the sun could indicate some type of humiliation, aspects to mercury could indicate situations involving snide gossip, aspects to Venus could involve teasing or harassment regarding your attractiveness or apparent lack there of, and of course, aspects involving mars could imply actual physical abuse such as being beaten or inappropriate sexual touching…

Ironically through some of the aspects that could indicate being a victim of bullying or intimidation, could also indicate someone who is the perpetrator of such things as well. For example, Mars square Pluto could imply someone being a victim of some type of trauma, but it could also indicate someone with violent tendencies and a proneness to rage.

Also not all people who have aspects that could indicate being a victim or perpetrator of bullying actually do have this experience. The probability is there but aspects express themselves differently in different people so there is no guarantee…. Mars square Pluto could simply create a person who goes to extremes athletically, or someone who is overly interested in sex.

It is worth noting that when Pluto in Sagittarius made a transiting conjunction to my Venus and a quincunx to my moon, I had the experience of two different people having an inappropriate romantic obsession with me, literally one right after the other. Both situations were very uncomfortable. One of them would get frustrated and try to do mean little things to me because he knew I didn’t return his feelings, and the other one would just stare at me all the time to the point where it made me feel sickened…. Both of these situations were a test to my courage and internal strength…

STICKING UP FOR YOURSELF AND OTHERS

Mars, Uranus and Pluto strong in the chart tends to indicate people who don’t put up with any sh!t, or at least give off the vibe that they won’t, especially if they are in aspect to each other. Mars and Uranus in particular will stand up not only for themselves but will also champion those meeker then themselves. Uranus will do it because they abhor injustice and hypocrisy, and Mars because they often see themselves as the fighter or protector of others, and also tend to become enraged if you harm their loved ones.

Venus is good and avoiding conflict of all kinds, and although Venus does not have an aggressive energy at all, people with this planet strong do have a way of charming there way out of difficult situations.